Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

Gipper said:

It also isn't just about race. It's about culture. Mixed children are often excluded from both heritages. They lack an identity. You're spitting in the face of traditionalism in every aspect.

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How do you know this?

Gipper said:

Do you honestly believe that most cultures view children with 50% lineage on the same way as full-blooded members of their heritage? You think a mixed child will be as easily accepted at most dinner tables?

You can't afford to be this naive.

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Why won't they be accepted at most dinner tables?

Now if it's the KKK, it might be a problem. But who wants to be around such jerks anyway? Not me for sure.

TacticalEvilDan said:

I had no doubt that such a whackadoodle aversion exists, cloaked in Biblical verses. Cepheus said "lots." That's what I object to.

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It depends on how you define "lots". According to the graph on this page from a Pew Center survey, close to 20% of white evangelicals, 10% of white Catholics and about 15% of white mainline (I'm guessing this means Protestant?) Christians think interracial marriage is bad for society. That's not just a couple yahoos here and there.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/upload/2011/06/0624revisedchart.JPG

ETA: From the article: http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2011/06/opposition_to_i.html

Gipper said:

Do you honestly believe that most cultures view children with 50% lineage on the same way as full-blooded members of their heritage? You think a mixed child will be as easily accepted at most dinner tables?

You can't afford to be this naive.

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Yeah, well, aren't you in Alabama? Only saying that what passes for common sense around your parts isn't representative of anything I've experienced anywhere I've been.

MildSteel said:

Why won't they be accepted at most dinner tables?

Now if it's the KKK, it might be a problem. But who wants to be around such jerks anyway? Not me for sure.

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ROFL...yeah, it's just whites. That must get a good laugh at the Panther rally.

Blacks, Asians, Latinos...they're not at all like that. It's whites. Good one, "G".

Cardinal said:

Yeah, well, aren't you in Alabama? Only saying that what passes for common sense around your parts isn't representative of anything I've experienced anywhere I've been.

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29 years in Michigan doesn't get undone by 6 years in Alabama. Down here, interracial relationships aren't really all that common - at least not compared to up there. In addition, down here there is actually a good chunk of black women wanting white boyfriends/husbands. Looking at the men down here, I can't figure out why...but ah well.

People aren't openly critical of mixed race couples, but acceptance is generally with a nagging feeling that trouble is probably on the way.

It's fashionable on these sorts of threads where the Liberals all try to top each other's declarations of tolerance "Damn, I didn't even know people were different colors!" to pretend as if mixed race marriages are even more stable than non-mixed races, but they're not. If a particular identifiable culture does not have a history of marital stability, the societal pressures of a mixed marriage are going to increase those divorces exponentially.

It's always disappointing to be in a store and see a mother with a couple mixed race babies and no wedding ring or man in sight. It would be much better if those contemplating mixed race marriage would give much more thought to the future well being of any children.

Gipper said:

Do you honestly believe that most cultures view children with 50% lineage on the same way as full-blooded members of their heritage? You think a mixed child will be as easily accepted at most dinner tables?

You can't afford to be this naive.

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Obama seems to be doing okay on it.....but there again, I wouldn't know if he were race, mixed race, 50 per cent race. ..who with a brain cares?

Gipper said:

Intelligence. Logic. And a nice rack.

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What colour is that?

Are interracial couples acceptable?

Gipper said:

It also isn't just about race. It's about culture. Mixed children are often excluded from both heritages. They lack an identity. You're spitting in the face of traditionalism in every aspect.

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People are quite able to forge an identity independently of heritage. I know of a good number of people who have.

Heritage and tradition is far from important in discovering who you are.

My brother is white and his wife is from Jamaica. The kids are interracial and quite well socialized. I see them on Facebook all the time with a tin if friends all interacting quite normally.

I honestly don't think the dangers of a lack of heritage are all that real

Gipper said:

It also isn't just about race. It's about culture. Mixed children are often excluded from both heritages. They lack an identity. You're spitting in the face of traditionalism in every aspect.

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But they are usually accepted into African-American culture easier than other cultures. I think this is due to the history of Blacks. During slavery there were many mixed race babies born to slave women. These women usually loved and raised all thier children the same.

Viv said:

What colour is that?

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I'm open. I've never dated a black woman, but I've been with Asian and Latina women. If a woman has what I want, skin color doesn't blip on my radar.

Arcana XV said:

It depends on how you define "lots". According to the graph on this page from a Pew Center survey, close to 20% of white evangelicals, 10% of white Catholics and about 15% of white mainline (I'm guessing this means Protestant?) Christians think interracial marriage is bad for society. That's not just a couple yahoos here and there.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/upload/2011/06/0624revisedchart.JPG

ETA: From the article: Christianity Today Politics: Opposition to Interracial Marriage Lingers Among Evangelicals

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If any American politician won 80% of the vote, it would be considered a landslide, the second coming, a mandate.

20% doesn't qualify as "lots" in my book.

TacticalEvilDan said:

If any American politician won 80% of the vote, it would be considered a landslide, the second coming, a mandate.

20% doesn't qualify as "lots" in my book.

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Oké, then. Different definitions of "lots" it is.

CRUE CAB said:

I have mixed feelings about it, for reasons you probably don't understand. So please put me on your ignore list.

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Just because I disagree with something does not mean I do not understand it. Consider the possibility that you might be wrong.

SheWolf said:

I just thought I would ask. It seems some people here are not comfortable with interracial couples, and I was curious how common the attitude is..

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I have no problem with it at all. Unfortunately, the children of mixed race couples sometimes have to deal with not feeling total acceptance by their respective different families to one degree or another, but with adequate parenting to overcome that, it's do-able. It seems to be something that is gradually becoming a non-issue.

mak2 said:

I would guess a couple hundred years and race will pretty much be a thing of the past.

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Race won't be a thing of the past unless we institute a true liberal state where "wise liberals in government" totally control the mating choices of every single person on Earth and even then they can't control the output of the black box.

Do you really think there is some instictual preference for your own race? The world is a much smaller place and getting smaller every day, on this forum alone we have members all over the world. More people get to know others, the more we realzie ew are more alike than different. Racism is caused by ignorance of others and nothing else. Hopefully in the next couple hundred years all will realize that.

RiverDad said:

Race won't be a thing of the past unless we institute a true liberal state where "wise liberals in government" totally control the mating choices of every single person on Earth and even then they can't control the output of the black box.

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RiverDad said:

Race won't be a thing of the past unless we institute a true liberal state where "wise liberals in government" totally control the mating choices of every single person on Earth and even then they can't control the output of the black box.

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That isn't true at all. In the age of information and with high levels of mobility, racial mixing could easily eventually result in a relatively raceless world, except for maybe in the far reaches, where people still live in tribal closed communities. Of course, even if that happens, we will still find something to fight about.

earthworm said:

we are progressing...probably a lot faster than most on this orb.

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Anytime we make a claim about making progress we need to understand what scale we're using. Progressing towards what? The implicit scale here seems to be towards tolerance or towards realizing individual liberty.

What is not on that scale is marital stability. The most recent few 10 year cohorts of married people who have been studied show that interracial couples have a 50% greater divorce rate than same-race married couples. That too is progress if we are on the scale of trying to achieve high divorce rates.

tres borrachos said:

Consenting adults should be able to marry other consenting adults without explanation to anyone.

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Indeed. As individual liberty increases, community cohesion must decrease. There cannot exist community standards if every standard is only subject to individual preference. This conflict is one about balance. If you say that the expression of individual liberty in marriage need never be explained to anyone, then this damages community cohesion.

Secondly you imposed a condition that you prefer onto strangers, that of consenting adult. That's you, an outsider, imposing a condition which limits individual liberty. This is no different than other strangers imposing an in-marriage rule on people. For instance we could devise the following scenario, to remain a Jew every Jew must marry within the religion. If a Jew marries outside of the religion, then they are cast out of the community. This is no different than a ban on interracial marriages.

mak2 said:

Do you really think there is some instictual preference for your own race?

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Of course there is. We can derive this from a number of methods. Let me go through one method.

We start by looking at families. Is there a difference between how a father treats his own child compared to how he treats a step-child? Is that parental bond something that can be taught or be imposed by willful action or is there something inborn going on? The violence and murder rate against step children is astronomically higher than it is against biological children. So even with blended families which have every incentive to become one family, we see that wishing doesn't always translate into dreams coming true.

Step away from your immediate family. If we compare willingness to provide aid between a scenario where a cousin is in need to a total stranger, we see the cousin winning out. Extend the family relationship even further and while the effect diminishes we still see a greater bond than that felt towards a total stranger. Extend the family relationship even further and most people no longer even recognize a bond of kinship but they do recognize a cultural bond, the shared values, the common history and now compare an individual American in need to a starving child in Africa. The American in need takes a higher priority.

These scenarios DO NOT have have play out with 100% accuracy and they will still shape how people will live their lives, make their choices and choose their mates.

The world is a much smaller place and getting smaller every day, on this forum alone we have members all over the world. More people get to know others, the more we realzie ew are more alike than different.

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It's the effect sizes of similarity and difference that are the engine driving diversity of groupings. Here's an example. Everyone in the world has to eat. See, we're all the same. That's not really going to create a strong bond across different cultures. One group believes in female circumcision and another group doesn't. The feelings that this generates will be strong and push people towards the groups with similar values.

The above example is extreme but it illustrates the point. Look at the high rate of divorce between interracial couples. I'm feeling pretty safe in stating that they're not divorcing because of female circumcision issues arising in their marriages. The differences between the spouses are much more mundane but like a pebble in a shoe they're irritating enough that they affect the quality of the marriage.

lizzie said:

That isn't true at all. In the age of information and with high levels of mobility, racial mixing could easily eventually result in a relatively raceless world, except for maybe in the far reaches, where people still live in tribal closed communities. Of course, even if that happens, we will still find something to fight about.

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Genetics doesn't work like adding a cup of coffee and a cup of milk together, it works more like a deck of playing cards which get reshuffled.

When a deck gets dealt out then you get all sorts of combinations. Here are two twin girls born to an interracial couple. Notice something about them?

RiverDad said:

Genetics doesn't work like adding a cup of coffee and a cup of milk together, it works more like a deck of playing cards which get reshuffled.

When a deck gets dealt out then you get all sorts of combinations. Here are two twin girls born to an interracial couple. Notice something about them?

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It doesn't matter. The mixes will eventually lead to more homogenicity as a whole, and the mixing of racial types, in addition to the melding of their cultural differences will make people less likely to even be aware that there are differences at all.

I asked about race, not step children, do you think the only way to have a child of a different race is marrying the childs Mother? I dont know but I cannot imagine thinking any less of a child of mine becase the childs mom was a differnet race. I have a hard time trying to imagine the kind of man that wuold have that problem. I guess I am learning about one now. By the way, I raised two of my own children and two step children, you are wrong on many levels.

RiverDad said:

Of course there is. We can derive this from a number of methods. Let me go through one method.

We start by looking at families. Is there a difference between how a father treats his own child compared to how he treats a step-child? Is that parental bond something that can be taught or be imposed by willful action or is there something inborn going on? The violence and murder rate against step children is astronomically higher than it is against biological children. So even with blended families which have every incentive to become one family, we see that wishing doesn't always translate into dreams coming true.

Step away from your immediate family. If we compare willingness to provide aid between a scenario where a cousin is in need to a total stranger, we see the cousin winning out. Extend the family relationship even further and while the effect diminishes we still see a greater bond than that felt towards a total stranger. Extend the family relationship even further and most people no longer even recognize a bond of kinship but they do recognize a cultural bond, the shared values, the common history and now compare an individual American in need to a starving child in Africa. The American in need takes a higher priority.

These scenarios DO NOT have have play out with 100% accuracy and they will still shape how people will live their lives, make their choices and choose their mates.



It's the effect sizes of similarity and difference that are the engine driving diversity of groupings. Here's an example. Everyone in the world has to eat. See, we're all the same. That's not really going to create a strong bond across different cultures. One group believes in female circumcision and another group doesn't. The feelings that this generates will be strong and push people towards the groups with similar values.

The above example is extreme but it illustrates the point. Look at the high rate of divorce between interracial couples. I'm feeling pretty safe in stating that they're not divorcing because of female circumcision issues arising in their marriages. The differences between the spouses are much more mundane but like a pebble in a shoe they're irritating enough that they affect the quality of the marriage.

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Cute kids?

RiverDad said:

Genetics doesn't work like adding a cup of coffee and a cup of milk together, it works more like a deck of playing cards which get reshuffled.

When a deck gets dealt out then you get all sorts of combinations. Here are two twin girls born to an interracial couple. Notice something about them?

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lizzie said:

It doesn't matter.

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The mix isn't stable. Genes will express. Secondly, the rate of interracial marriage is nowhere close to being strong enough to override what's going on with in-group matings. Then there are the 2nd and downstream generation effects which we see taking place in Brazil. The children of mixed race couples, and their children, don't stay isolated in a mix-race category, they migrate outwards and join different communities. Their uniqueness is diluted in the following generation. I highly doubt that those two girls, when they are adults, are going to follow the same mating patterns and that they're going to find guys who are also mixed race.

The mixes will eventually lead to more homogenicity as a whole

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Why do you hate diversity so much that you want to erase it from the world?

and the mixing of racial types, in addition to the melding of their cultural differences will make people less likely to even be aware that there are differences at all.

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And we can all join hands and sing kumbaya. So in addition to wiping out genetic diversity you also favor wiping out cultural diversity. We have many people alive today who are committed to helping to keep diverse peoples and cultures alive and you're setting yourself up as their enemy, you want to destroy what they fight to keep alive. Same too with linguists who are trying to keep regional dialects alive. They're trying to protect diversity and your dream is to destroy all the diversity that exists in the world. Can't you see how people who value diversity are going to fight you as you seek to destroy what they value so highly?