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Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

How do you feel about interracial couples

  • It's wrong to date and have children with other races

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • It depends on the race

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Interracial couples and children are completely acceptable to me

    Votes: 106 93.8%
  • I have mixed feelings

    Votes: 5 4.4%

  • Total voters
    113
As sad as I find these race polls...they always are good for a laugh as many real dunderdales show themselves (whether they know it or not).

Of all the (apparently) sane people I have known, racists are almost always about the dumbest/most ignorant...reading this thread has just reinforced that belief of mine.

well this is because racism's sole foundation is ignorance

there are other bricks on top that foundation. fear, jealousy, being naive, insecurity etc but it all comes back to that, ignorance and stupidity.
 
I just thought I would ask. It seems some people here are not comfortable with interracial couples, and I was curious how common the attitude is..

Over 90% of the poll respondents say they have no problem with it. LOL yeah right guys. People always lie about their racism because it's socially taboo to object to something like interracial couples.

I, on the other hand, am so awesome that I could care less about social taboos. So I will just give it to you straight.

I'm white. I have dated many asian women. In fact, my last girlfriend was asian. The first girl I ever kissed was black. So basically, when it comes to me, I find people of all colors to be attractive.

When it comes to white women, however, I don't like seeing them with men of other races. Not 100 percent sure the reason, as it's mainly a gut reaction. Maybe I'm a racist subconsciously, who knows.

I believe, though, the reasons are because I want all women to be attracted to guys who resemble me. Since I'm not black or asian, those guys don't resemble me, therefore I have no interest in seeing them succeed sexually.

When I see a white woman with a black man, my first thought is that there must be something wrong with her.

It's more of an envy thing and an ego thing than a racial thing, at the end of the day.

Also, most guys feel the same way I do. I happen to know that from talking to a lot of people in the real world on a daily basis. They will, however, lie to you about it.
 
She looks amazing.

Imagine that, a dude finds a 16-18 year old young women to be amazing looking. What is the world coming to?
 
You don't know much about scientific research or statistics because what you have put forward again is rubbish. If you don't understand the nature of scientific research then you should be quiet. It's not about liking the conclusion, it's about how you arrive at the conclusion. Since you don't know how the women were chosen, for all you know they may have gone out and picked the ugliest black women they could find. Even in the more concrete, hard sciences, there has been so much research that has turned out to be fraudulent because people have devised or tampered with the conditions under which they purported to conduct the research.

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Again, if you want to dispute the study's findings, go ahead and do so.

If you want to be taken seriously, however, I would suggest finding an objective and factual basis on which to attack its methodology, rather than flying into unjustifiable hysterics and simply assuming its conclusions must be false out of hand because they happen to make you feel uncomfortable.

But in the case of attractiveness, that is something that will be very hard, because it tends to vary from person to person

This is simply false. With at least some level of accuracy, the physical attractiveness of a given person can be objectively measured and quantified using scientific and mathematical principles.

I have already demonstrated this, and here is another source discussing the issue.

BBC Science - Attraction

Physical indicators of good health, fertility, and gender distinct verility are more or less universal. Indicators of individual genetic compatibility are more variable, but even they can be predicted with some degree of accuracy in most cases.

I'm sorry, but the simple fact of the matter is that, at its core, human behavior is usually pretty damn predictable. We are animals like any other, governed primarily by innate biological instinct.

The burden of proof is not on me, it's on the researcher to demonstrate that they have conducted the research under objective conditions, with reasonable assumptions, and have results that can be replicated.

Which they have already done, by posting their results and their methodology for academia and the general public to see.

If you have doubts, look into them, and come back with some valid criticisms of the techniques used by the researchers in question to reach their conclusions. All you've done so far is throw out blind rhetoric and baseless "what if" scenarios.

The burden of proof here is on you, and you alone. It always has been.

It depends on how you define "lots". According to the graph on this page from a Pew Center survey, close to 20% of white evangelicals, 10% of white Catholics and about 15% of white mainline (I'm guessing this means Protestant?) Christians think interracial marriage is bad for society. That's not just a couple yahoos here and there.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/upload/2011/06/0624revisedchart.JPG

ETA: From the article: Christianity Today Politics: Opposition to Interracial Marriage Lingers Among Evangelicals

And what about non-white views on racial mixing?

Do you really imagine that reluctance and prejudice towards mixed race marriages are limited to Caucasian populations alone?

People aren't openly critical of mixed race couples, but acceptance is generally with a nagging feeling that trouble is probably on the way.

It's fashionable on these sorts of threads where the Liberals all try to top each other's declarations of tolerance "Damn, I didn't even know people were different colors!" to pretend as if mixed race marriages are even more stable than non-mixed races, but they're not. If a particular identifiable culture does not have a history of marital stability, the societal pressures of a mixed marriage are going to increase those divorces exponentially.

It's always disappointing to be in a store and see a mother with a couple mixed race babies and no wedding ring or man in sight. It would be much better if those contemplating mixed race marriage would give much more thought to the future well being of any children.

Pretty much this. While I don't have any particular problem with interracial relationships, I can honestly say that I would probably prefer to date and eventually marry a white woman all things being equal.

Some of the reason for this may very well lie in the genetic factors involved (I simply don't find most black women to be sexually attractive, for instance), but culture is undeniably the major factor. Right or wrong, racial ethnicity does still play a predominant role in shaping a person's individual identity in our current society. Because of this, it is often easier to find shared ground with a person of your own racial background than another, for the simple reason that you are far more likely to share the same experiences, expectations, and general life goals in common with them.

Do you really think there is some instictual preference for your own race?

There is evidence to support such a conclusion, yes.

Children Use Opposite Sex Parent As Template For A Partner

Numerous studies have shown that human beings tend to prefer partners who share physical features in common with themselves and their immediate family over others.

That isn't true at all. In the age of information and with high levels of mobility, racial mixing could easily eventually result in a relatively raceless world, except for maybe in the far reaches, where people still live in tribal closed communities. Of course, even if that happens, we will still find something to fight about.

I definitely think we'll see more mixing, and I don't think that is a bad thing.

However, it is probably a bit soon to be announcing the "death of race" here. If such a thing were to happen at all, it would only happen gradually, over the course of several millenia of sustained inter-breeding.
 
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I definitely think we'll see more mixing, and I don't think that is a bad thing.

However, it is probably a bit soon to be announcing the "death of race" here. If such a thing were to happen at all, it would only happen gradually, over the course of several millenia of sustained inter-breeding.

I'm not really announcing the death of race at any time in the near future, but I do think that eventually, it will be a non-issue, because it will have all but disappeared. I couldn't care less either way, as my own views on who I prefer have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with important factors such as intellect, disposition, and character, but people tend to find interest in, and fascination with, those who are different from themselves. Why do you think American men tend to refer to Asian or darker-skinned women as "exotic"? It's because they differ from the norm It's attractive because it is opposite. If I had been captive to an old native American tribe, I would have been highly prized for my pale skin, blonde hair, and green eyes.

All of my life, it has typically been men with dark hair, dark eyes, and/or dark skin, who are attracted to me. This isn't surprising in the least.
 
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I am not seeking to destroy anything at all. It's the direction that we will move toward by nature. People are attracted by differences, not sameness, which is one of the reasons we see an increase in interracial mixes nowadays. Not only are they more socially acceptable and accessible- they are also natural.

It makes no difference to me that you want to hang on tooth and nail to whatever makes you more comfortable, but when it comes to love and attraction, people don't base it on good genetic pairing. It's a much more spontaneous act than that.

Actually, people are attracted to similarity, according to most of the research I've read. Interracial marriage is up because it used to be illegal.... then it was still taboo for many years. Inevitably, it would bounce up to a stable level.
 
All of my life, it has typically been men with dark hair, dark eyes, and/or dark skin, who are attracted to me. This isn't surprising in the least.


You sound like one of those people who've been led to believe that race is only skin deep.
 
Actually, people are attracted to similarity, according to most of the research I've read. Interracial marriage is up because it used to be illegal.... then it was still taboo for many years. Inevitably, it would bounce up to a stable level.

The similarity is more likely culture, not looks.
 
You sound like one of those people who've been led to believe that race is only skin deep.

It is. Culture determines how we are, our values, our propensities, etc. Skin color has nothing to do with it.
 
It is. Culture determines how we are, our values, our propensities, etc. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

There's nothing that you could do to me to transform me into a liberal. People become what their natures lead them to be.
 
There's nothing that you could do to me to transform me into a liberal. People become what their natures lead them to be.

Frankly, I have no desire to transform you into anything. What you are is your own issue, not mine.
 
The similarity is more likely culture, not looks.

Not really. Summing up what I've read on the subject, typically a woman will marry a man who resembles her father, and a man will marry a woman who resembles his mother in some way.

Something about how we imprint on certain features, gestures, etc at an early age and that helps determine what we find attractive.

Needless to say, there are exceptions to the rule. In my own family, I have Iranians, Brazilians, Italians, Swedes, Fins, Danes, and Americans. My last girlfriend was Chinese American. However, MOST people are attracted to likeness.

Now, that said, research also suggests that we are attracted to people who have immunity genes that differ from ours. This has nothing to do with race, though, as an interracial couple can have similar genes in this regard while two blonde-haired, blue eyed people can have very different genes. It's actually supposedly random.
 
Because it is!

Let me broaden your horizons.

Breast cancers are not all the same in how they develop. One key difference is found in Estrogen Receptors:


Receptors for the female hormones estrogen and progesterone are another key personality feature of breast cancer.

These receptors are the eyes and ears of the breast cells, getting messages sent by the hormones and figuring out what to do with these messages. The hormones will tell the receptors to stimulate or "turn on" breast cell growth. Estrogen and progesterone can increase both normal and abnormal breast cell growth.

If a tumor is estrogen-receptor positive (ER-positive), it is more likely to grow in a high-estrogen environment. ER-negative tumors are usually not affected by the levels of estrogen and progesterone in your body. This is one time when hearing the word "positive" may really mean something good.

As ER-positive cancers are more likely to respond to anti-estrogen therapies. If you have an ER-positive cancer, you may respond well to tamoxifen (Nolvadex), a drug that works by blocking the estrogen receptors on the breast tissue cells and slowing their estrogen-fuelled growth​


The question that needs to be asked is whether there is population variance seen for the distribution of ER+ and ER- breast cancers.


Estrogen Receptor Breast Cancer Phenotypes in the Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results Database

ERN was correlated with premenopausal disease, black race, and poor prognostic factor groups, whereas ERP was associated with postmenopausal disease, white race, and favorable tumor characteristics.​


Oh oh, there is population variance. Now the question shifts to "what does this mean?"


Black women may be at increased risk for aggressive, difficult-to-treat triple-negative breast cancer, independent of their age and weight, researchers found.

Tumors that did not express estrogen or progesterone receptors or HER2 were three times more common among black women than among white women (P=0.0001), Carol L. Rosenberg, M.D., of Boston University Medical Center, and colleagues reported online in Breast Cancer Research.

The effect of race or ethnicity in the single center cohort did not vary with age and body mass index, suggesting that triple-negative disease "likely contributes to black women's unfavorable breast cancer prognosis," the researchers said.

Black women in the U.S. have an overall lower risk of developing breast cancer overall than their white peers, but their cancers are diagnosed at a higher stage, with a greater risk of recurrence and worse prognosis.

Prior studies have found a higher rate of triple-negative breast cancer in minorities including blacks. . . .

Overall, 20% of the women had triple-negative tumors while 72% expressed estrogen, progesterone, or both types of receptors. Some 13% were HER2 positive.

However, triple-negative breast cancer was not evenly distributed among racial and ethnic groups. Black women had a 30% rate of these aggressive tumors compared with just 11% to 13% in the other groups.

In a multivariate regression analysis, triple-negative status was three times more likely among black than white women (95% confidence interval 1.6 to 5.4).​
 
I'm not really announcing the death of race at any time in the near future, but I do think that eventually, it will be a non-issue, because it will have all but disappeared. I couldn't care less either way, as my own views on who I prefer have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with important factors such as intellect, disposition, and character, but people tend to find interest in, and fascination with, those who are different from themselves. Why do you think American men tend to refer to Asian or darker-skinned women as "exotic"? It's because they differ from the norm It's attractive because it is opposite. If I had been captive to an old native American tribe, I would have been highly prized for my pale skin, blonde hair, and green eyes.

All of my life, it has typically been men with dark hair, dark eyes, and/or dark skin, who are attracted to me. This isn't surprising in the least.

Sure. Human beings are drawn to novelty.

Growing up with a blonde mother, I have a bit of a thing for women with dark hair and darker complexions (Latinas, and the occassional Middle Easterner, for instance) myself.

At the same time though, I've noticed that when things "click" with a blonde woman, they tend to do so in a rather intense way to say the least. :lol:

As such, I honestly think things could be said to go both ways here as far as instinctual drives are concerned.

While a lot of people are genuinely curious about the "exotic," they are generally far more likely to ultimately go for things that are in their "comfort zone" than things that are outside of it. While we undoubtedly will see more and more "adventurous" people settling in with partners of different races as the subject continues to lose its old taboo, most people probably will stick with their own race more often than not simply because it is what they feel most comfortable with.

Only time will ultimately tell though. :shrug:
 
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Frankly, I have no desire to transform you into anything. What you are is your own issue, not mine.

This is you dodging the issue. Culture doesn't make us or shape our propensities. We see this every damn day with young people and the dynamic is most visible with adopted children.
 
Sure. Human beings are drawn to novelty.

Growing up with a blonde mother, I have a bit of a thing for women with dark hair and darker complexions (Latinas, and the occassional Middle Easterner, for instance) myself.

At the same time though, I've noticed that when I "click" with a blonde woman, it tends to be in a rather intense way to say the least. :lol:

As such, I honestly think things could be said to go both ways here as far as instinctual drives are concerned.

While a lot of people are genuinely curious about the "exotic," they are generally far more likely to ultimately go for things that are in their "comfort zone" than things that are outside of it. While we undoubtedly will see more and more "adventurous" people settling in with partners of different races as the subject continues to lose its old taboo, most people probably will stick with their own race more often than not simply because it is what they feel most comfortable with.

Only time will ultimately tell though. :shrug:

That would be culturally-determined. If I grew up with a black mother, my comfort zone would be black, and not white with blue eyes, and would not be genetically determined.
 
That would be culturally-determined. If I grew up with a black mother, my comfort zone would be black, and not white with blue eyes, and would not be genetically determined.

 
This is you dodging the issue. Culture doesn't make us or shape our propensities. We see this every damn day with young people and the dynamic is most visible with adopted children.

I'm not dodging anything at all. Culture does shape us, much more than genetics. Our tastes, habits, beliefs, and other defining non-physical characteristics are culturally learned, not genetically passed on. I was being truthful. What you are is your issue, and I don't care about it one little bit. If you have a ****ty attitude toward people of other races, based on skin color, that is a learned behavior, not a genetic trait.
 
That would be culturally-determined. If I grew up with a black mother, my comfort zone would be black, and not white with blue eyes, and would not be genetically determined.

Ehhh... This is getting into "chicken vs egg" territory now.

We do know for a fact that most people tend to prefer partners that look similar to themselves and their opposite sex parents.

Whether this is something purely "learned" or something that goes deeper than that is difficult to say for sure at this point.
 
Because it is!

I believe this is a euphemism, and that if we ever did scratch the surface and do the studies I'm sure that we would find that race is much more than skin deep. There is no reason to think that the same genetic drift that caused differences in facial structure and skin color could not also account for differences in the structure of the brain.

I would speculate that if anyone were crazy enough to actually measure it, they would find a statistically significant difference in the mental functioning of different racial groups, with Jews and Asians being smarter than everyone else, and blacks and native americans being on the shallow end, whites somewhere in the middle.

I'm also of the opinion, though, that it would do society no good at all to even begin to look in to these things, and so we shouldn't encourage that kind of research.
 
Ehhh... This is getting into "chicken vs egg" territory now.

We do know for a fact that most people tend to prefer partners that look similar to themselves and their opposite sex parents.

Whether this is something purely "learned" or something that goes deeper than that is difficult to say for sure at this point.

But what I said is true. If I was raised by a black woman, I would be comfortable with her, and I would trust her implicitly, assuming she loved me and was a devoted and kind mother. Other people might try to convince me otherwise, because they could see that I physically was so different, but my trust level would already have been established before I was able to speak, understand, or reason, so it would already have been heavily imprinted.
 
I believe this is a euphemism, and that if we ever did scratch the surface and do the studies I'm sure that we would find that race is much more than skin deep.

We don't need to wait. We already know this and it's extremely well established.

In fact, a computer program can analyze DNA and sort it into racial groupings.

I would speculate that if anyone were crazy enough to actually measure it, they would find a statistically significant difference in the mental functioning of different racial groups, with Jews and Asians being smarter than everyone else, and blacks and native americans being on the shallow end, whites somewhere in the middle.

You don't have to be crazy to do this, this is the MOST studied issue in social science. The results have been known for nearly a century now.
 
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