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Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016?

Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016?

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    Votes: 5 14.3%
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    Votes: 30 85.7%

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Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

This isn't surprising to hear from you i.e: total bigotry. You and Islamic fundamentalism have quite a lot in common, actually.

Yes, we do. I've never denied that in any way.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Sorry, "getting over it" isn't an option. Just as walking into that restaurant with the "No Weapons Allowed" sign on the front door

A private business has every right to say no to guns on their premises. Just as you have a right to not allow a woman with an ankle exposed into your house.

or getting my banking done by a female teller are not options.

:lamo Sometimes I have trouble believing you are for real Tigger.

Some of us actually have convictions and principles that we live by.

There is a difference between having convictions and principles and having the belief that one's own principles must be forced on the rest of society.

I understand those things are not popular anymore, but a few of us do still believe in them.

No, they are popular. It's just YOUR principles aren't popular.

The oppressive hand of State is only necessary because you folks refuse to follow the rules without it.

I'm sorry but I will continue to walk outside with shorts, promote feminist literature, curse when I deem it necessary, and drink when I have the desire to drink. Those actions have done nothing to hurt your own life. Any ulcers you get over this fact is simply due to your own insecurities. Not my problem.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Originally Posted by Lachean
How does two men holding hands or sneaking in a quick peck effect you? Have you tried not staring at gay couples? Change the channel if you don't like the tune.

As someone who believes in personal self-defense, simply not paying attention to everyone and everything around me is not an option. That's why I don't go out as much as many other people do. I can't both maintain situational awareness and keep my stomach from tying itself in knots.

Then that is the cost to your safety.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

A private business has every right to say no to guns on their premises. Just as you have a right to not allow a woman with an ankle exposed into your house.

Yes they do, just as I have the right to make sure that every gun owner in Worcester County knows that they should not be frequenting that place.

:lamo Sometimes I have trouble believing you are for real Tigger.

That's your business, not mine.

There is a difference between having convictions and principles and having the belief that one's own principles must be forced on the rest of society.

Not really. If you're not willing to vociferously espouse your convictions and principles both in how you live and what you say, then do you really believe in them?

Show me what a man will kill or die for and I'll show you what he believe in. Show me what he will not kill or die for and I'll show you what he doesn't really care about at all.

No, they are popular. It's just YOUR principles aren't popular.

Believing steadfastly in something that is Wrong is not a Principle, Geoist. It's a sign of insanity.

I'm sorry but I will continue to walk outside with shorts, promote feminist literature, curse when I deem it necessary, and drink when I have the desire to drink. Those actions have done nothing to hurt your own life.

At lesat two or three of those specifically listed items can have an effect on others, but I'm not going to waste either of our time debating it.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Then that is the cost to your safety.

Which is why I prefer not to go out any more than absolutely necessary.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

You're SO CLOSE to being right here that it almost pains me to point out where you're wrong. Your mistake, and the mistake of a great deal of people when it comes to Federal Spending is to misread Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. All too many people see "General Welfare and Common Defense" and fail to understand that the 18 specific items listed below it are the definition of what "General Welfare and Common Defense" means. Therefore, regardless of the "benefit of the republic", if it isn't in that list is it not a legitimate expenditure. Therefore all Energy, Education, Social Welfare, Health Care, Disaster Relief, Foreign Aid, and many, many other things this nation spends insane amounts of money on are not legitimate expenditures.



It has everything to do with the Social Conservative agenda of "Don't make me pay to support a worthless waste of flesh and oxygen. Don't make me pay to educate kids I don't have. Don't make me pay to heal morons who don't deserve to live in the first place. Etc....."

I think we're operating with different definitions of "social conservative". To me, it refers to the government making decisions for individuals, and not to the government paying for things that individuals need to pay for themselves, i.e., welfare state. There is nothing conservative about the welfare state.

and the government does need to be limited to Constitutional mandates, yes, but it does not need to be spending money on things that aren't of benefit to the republic, i.e., bailing out "too big to fail" entities, subsidizing unprofitable enterprises, etc.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Which is why I prefer not to go out any more than absolutely necessary.

Do you remember the movie...The Omega Man.



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Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Yes they do, just as I have the right to make sure that every gun owner in Worcester County knows that they should not be frequenting that place.

Except that isn't how you think, Tigger. You don't simply think your ethics should be promoted voluntarily... they need to be enforced through the iron fist of the law.


That's your business, not mine.

No, in your mind, my business should ALWAYS be the State's business.

Not really. If you're not willing to vociferously espouse your convictions and principles both in how you live and what you say, then do you really believe in them?

Maybe because if I believe in the nonaggression principle, then enforcing that view through violence is sort of an oxymoron?

Show me what a man will kill or die for and I'll show you what he believe in. Show me what he will not kill or die for and I'll show you what he doesn't really care about at all.

I don't think you really have any clue what anyone is willing to fight and die for. At the same time, just because I'm a man of faith does not mean I'm going to kill someone who doesn't follow my faith.


Believing steadfastly in something that is Wrong is not a Principle, Geoist.

Well, in that case you have no principles because you are clearly wrong in your 'ethics.'

It's a sign of insanity.

Like your belief that no woman should work.

At lesat two or three of those specifically listed items can have an effect on others.

Of course they have an effect on others. We don't live in bubbles.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Well first, note that I specifically suggested that experience as a CEO or COO would not, imho, be direct experience but indirect to the specific job of the POTUS.
In the past few years, generally speaking, with CEO's and COO's having been in trouble with the feds, and having that type of experience of how to try to circumvent laws, and breaking laws, no thanks, I wouldn't want someone chosen as our president who knows how to milk and bilk the banking system, who have left shareholders holding the bag, which are basically white collar criminals. Don't we believe that we've seen and had enough of this?
Second, the sincerity of your argument somewhat comes into question based on the seeming underlining message based on your words. Your inclusion of millionaire and billionaire (not jobs) mixed in with actual job titles, and your inclusion of Romney as an example of someone whose experience is this is question. It ignores that Romney had what most experts suggest is the closest directly relevant experience to POTUS...being the Chief Executive of a Governmental Entity on the state level, IE Governor.
My sincerity comes into question? By whom, you? And who might you be to judge someones sincerity after all we've seen of crooked CEO', COO's and lousy politicians? Who are you to question the sincerity of someone you do not know? By hinging your belief upon a few words which were typed? You seem to pass judgement pretty damned quick on someone you do not know.
Third, I can't help but notice you avoided completely answering the question as to whether or not this seeming standard you are suggesting applies to all jobs, or if you simply have this strange mentality when it comes to the President and the President alone.
I would expect condescension from another conservative, but from a conservative moderator at that?
I believe some sort of litmus test should be administered to any candidate for a job, employment or politics. Experience for a job is good, but what kind of experience a person has for a certain type of job is what matters. If we're going to seek people for the office of POTUS, we should at least be comforted in knowing that the person running for office has at least some experience with US Laws, and at least knows our constitutional laws.
Fourth, there is a SIGNIFICANT difference between talking about qualities or experiences you prefer in a Presidential candidate and qualities and experiences that directly relate as "Experience" to the speciifc job duties of a Presidency.
Everyone's preferences are different, those I mentioned are just a few or a couple.
I may PREFER that a President has some experience in a private sector company, specifically a small business. However, simply because I'd PREFER they have that experience doesn't mean I'm arrogant enough to believe my preference directly means that's the most applicable experience to being a President. I may PREFER that a President be a historical scholar with a deep understanding of the views and ideas of the Founders. But I'm not going to sit here and try to suggest a Historical Scholar has the better resume of experience speficially related to the task of being President than a Govenor. That doesn't mean I don't think the Historian may not make a better president...experience alone doesn't determine that...but it does mean I'm not egotistical enough to think that simply because I prefer something that magically means it has direct experience.

Being the Chief Executive of a State Government is directly related experience to the specific duties of being a Chief Executive of the Federal Government.

Being a Constitutional Laywer may relate to certain aspects of a POTUS's job, but it's not direct experience relating specifically to the day to day duties, responsabilities, and expectations of the job.

It's perfectly reasonable, in theory, to not like someone with a ton of corporate experience to be President (Just like it's perfectly reasonable, in theory, to not like someone whose never or rarely worked in a traditional private sector job to be POTUS). It's even perfectly reasonable to suggest that such a factor outweighs actual job related experience the person has. But it's just not a logical argument to suggest that the only direct type of experience for POTUS is being POTUS, and every other form of experience is somehow on equal footing.
I would prefer someone who doesn't know how to use our legal system for personal or political game or gain. I mentioned Romney because of his corporate track record of putting people out of work. By the purchase or overtaking of companies on the ropes, he is not a venture capitalist, he is more of a vulture capitalist. His past political experience is well noted, which why some people viewed him as an insider. Do we need a millionaire who has used the system for his benefit, and his political experience for the benefit of corporate America? I think not.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Do you remember the movie...The Omega Man.

I've never seen it Texas.

Except that isn't how you think, Tigger. You don't simply think your ethics should be promoted voluntarily... they need to be enforced through the iron fist of the law.

Not really. People are free to believe whatever they want. I just think they should be forced to do it from other countries.


No, in your mind, my business should ALWAYS be the State's business.

Only when your business violates the Morals, Values, and Standards of society.

Maybe because if I believe in the nonaggression principle, then enforcing that view through violence is sort of an oxymoron?

There's a term for those who believe in no -aggression. I believe it's Victim. Or was that Prey?


I don't think you really have any clue what anyone is willing to fight and die for. At the same time, just because I'm a man of faith does not mean I'm going to kill someone who doesn't follow my faith.

I know it's not.much. Then I have no use for that type of faith.

Of course they have an effect on others. We don't live in bubbles.

Then they sbould.be required to follow an accepted set of Morals and Values.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

In public places, those were two easy examples. There are a ton of private businesses that I avoid like the plague for any number of reasons including (but not limited to)... the gender and sexual preferences of their employees/owners, their lack of security, the company's whose products they sell, etc....

Gender? So the feminine shouldn't work?...

As someone who believes in personal self-defense, simply not paying attention to everyone and everything around me is not an option. That's why I don't go out as much as many other people do. I can't both maintain situational awareness and keep my stomach from tying itself in knots.

I take great pleasure that free people doing well and expressing love for each other makes a dinosaur like you nauseated.

No, not prison. The morgue. Much more effective that way.

Death to all homosexuals is it? You've gone from "Aww my cute racist old grandma, she's from another time..." to a downright domestic threat to the lives of innocent citizens. I am so glad people like you are not long for this world; This world belongs to the living.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

I am so glad people like you are not long for this world; This world belongs to the living.

The Biblical passage, "The meek shall inherit the Earth" gives me comfort in that. :)
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

I go to bed every night praying that Hillary won't run (not really, I'm an atheist, but you get the point). The last thing America needs is another 4-8 years of the status quo.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

I go to bed every night praying that Hillary won't run (not really, I'm an atheist, but you get the point). The last thing America needs is another 4-8 years of the status quo.
I completely agree with that, but... I think that's what we'll get regardless who is elected.

There will be some nuanced differences between one person or another, but for the most part it'll just be more of the same.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

I completely agree with that, but... I think that's what we'll get regardless who is elected.

There will be some nuanced differences between one person or another, but for the most part it'll just be more of the same.

Exactly, and that is true regardless of whether the new POTUS has an R or a D after his/her name.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

I think the Dems primary will be more interesting. Who will emerge with the most lies that will allow the party to resume control of the lemming vote? For example, "I will have the most transparent administration in History." And, "The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime." Well, you get the picture.

How many special interest groups will swallow hook, line, and sinker the promises of the best Dem orator?

War on women crowd?
Gays?
Unions?
Abortion rights activists?
Welfare recipients?
Disability crowd?
Open border proponents?
Entitlement and nanny state crowd?
Big government lovers?
Wall Street?

And there is those of course who are paying more now for insurance premiums and deductibles like, well, everybody who pays for health insurance.

The Dem hawks who support Obama wars?
I'm guessing they will digress to becoming peace loving libs again and lash out at Republicans for having a war like mentality.
(This is an interesting democratic cycle based on who controls the executive and legislative branches of government.)

And on the other side of the docket, which candidates will distance themselves from Obamacare, especially those who voted for it.

This is going to be one interesting fall.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Gender? So the feminine shouldn't work?...

I take great pleasure that free people doing well and expressing love for each other makes a dinosaur like you nauseated.

Death to all homosexuals is it? You've gone from "Aww my cute racist old grandma, she's from another time..." to a downright domestic threat to the lives of innocent citizens. I am so glad people like you are not long for this world; This world belongs to the living.

1. No, women should not work in any non - traditional role.

2. We may be dinosaurs but we are not extinct yet. Careful because once we are your society may not work quite as well.

3. Death to all Immoralists and their supporters. The world properly belongs to those who can live a Proper life whether they want to or not.
 
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Posts 91 and 92....are these examples of extremism ? or are they just rants from a sick mind ? or a combo of the two ?
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Posts 91 and 92....are these examples of extremism ? or are they just rants from a sick mind ? or a combo of the two ?

In the case of Post #92, BOTH.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Whereas the striking problem with your view of things is that many who speak of Freedom and Liberty are simply seeking the means to avoid the most basic tenants of Society, Social Order and Morality. Life has never been and hopefully never will be about what we WANT to do. It is instead, and always has been about what we SHOULD do.
Since when has man ever done what he SHOULD do ?
Or, name ONE perfect man....
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Since when has man ever done what he SHOULD do? Or, name ONE perfect man....

Where have I ever suggested there has ever been a Perfect Man (or woman). To my knowledge there never has been one. It's a goal to strive for. A brass ring to reach for. The problem is that our society currently works to discourage people from even trying. Instead our society says "Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter. Do whatever you want." Only after death do most see the folly of their ways.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Where have I ever suggested there has ever been a Perfect Man (or woman). To my knowledge there never has been one. It's a goal to strive for. A brass ring to reach for. The problem is that our society currently works to discourage people from even trying. Instead our society says "Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter. Do whatever you want." Only after death do most see the folly of their ways.

Tigger, in a previous post you said,

"Death to all Immoralists and their supporters. The world properly belongs to those who can live a Proper life whether they want to or not."

Who is the decider on the "specific morals" people must die for if they don't comply? And who decides on "the things that are proper", which I'm also guessing would create serious outcomes for those who don't complying?

Then you state:

"Only after death do most see the folly of their ways."

While I don't dare ask you for proof of that. But, are you in any way suggesting that you have some kind of insider information that people are actually capable of seeing the folly of there ways "after death"?
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Who is the decider on the "specific morals" people must die for if they don't comply? And who decides on "the things that are proper", which I'm also guessing would create serious outcomes for those who don't complying?

Those morals and values were determined in the long past, at the time that human beings were starting to form civilizations. They have been in place for eons, going back to the most basic of concepts necessary for humankind to survive in this world.

While I don't dare ask you for proof of that. But, are you in any way suggesting that you have some kind of insider information that people are actually capable of seeing the folly of there ways "after death"?

No more "insider information" than what the believers of any other Spiritual or Religious pathway claim to have, RM.... Faith, Belief, and an Inner Resolve that what we have found through whichever path we take, is the Right Way to do things. Very few Religious or Spiritual paths that I've found don't claim there is some form of Judgement at the end of life.
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

Where have I ever suggested there has ever been a Perfect Man (or woman). To my knowledge there never has been one. It's a goal to strive for. A brass ring to reach for. The problem is that our society currently works to discourage people from even trying. Instead our society says "Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter. Do whatever you want." Only after death do most see the folly of their ways.

You seem to be a libertarian,Tigger....their philosophy only works for "perfect" man..
Our society, all societies hold that man should strive to be "perfect"...and after seeing that this is impossible, they relax and say "do not worry" , but "perfection is ever the underlaying current....My take anyway
From having read your many words, Tigger, I have the impression that you believe that man should try to be perfect....and that libertarians/conservatives are....
 
Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

You seem to be a libertarian,Tigger....their philosophy only works for "perfect" man..
Our society, all societies hold that man should strive to be "perfect"...and after seeing that this is impossible, they relax and say "do not worry" , but "perfection is ever the underlaying current....My take anyway
From having read your many words, Tigger, I have the impression that you believe that man should try to be perfect....and that libertarians/conservatives are....

Not at all, earthworm. In my mind Libertarianism is the equivalant of sitting on the fence, trying to see which side the grass is greener on with each issue. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Like a Chinese restaurant menu.... One from this column (Right), one from that column (Centrist), ooh and two from the last column (Left). That's simply not having a spine or a set of morals to begin with so far as I'm concerned.

American Society no longer holds that there is a model of "Perfection" for humankind. Instead we accept the whole gambit of whatever people WANT to do rather than even suggesting, nevermind enforcing the ideal that there is a definition of what one SHOULD do. What you're suggesting is akin to a parent telling a child not to steal a candybar and when the child does steal it simply looking at them and going "Oops. Now give me half of that."

I believe that the SOLE PURPOSE of humankind being on this plane of existance is for us to attempt to meet that goal of Perfection, even knowing that we will fall short of it. My belief on what that Perfect mold is, does not line up with any current political or social theory. In fact it goes back to a time before the written word even existed and is further to the Right than pretty much any ideology we've seen in this world in the least several centuries.
 
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