What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

humbolt said:

I agree. It's a shame. I'd like to see a free Cuba. They'd like to see it, too.

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I believe that most people on this planet would like to see that.

loader said:

The best thing that Obama can do now, it is commit suicide. He is the worst president in the history of the country. Before other countries did not like America. But respected. Now we have no love and no respect. Our enemies are just laughing at us.
We do not need to send troops to Ukraine. Ukraine is a big country with a large population and the army. All we need, to help Ukraine firearms and instructors. And in the event of hostilities, to cover them from the air.

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Russian Deputy PM Laughs at Obama’s Sanctions - ABC News

If you don’t think we are the laughing stock of the world look at this parade in Germany. | ofthehighest

Iranian general: Obama's threats are 'the joke of the year' | The Times of Israel

SBu said:

Didn't vote in the poll as your choices seem to be attack or run and nothing allowed in the middle.

I do think Obama is slowing going in the right direction. Saw on various news sites that we are stepping up exercises with NATO, we've sent some military units to the baltic states, we're supporting Ukraine financially and no doubt in other ways. I think we can do more economically, politically, and militarily to deter him. The sanctions we placed on them so far are a joke, maybe it's just a delay tactic until we can coordinate deeper sanctions and economic retaliation. We should give Israel the green light to do whatever they want in Syria and Iran, with US support. We can send troops in to Poland and other baltic states not just for exercises.

Whatever we do, we need to make it is substantial and sudden. Phasing things in will not work. It sucks, and it's brinksmanship, but it is necessary. Otherwise world order will break down and the effects of that will be incredibly damaging, and long lasting, not just for the US, but for every country. Putin has led us to this return to containment and brinksmanship.

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Excellent message!

ChezC3 said:

Russian Deputy PM Laughs at Obama’s Sanctions - ABC News

If you don’t think we are the laughing stock of the world look at this parade in Germany. | ofthehighest

Iranian general: Obama's threats are 'the joke of the year' | The Times of Israel

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As people continue to support or oppose Obama along partisan lines, there is a very different reality unfolding unrelated to any actual issues.

President Obama, charismatic as he is, had exactly no leadership experience in his life - not in business, not with any organization, nor in politics. His advisors are idealistics, but also with no real world experience.

You may entirely believe with the philosophies and ideology of President Obama. Many people have lofty ideals. But it is coming down to the raw question of competency to carry out any goals, programs or ideals to any workable form, and an apparent lose of what to do on foreign policy matters lacking both any experience or knowledge himself, nor does his staff.

This is not only becoming a national and worldwide embarrassment to our county, it is increasingly causing real harms domestically and real dangers internationally. Where he previously was praised throughout the world and this nation for his lofty idealistic speeches, he is becoming seen as incompetent, indecisive and weak both at home and aboard by both the populous and foreign leaders.

The president is the leader of what still hangs on as the wealthiest country on earth and is commander of the unquestionable most powerful military on earth. Yet he is being openly ridiculed by world leaders.

Let Europe handle it.

MaggieD said:

I'm not sure. It's certainly not in our best interests to attempt to isolate and/or blackball a major power. We aren't that friendly with any of the major powers. And we may need their help some day. I just don't know enough about it to feel that confident in my opinion; but I think we should have thought about what to do now before we spoke in the first place.

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Eh? The US is super friendly with two of the four other major powers -- Britain and France (and by extent the European Union). Russia's the isolated one here, not the US.

That said, I think Russia will simply not be removed Crimea, whether or not it should be, so Obama ought to move on.

humbolt said:

When we free Cuba I will.

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It's not our job to free Cuba or anyone else. If they really want to be free, they will free themselves.

Ad_Captandum said:

Eh? The US is super friendly with two of the four other major powers -- Britain and France (and by extent the European Union). Russia's the isolated one here, not the US.

That said, I think Russia will simply not be removed Crimea, whether or not it should be, so Obama ought to move on.

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France is a super power. You could have fooled me. I don't count either one. China (the new sleeping elephant), Russia and the U.S. That's my short list.

plutonium said:

What would you do?

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Absolutely NOTHING. It's not our problem. There are no American citizens being held hostage there that I'm aware of. It's not our problem. Let the EU, UN, and whatever other international organizations want to stick their nose into it, deal with it themselves. No American interest = No American involvement. At least that's the way it SHOULD work.

maybe he should use his pen to draw another red line?

Tigger said:

Absolutely NOTHING. It's not our problem. There are no American citizens being held hostage there that I'm aware of. It's not our problem. Let the EU, UN, and whatever other international organizations want to stick their nose into it, deal with it themselves. No American interest = No American involvement. At least that's the way it SHOULD work.

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Then we should not have signed a treaty otherwise.

What should stop is the pointless words about Iran to not obtaining nuclear weapons (or to any other country.) The USA is now known to be the land of liars who only make deals to scam countries into being set up for military invasion.

We convinced Hussein in Iraq to destroy his chemical and biological weapons - and then attacked and killed Hussein after he had.

We convinced Libya to give up its chemical and biological weapons program - and then attacked and killed the leader of that country after they had.

We convinced the Ukraine to give up the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world - and then told Russia we will actually do nothing over any part of Ukraine that Russia wants.

Iran should consider any USA efforts to convince Iran to not obtain nuclear weapons as the USA declaring it intends to invade Iran and kill its leadership, only wanting make certain Iran has not dirty bombs or nuclear weapons before we do.

Pressuring a country to disarm itself is the USA actually announcing there are plans to invade the country.

I get tired of the trillions of words from politicians that have exactly no value whatsoever. ANY words about Iran and nuclear weapons are all totally worthless and essentially lies to claim something is being done with nothing is or can be done any more.

The future is of rapid worldwide nuclear weapons proliferation with every dictator, theocratic and military junta having their own mini nuclear arsenal. Within 50 years you'll probably be able to buy older models at garage sales.

joko104 said:

Then we should not have signed a treaty otherwise.

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We should not be party to ANY treaty or international agreements. We should not be part of ANY international organizations. PERIOD.

Tigger said:

We should not be party to ANY treaty or international agreements. We should not be part of ANY international organizations. PERIOD.

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I think that is impossible now that we live in a world of instant comunication.

There isn't much we can do. Reasonably, at least.

how about a former actor doing well against a former intelligence agency..beside that we all know presidents have many advisors from intelligence to military to help him make decisions.. even bush had them... it is okay to apologize when you have the best army and nukes in the world..a person that apoligizes is not weak..any apoligy done was done for a reason..you need to get over the macho effect.it does not work anymore..putin is not scared of anyone and niether is obama..we went into iraq right? what did russia do......nothing....

plutonium said:

how about a former actor doing well against a former intelligence agency..beside that we all know presidents have many advisors from intelligence to military to help him make decisions.. even bush had them... it is okay to apologize when you have the best army and nukes in the world..a person that apoligizes is not weak..any apoligy done was done for a reason..you need to get over the macho effect.it does not work anymore..putin is not scared of anyone and niether is obama..we went into iraq right? what did russia do......nothing....View attachment 67163678

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Is Iraq now the 51st state of the United States? I gather you claim that it is. That is your claim, right?

radcen said:

There isn't much we can do. Reasonably, at least.

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Not everyone agrees Russia now controls the world.

We could run Russia into the economic dark ages and turn every former USSR bloc country pro-USA with virtually no effort no any need for NATO's approval.

We should tell Western Europe and NATO to kiss off, defend themselves from now on and spend their own money for their defense.

Unitedwestand13 said:

I think that is impossible now that we live in a world of instant comunication.

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Difficult but not impossible. Isolationism is really the only option for saving the United States at this point in history.

joko104 said:

Not everyone agrees Russia now controls the world.

We could run Russia into the economic dark ages and turn every former USSR bloc country pro-USA with virtually no effort no any need for NATO's approval.

We should tell Western Europe and NATO to kiss off, defend themselves from now on and spend their own money for their defense.

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I don't think you understand the delicate nature of international politics.

Tigger said:

Difficult but not impossible. Isolationism is really the only option for saving the United States at this point in history.

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How can one Isolate the United States from the global economy? The global Internet? The ocean offers no protection anymore.

even if the election was not legal there is no doubt that these people most of them wanted to be part of russia.. and that seems to be a fact....case closed...who the hell are we to tell them they cant be part of russia..big brother..the world police, the world district attorney lol

Unitedwestand13 said:

How can one Isolate the United States from the global economy? The global Internet? The ocean offers no protection anymore.

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The nuclear weapons pointed at each national capital around with the world with the warning.... "Stick your fingers in our business we'll blow your head off." ought to offer a good amount of protection. Especially after the second or third mushroom cloud rises over a national capital.

If we don't have it we don't need it. The internet and other forms of communication can be blocked or shut off when necessary. A very simple "door swings one way - out" policy for travel helps as well.

Unitedwestand13 said:

I don't think you understand the delicate nature of international politics.

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I think the correct word for your message is not "delicate," but "impotent."

plutonium said:

even if the election was not legal there is no doubt that these people most of them wanted to be part of russia.. and that seems to be a fact....case closed...who the hell are we to tell them they cant be part of russia..big brother..the world police, the world district attorney lol View attachment 67163680

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Yeah - and **** all the homosexuals, Muslims, and Jews in the USA too. They aren't the majority! Only zippy pinheads talk about minority rights or nation's rights. The Confederacy was right too. If they wanted to form their own slave nations they certainly had a right to do so! Actually, all governments should be eliminated and each person's own property declared an independent country.

You know, like Russia has had in the Crimea, there is a real danger of white people ceasing to the majority in the USA. It's long overdue to kill off at least 10 or 20,000,000 non-whites like Russia did to maintain a white majority - so white people can continue to claim majority rule like Russia does to non-whites in Crimea.

Hell, don't let anyone say you aren't tough about your race! There's a website called Stromfront. You might it really cool and with people of a like mind. I wouldn't be so welcome there myself.

Tigger said:

Absolutely NOTHING. It's not our problem. There are no American citizens being held hostage there that I'm aware of. It's not our problem. Let the EU, UN, and whatever other international organizations want to stick their nose into it, deal with it themselves. No American interest = No American involvement. At least that's the way it SHOULD work.

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Right on Tigger!

You are full of surprises! Kudos to you!

You may want to talk some sense into your "very conservative," compadres. They can't seem to resist supporting a good ol', bloody, costly war.

You are 100% correct on this one Tigger!