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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?


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Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Would he be liable for any of the hospital bills in this case?

They're not married, after all.

Doesn't matter. Her body, her bills.

Women want to play this game, so I'll see that they don't backtrack and move goalposts. Bunch of f'n ingrates.
 
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If she doesn't want him involved, then that should exclude ALL of him, including his checkbook.

I've got to agree. I wouldn't pay for any part of the delivery under these circumstances.

If she wants to bar me from the room out of spite, that's fine. It's her right.

However, if the birth is going to be exclusively her experience, and our relationship is estranged anyway, she'd better believe that it's going to be exclusively her bill as well.
 
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I've got to agree. I wouldn't pay for any part of the delivery under these circumstances.

If she wants to bar me from the room out of spite, that's fine. It's her right.

However, if the birth is going to be exclusively her experience, and our relationship is estranged anyway, she'd better believe that it's going to be exclusively her bill as well.

Well, now the women are gonna hate you. Shame on you for growing a spine.
 
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Well, now the women are gonna hate you. Shame on you for growing a spine.

It'd be one thing if we were married, or still in a decent relationship, and she could provide a good reason for why I shouldn't be there.

But some bitchy ex-girlfriend who's made it abundantly clear that she doesn't want anything to do with me?

Yea... No dice. "Quid pro quo," I'm afraid.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sort of a sucker that way, so I might very well offer to help her out just because.

However, expecting it to be an "obligation" is flatly ridiculous.
 
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Nature's got to trick you gals into popping those little buggers out somehow.

"Survival of the species," and all that. :lol:

You are probably right! Most women aren't masochistically inclined, so something blots out the remembrance of the pain! I do confess to wondering why in hell I didn't ask to have a caesarian section, though! :lamo: They probably wouldn't have done it, since there was no reason to do a surgical procedure just because I was a whoossie! I just shouldn't have listened to all the horror stories I heard from "well-meaning" people! When I mentioned those to my doctor, she told me to ignore them, since I was young and healthy and she would see to it that I would be just fine. She was angry! :2mad:

Greetings, Gathomas88. :2wave:
 
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I believe the father should have that right, but with the condition he stay out of the way in case of any emergency.
 
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It'd be one thing if we were married, or still in a decent relationship, and she could provide a good reason for why I shouldn't be there.

Some bitchy ex-girlfriend who's made it abundantly clear that she doesn't want anything to do with me?

Yea... No dice. "Quid pro quo," I'm afraid.

I'm sort of a sucker that way, so I might very well offer to help her out just because. However, expecting it to be an "obligation" is flatly ridiculous.

It'll be a tough sell. Women have a history of law, society, and testicularly-challenged men bending over backward to kiss their every boo-boo, real or imagined. That genie is way out of the bottle, and stuffing her back in will be Herculean in task.

Hell, look at all the entitlement from women on this thread - vesper excluded.
 
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It's the law speaking out of both sides of its mouth. Let's put it this way - if a woman is 9 months pregnant and she is killed by someone with intent, that person goes on trial for two counts of murder. Is a "partial birth abortion" legal? I'm pretty sure it's illegal in all 50 states these days (not to mention being a gruesome procedure, I've heard). After a certain point, the fetus is no longer the woman's "possession", but an individual unto himself/herself. It is considered a human being, by law.

They just don't want to recognize that because, well, it's just a father. Not like they really matter.

The "Unborn Victims Act" makes clear that the fetus hasn't been granted any rights per se. A fetus that loses its life during the commission of a criminal act is labeled in a specific legal way so as not to imply rights. That law is more about "retribution" as opposed to "interests".

Partial Birth Abortion Act doesn't create rights for the fetus. It lessens the rights of a pregnant woman. But partial birth abortions historically are rare. Most doctors won't perform them unless the fetus is severely malformed, dead, or the woman's life or long-term well being is in serious danger.

A fetus that reaches the magic developmental stage of "Viability" still doesn't isn't given rights or considered to be a legal person. Again, a woman's rights are reduced as opposed to fetal rights given or increased.

Soooo...The states interests or the interests man who is the co-conceived the fetus are very limited to impose legal force to override a woman's fundamental rights of privacy, bodily integrity, and self-determination. Until a fetus is brought forth from the woman's body, which at that moment the fetus is recognized as a child, a relationship between the child and other persons must be mediated by her and/or the court if necessary.
 
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You are probably right! Most women aren't masochistically inclined, so something blots out the remembrance of the pain! I do confess to wondering why in hell I didn't ask to have a caesarian section, though! :lamo: They probably wouldn't have done it, since there was no reason to do a surgical procedure just because I was a whoossie! I just shouldn't have listened to all the horror stories I heard from "well-meaning" people! When I mentioned those to my doctor, she told me to ignore them, since I was young and healthy and she would see to it that I would be just fine. She was angry! :2mad:

Greetings, Gathomas88. :2wave:

Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

Honestly, women have so many different hormones and endorphins coursing through their systems just before, during, and after delivery that it really shouldn't be surprising their state of consciousness for and remembrance of the event might wind up being more than a little bit "altered."

Thank God for small miracles, I guess. I'd hate to see what childbirth would be like without them! :lol:
 
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Of course not. It's only his child.

They should keep stripping men and fathers of rights. Maybe some of them will get a clue and not tie themselves down and slit their own throats.

He is not being stripped of a right, he has never had this right and quite rightly. The delivery itself is the mothers moment to do her job.
 
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It's his child too!

What the HELL......!?

Yes, but that does not give him the right, especially when mother and father are split up and estranged, to be in the delivery room. There is no legal basis for that and I also do not think there is a moral one.
 
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I'm sure there are plenty of women who DO actually care. Doesn't matter if they had a sexual relationship in the past. That does NOT mean she wants him seeing her in that condition.

It doesn't matter what you personally think of their relationship or the reasons WHY the woman ended up pregnant. The bottom line is that she is now pregnant and does not wish for this person to be present in the delivery room with her. Perhaps he was abusive to her or is just a jerk? Maybe she thought he was a nice guy at first, and then his true colors showed. It seems that a lot of people have very naive ideas about relationships, or because they had a good relationship that everyone else does too. Well that's just not the case.

There are studies that show it damages a couple's sexual relationship afterward...short and long term.

Not to mention it's often videoed. Ugh.
 
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Maybe, but from all we have to go on, there is nothing to suggest that. The only thing the man seems interested in is the child.

Well maybe the only thing she seems interested in is having her baby in peace, for the healthiest outcome for both?
 
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There wasnt any way to argue that, I knew that when I wrote it.

Reminds me of the time we were in a thread about women disrespecting men 'these days' and I asked how many men in the thread had ever lied to get sex....and you freaked out on how 'unfair it was, that it was a trick question that no man could answer honestly and not look bad.' lololol
 
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Good points Polgara, however, the child they created together is here now. Even though they are Ex they have something that will always connect them. She can no longer use the delivery room as an excuse to avoid reality. Let the lawsuits begin!

If EITHER wants to be a decent parent, they will work things out, without the kid ever knowing, and do what's best for the kid.


Yeah....I'm sure that fantasy happens occasionally. :roll: Just not nearly often enough.
 
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There wasnt any way to argue that, I knew that when I wrote it.

Reminds me of the time we were in a thread about women disrespecting men 'these days' and I asked how many men in the thread had ever lied to get sex....and you freaked out on how 'unfair it was, that it was a trick question that no man could answer honestly and not look bad.' lololol

What was I supposed to say? That the man isn't the one pregnant and dealing with the pregnancy? Does that little fact somehow make it not both their child throughout the pregnancy?

Nothing you said changes the facts, so yeah, the answer is "really".
 
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Why would you think she is using the delivery room to avoid reality? The privacy issue nails it. But the fact that his presence may cause her to become more stressed and unfocused is not selfish. It is for the sake of the baby. Their baby.

LMAO Exactly.

I'm pretty sure that the delivery room is the 'realest' place a woman ever has to deal with in her life. Life or death, immense pain and terrible fear and incredible joy...and the ultimate *unknown* until that child is safely delivered and healthy.
 
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What was I supposed to say? That the man isn't the one pregnant and dealing with the pregnancy? Does that little fact somehow make it not both their child throughout the pregnancy?

Nothing you said changes the facts, so yeah, the answer is "really".

You could have agreed, graciously. Conceding a point like a man.
 
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Yes, men have been jilted and things aren't changing fast enough. In fact today the attitude of some women have gotten so crass toward men that now they see them as insignificant. She bought the lie that she could do it all on her own. And now decades later we live in a society full of kids who don't even know their father and tend to be those at high risk for destructive behavior which affects us all. Where once men felt it was useless to try and fight for custody are doing so. BRAVO for them. I see more men walking around with diaper bags toting their kids than ever before. It's nothing to see a car seat in the back of a BMW these days.


There have been thousands of years where kids didnt know their fathers...seriously. And THOSE mothers were **** outta luck. As were their 'bastards.' Both were ostracized by society, often lacking decent employment, denied many opportunities, and living in poverty.

Sorry, I dont see things worse today, not by a long shot.
 
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Doesn't matter. Her body, her bills.

Women want to play this game, so I'll see that they don't backtrack and move goalposts. Bunch of f'n ingrates.

I agree but I didnt read anything about her asking for him to pay her bills.
 
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You could have agreed, graciously. Conceding a point like a man.

Considering that your point does nothing towards mine, sure, I concede the point, for whatever that is worth.
 
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It'll be a tough sell. Women have a history of law, society, and testicularly-challenged men bending over backward to kiss their every boo-boo, real or imagined. That genie is way out of the bottle, and stuffing her back in will be Herculean in task.

Hell, look at all the entitlement from women on this thread - vesper excluded.

We are seeking entitlement because we support her right to keep her whoo hoo private? Man, our expectations are low....we should try for the right to vote or sumthin'.
 
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Yeah it appears women have a lot of rights.

They have the right to not have the baby even if the man wants his child.
They have the right to have the baby even when the man doesn't want the child and force the man to pay child support for it.
They have the right to have the child and put it up for adoption denying the father the right to his own child.
And now she has the right not to have the father in the delivery room when giving birth.

Here's hoping in the near future a few judges remember men have rights too.

1. it is not his child, it is her body and thus she can decide what she wants to do with whatever grows inside her

2. if the man did not want to run the risk of having a child he should have used protection. If he did not want to use a condom he had 2 other choices, not have sex or had a vasectomy. If you have unprotected sex you run the risk of making a woman pregnant, that is just like rolling the dice in the casino, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. Your bad.

3. I am not sure but I have read that sometimes men can do something about the woman putting it up for adoption but I am not sure about that.

4. And she always had the right for that because there is no legal right of a man to be present in the delivery room against the womans will.

Men have rights when it comes to their offspring, forcing a woman to let her into her medical treatment/delivery room is not a right and judges will always side with the woman because of 2 things:

1. she has the law on her side, he has not

2. it is for the good of both mother and baby (and with that in the end also for the prospective father) that she has a delivery free from unwanted stress and distractions like some ex-creep selfish jerk estranged partner demanding to play peeping tom while she lies on a table having her/his baby.
 
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1. it is not his child, it is her body and thus she can decide what she wants to do with whatever grows inside her

Really? Was she able to create that life on her own? The answer is NO.
2. if the man did not want to run the risk of having a child he should have used protection. If he did not want to use a condom he had 2 other choices, not have sex or had a vasectomy. If you have unprotected sex you run the risk of making a woman pregnant, that is just like rolling the dice in the casino, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. Your bad.
And then again a woman who allows herself to get involved in a sexual relationship with no commitment and is stupid enough to not protect herself since she is the one that will ultimately carry the child for 9 months and go through the delivery process could be deemed as a real idiot.
3. I am not sure but I have read that sometimes men can do something about the woman putting it up for adoption but I am not sure about that.
Depends on where you live. Men often find themselves thinking they are going to be a father then the mother doesn't want to be a mother so the baby goes up for adoption without the father's knowledge. How f-ing selfish of any woman that would do that, not allowing the father the opportunity to raise their own child?
4. And she always had the right for that because there is no legal right of a man to be present in the delivery room against the womans will.
Yes she does, but what a f-ing bitch to deny the father of her child, estranged or not that right! My Gawd, the number of kids born today that many of the mothers don't know who the father is and this guy was real sure he was the daddy.
Men have rights when it comes to their offspring, forcing a woman to let her into her medical treatment/delivery room is not a right and judges will always side with the woman because of 2 things:

1. she has the law on her side, he has not

2. it is for the good of both mother and baby (and with that in the end also for the prospective father) that she has a delivery free from unwanted stress and distractions like some ex-creep selfish jerk estranged partner demanding to play peeping tom while she lies on a table having her/his baby.

Yada Yada Yada. Facts are men are jilted everyday with anything related to a woman's pregnancy. Her body her choice. Got it. Even though she couldn't produce that child on her own. It took a man's donation of himself. Yet the woman can have this right to end a pregnancy of a child that a man helped create. He loses. She has the right to have a baby when a man does not want one and be faced with 18 years of child support. What's wrong with this picture?
 
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Exactly. The woman's body is the one in danger. The man is in NO danger during a delivery. Women die during childbirth. Do men? No, they do not. Delivery can be potentially dangerous. It's not a friggin party where anyone can just show up, doesn't matter WHO it is.

What will be next? Granny in there, Granddad too, mother in law, father in law, mother, father, granddad of the father, grandmother of the father, brother, sister, sister in law, brother in law, aunties, uncles, sons and daughters. Why not have the whole even catered? Throwing the plates like a good old Greek dinner party when the baby comes out? Have a bar in there why don't you so that everybody can get their drunk on during all those boring hours where the mother has to lie there in labor pain. Why not add some computer games, wifi so that people can use their mobile phones to do some whatsapping and facebooking, install TV screens so that the next world cup game or superbowl can be watched by all during the "dull" labor wait.

Let's be a bit normal, one woman giving birth, a medical team and 1 or 2 people to support the mother during her difficult times when she is trying to give birth to her child.
 
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