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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?


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Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Do you have facts that prove that having a father in the room increases the chances of birth complications?

Statistics please?

Additional:

Approved by the BabyCentre Medical Advisory Board

'Why do I need to relax in labour?

Being relaxed in labour offers lots of benefits. Your body will work better if you're relaxed. The hormones that will help your labour to progress, and those which help you to cope with labour, will be released more readily. This means you'll have more energy for your baby's birth, and your baby may cope better with labour.

The main hormone that helps you to labour effectively is called oxytocin. It shapes the frequency, length and strength of your contractions, and works best if you feel calm, safe and relaxed. It's sometimes called the hormone of love, labour and lactation, because it's involved in each of these parts of our lives.

As your labour gets stronger, your body will produce higher levels of endorphins, known as the feel-good hormones. These are your body's natural opiates, which alleviate pain, and will help you to cope with your contractions. They can also regulate the strength of your labour, slowing things down when it gets too intense.

Endorphins can also alter your perception of time and help you to zone out from what's going on around you, which is no bad thing for labour.
What happens if I feel stressed?

It's natural to feel a bit anxious. But if you feel very stressed it can interfere with your labour. Stress and anxiety make your body produce fight-or-flight hormones, such as adrenaline. These stress hormones may:
Reduce blood flow to your uterus (womb).
Suppress the release of oxytocin.
Slow your first stage of labour down.

Whenever you feel stressed and anxious your muscles tense up. If that tension isn't released, and goes on for too long, you'll become tired and will waste precious resources.

Keeping stress hormones at bay during early labour will encourage your body to produce more oxytocin and help your labour to progress.

Staying relaxed means your muscles are loose, making it easier for you to breathe more rhythmically. This allows you and your baby get more oxygen.'

Relaxation in labour - BabyCentre


And the above was just from a quick Google on the subject.

So...once again...

Are you saying that having a father in the room during delivery - against the mother's wishes - will increase the chances of birth problems by zero percent? Yes or no, please?

And are you saying that the healthy birth of the child should not be the ONLY consideration? Yes or no, please?
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

As soon as you answer my INCREDIBLY simple questions - I will be pleased to answer yours.

But I am guessing the former will not be any time soon.


Good day.

Answer mine and I'll answer yours.

My point was that you have zero ability to prove that the mere presence of a unwanted person in the room during a delivery barring any prior indication of high blood pressure or other verifiable medical history with the mother, is nothing but sheer speculation on your part. If you have facts to the contrary, the burden is on you to provide them.
 
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Additional:

Approved by the BabyCentre Medical Advisory Board

'Why do I need to relax in labour?

Being relaxed in labour offers lots of benefits. Your body will work better if you're relaxed. The hormones that will help your labour to progress, and those which help you to cope with labour, will be released more readily. This means you'll have more energy for your baby's birth, and your baby may cope better with labour.

The main hormone that helps you to labour effectively is called oxytocin. It shapes the frequency, length and strength of your contractions, and works best if you feel calm, safe and relaxed. It's sometimes called the hormone of love, labour and lactation, because it's involved in each of these parts of our lives.

As your labour gets stronger, your body will produce higher levels of endorphins, known as the feel-good hormones. These are your body's natural opiates, which alleviate pain, and will help you to cope with your contractions. They can also regulate the strength of your labour, slowing things down when it gets too intense.

Endorphins can also alter your perception of time and help you to zone out from what's going on around you, which is no bad thing for labour.
What happens if I feel stressed?

It's natural to feel a bit anxious. But if you feel very stressed it can interfere with your labour. Stress and anxiety make your body produce fight-or-flight hormones, such as adrenaline. These stress hormones may:
Reduce blood flow to your uterus (womb).
Suppress the release of oxytocin.
Slow your first stage of labour down.

Whenever you feel stressed and anxious your muscles tense up. If that tension isn't released, and goes on for too long, you'll become tired and will waste precious resources.

Keeping stress hormones at bay during early labour will encourage your body to produce more oxytocin and help your labour to progress.

Staying relaxed means your muscles are loose, making it easier for you to breathe more rhythmically. This allows you and your baby get more oxygen.'

Relaxation in labour - BabyCentre


And the above was just from a quick Google on the subject.

So...once again...

Are you saying that having a father in the room during delivery - against the mother's wishes - will increase the chances of birth problems by zero percent? Yes or no, please?

And are you saying that the healthy birth of the child should not be the ONLY consideration? Yes or no, please?

Seriously? You are going to use a google search to a site that makes money from baby product advertisements as your scholarly proof?

Thanks for the chuckle.
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Answer mine and I'll answer yours.

My point was that you have zero ability to prove that the mere presence of a unwanted person in the room during a delivery barring any prior indication of high blood pressure or other verifiable medical history with the mother, is nothing but sheer speculation on your part. If you have facts to the contrary, the burden is on you to provide them.

1) See directly above your post. It's not a poll...but it's from a medical advisory board. IT's not proof - it's just a little evidence...whereas you have provided ZIP to the contrary.

2) I am not playing this childish (I will only answer your first question if you ask my second question) game.

If you can not even get it together enough to answer two, simple, 'yes or no' questions - then you are not worth wasting my time on this subject with.


Good day.
 
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Been in the room for three deliveries, so I'm not exactly without any experience. My mother was also a labor and delivery nurse (RN- registered nurse) for 25 years, so I've heard a boatload of stories, but don't even ask me what her opinion is of 'midwives' is.

But allow me to ask you this: based on your vast experience is a nuchal cord (umbilical cord around the neck) caused by a father being in the room? Just curious?

Silly question which is obviously meant to sideline the current direction of this discussion. The simple reality would be that the "Father in the room" saved the child from suffocation by being there....but he was ASKED to be there by the mother giving birth.
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Answer mine and I'll answer yours.

My point was that you have zero ability to prove that the mere presence of a unwanted person in the room during a delivery barring any prior indication of high blood pressure or other verifiable medical history with the mother, is nothing but sheer speculation on your part. If you have facts to the contrary, the burden is on you to provide them.

Would you be comfortable with an ex watching you get a colonoscopy? What if you specifically stated you did not want here there, but they invited her in anyway?
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

1) See directly above your post. It's not a poll...but it's from a medical advisory board. IT's not proof - it's just a little evidence...whereas you have provided ZIP to the contrary.

2) I am not playing this childish (I will only answer your first question if you ask my second question) game.

If you can not even get it together enough to answer two, simple, 'yes or no' questions - then you are not worth wasting my time on this subject with.


Good day.

That is not evidence of anything from a commercial website. Without any reference to actual medical studies it would not count as much more than opinion. There have been studies on how stress affects pregnancy, but that is in the development of the fetus.

If you have something scholarly to add to make your point I am willing to read it.
 
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Would you be comfortable with an ex watching you get a colonoscopy? What if you specifically stated you did not want here there, but they invited her in anyway?

When you say "colonoscopy" do you mean when they stick a camera up your backside, or do you mean it as a euphemism for the birth of a child that the parent wanted to be present for?

How is colonoscopy equal to that?
 
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Giving birth is emotionally and physically exhausting, a traumatic event. It's only been in recent years where hospitals have, due to overwhelming requests by birthing mothers who wanted their husbands/SO's to support them through childbirth, that these men have even been allowed in the sterile environment of a birthing suite.

Roll forward a decade or so, and suddenly the poor woman in the throes of labor finds herself surrounded by two sets of grandparents, both with video film rolling, a few siblings, even a niece and nephew because their parents wanted them to "witness the miracle of birth" at the poor mother-to-be's expense. She doesn't want any of this, but in between contractions can't get a word in edgewise because the damned room is wall to wall people, all laughing, giggling, having a party while she endures some of the most excruciating pain of her life.

Does this sound farfetched? It's not. I have several friends/acquaintances who found themselves in just such a predicament during their own childbirth process. That scenario is one of the reasons that the hospitals now insist on a list approved by the mother of just who is allowed to be in the delivery room, and limits the number of people on that list.

This man and this woman created a child together, but when it comes to carrying that child to term and expelling it through the birth canal, the woman is quite frankly on her own. After the child is born, after mother and baby have been medically examined and pronounced healthy, then the baby can and is seen by other family members, which in this case included the child's biological father.

All this donning of hair shirts and beating of chests is based only on the desire by some that men be allowed to control every facet of the woman's child-bearing process...control being the operative word here. It is silly, particularly since the people involved were estranged and didn't even like each other, and those who make such an argument appear to have their own gender agenda going on, and the well-being of the woman in labor, and by rote the child she is birthing, are quite clearly not part of that agenda.

The fact of the matter is that men have virturally no control at all. Men are generally made to feel that they have no rights when it comes to children. There are even some women who are now promoting the idea that men aren't even necessary for procreation itself. So let's not pretend that in the world of procreation that women are the victims because men are about to become the masters of the universe. It's not even remotely close to being true by a light year.
 
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You want to talk nature and natural parts? Did it not take two to make the baby? Yes some women are bitches, I'd add the woman in this story to that category. I also see men's rights eroding on several counts because women have been allowed to be placed at the level of god over the fetus. She now has the power to determine what child will live and which ones will die even though she does not have the power to create a fetus on her own.

It doesn't matter how the baby was made. The baby is inside the mother up until she/he is delivered and that means that her comfort and state of mind during the delivery is much more important than the father's selfish desire to witness the delivery.

And I and many others disagree that this woman is a bitch for not allowing him in the room. I have been in labor twice and could not imagine having someone in the room with me that would make me uncomfortable during that time, especially someone who would serve no purpose there at all, because he certainly wasn't going to be comforting her and he can't help the doctors or nurses.
 
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It hasn't been all that long ago that most women gave birth at home and not uncommon to have dad right there helping in the delivery. Today it is called a "medical procedure". By the 1940's, about half of deliveries were done in the hospital. But with the increase of hospital births came the increase in complaints from fathers and mothers on the isolated delivery process. The woman was admitted, taken to a room where she was shaved, given an enema and placed in a labor room often left alone for long periods of time until ready to give birth. If anything would cause undo stress, it would be that scenario feeling completely isolated. So the policies in hospitals allowing fathers into the labor room/delivery room started changing clear back in the 40's in a big part because of how men felt about being forced to sit it out in a waiting room. I do see an ever growing erosion of men's rights when it pertains to anything to do with a pregnancy that they were a part in creating.

And if she had given birth at her own home, then he could get charged with trespassing had he tried to enter the home without her permission for the birth. He would have no more right to see the birth at home than in the hospital.

As for deliveries at home in the past, most men were still not in the room when midwives delivered. And men were not typically allowed in the room, it was considered a place for females.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_role_in_childbirth

Heck, I have something from an obstetrician that says no men should be in the delivery room. (Now I don't agree with him totally, but I imagine any benefit I saw having my husband there would definitely not be present in the case of the woman in the link.)

A top obstetrician on why men should NEVER be at the birth of their child | Mail Online

Oh, and according to this guy, it would have been very wrong to give the baby directly to the father first since holding the baby directly after birth helps a mother relax enough to deliver the placenta. (Which actually makes a lot of since to me because I can honestly remember the pain from my first child being born but then that release that came after and the euphoria that came very soon from just holding my little one, even while I was being stitched up.)

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/oct/18/men-birth-labour-baby

Actually this is kinda funny because it suggests that men might even get a very mild form of (what sounds like to me) PTSD from watching childbirth, especially their loved one going through it.
 
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When you say "colonoscopy" do you mean when they stick a camera up your backside, or do you mean it as a euphemism for the birth of a child that the parent wanted to be present for?

How is colonoscopy equal to that?

Birth~ The patient is exposed (both physically and emotionally), while undergoing a very personal and delicate medical procedure, and thus must be allowed the right of privacy.

Colonoscopy~ The patient is exposed (both physically and emotionally), while undergoing a very personal and delicate medical procedure, and thus must be allowed the right of privacy.

Get It!
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

It doesn't matter how the baby was made. The baby is inside the mother up until she/he is delivered and that means that her comfort and state of mind during the delivery is much more important than the father's selfish desire to witness the delivery.

And I and many others disagree that this woman is a bitch for not allowing him in the room. I have been in labor twice and could not imagine having someone in the room with me that would make me uncomfortable during that time, especially someone who would serve no purpose there at all, because he certainly wasn't going to be comforting her and he can't help the doctors or nurses.

I know it doesn't matter to you that it took two to make the baby. And I know you don't recognize the man to have any rights in regard to pregnancy even though you do not have the capacity to create a child on your own. But I bet you expect him to pay for the next 18 years for his part in creating that child. What the guy was asking for was not unreasonable. It obviously was important to him to see his child born or he would not have taken it to court. The woman is a heartless.
 
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I know it doesn't matter to you that it took two to make the baby. And I know you don't recognize the man to have any rights in regard to pregnancy even though you do not have the capacity to create a child on your own. But I bet you expect him to pay for the next 18 years for his part in creating that child. What the guy was asking for was not unreasonable. It obviously was important to him to see his child born or he would not have taken it to court. The woman is a heartless.

AH....I see now. You believe he will be renting the rights in the future, and thus is entitled to forcing the landlord to do as he wishes before the contract is even signed. Very interesting interpretation you got going there.
 
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medical necessity (including the mother's mental well being) trumps the desire of the father to see the baby being born.

I think the judge got it wrong, it has nothing to do with privacy in my book, except so much as that privacy has to do with the mother's emotional as well as physical well being.
 
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I know it doesn't matter to you that it took two to make the baby. And I know you don't recognize the man to have any rights in regard to pregnancy even though you do not have the capacity to create a child on your own. But I bet you expect him to pay for the next 18 years for his part in creating that child. What the guy was asking for was not unreasonable. It obviously was important to him to see his child born or he would not have taken it to court. The woman is a heartless.

No it doesn't because I'm more concerned with how the baby is raised then how many people it took to make that baby. And the man is getting off to a bad start here in already not recognizing that his presence in the delivery room would cause major issues for the mother that could make the birth harder for both the mother and child and for what? Nothing but his selfish desire to see the birth.

My husband and I have created two children and he was in the delivery room for one with me (couldn't be there for the birth of our second unfortunately). He has plenty of rights to our children and he is a wonderful father. However, first of all, my husband was there for me, not to see the birth. In fact, he joked most of the pregnancy that he would rather be outside passing out cigars. And had he reacted badly or behaved toward me inappropriately for the first birth, it wouldn't have mattered about whether he could be in there for the second because I would have asked him to please not be there and barred him if his presence caused me too much stress.

It doesn't matter if it was important to him. What should matter most to him is the health of his child, which during delivery, means worrying about the health of the mother, including how much stress he may be causing her. Boohoo he doesn't get to witness the birth. Many men don't get to do that. Most of them are just plain thankful that they are in their child's life. His reasoning sounds pretty selfish to me.

As for child support, if my husband and I were ever to split up, we would almost certainly share custody and our earning potential is right around the same amount and we will have added relatively the same amount in the future to raising our children, which are key determining factors usually in determining child support. If the courts decided that I deserved child support vice my husband, then I would ensure it went toward my sons, just as I would not have any issue paying him should I be the one making more.
 
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And if she had given birth at her own home, then he could get charged with trespassing had he tried to enter the home without her permission for the birth. He would have no more right to see the birth at home than in the hospital.

As for deliveries at home in the past, most men were still not in the room when midwives delivered. And men were not typically allowed in the room, it was considered a place for females.

Men's role in childbirth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Heck, I have something from an obstetrician that says no men should be in the delivery room. (Now I don't agree with him totally, but I imagine any benefit I saw having my husband there would definitely not be present in the case of the woman in the link.)

A top obstetrician on why men should NEVER be at the birth of their child | Mail Online

Oh, and according to this guy, it would have been very wrong to give the baby directly to the father first since holding the baby directly after birth helps a mother relax enough to deliver the placenta. (Which actually makes a lot of since to me because I can honestly remember the pain from my first child being born but then that release that came after and the euphoria that came very soon from just holding my little one, even while I was being stitched up.)

Men should 'stay away from childbirth' | Life and style | The Observer

Actually this is kinda funny because it suggests that men might even get a very mild form of (what sounds like to me) PTSD from watching childbirth, especially their loved one going through it.

You sure have a hard time giving men credit. Not everyone had access to midwives. Dad's often were the only one around to assist during a birth. Even with 95% of births done in hospitals today, Dad's still find themselves delivering their babies because babies don't always wait. Heck when I was pregnant, my husband and I took a course on what to do just incase something like that were to happen.
 
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No it doesn't because I'm more concerned with how the baby is raised then how many people it took to make that baby. And the man is getting off to a bad start here in already not recognizing that his presence in the delivery room would cause major issues for the mother that could make the birth harder for both the mother and child and for what? Nothing but his selfish desire to see the birth.

My husband and I have created two children and he was in the delivery room for one with me (couldn't be there for the birth of our second unfortunately). He has plenty of rights to our children and he is a wonderful father. However, first of all, my husband was there for me, not to see the birth. In fact, he joked most of the pregnancy that he would rather be outside passing out cigars. And had he reacted badly or behaved toward me inappropriately for the first birth, it wouldn't have mattered about whether he could be in there for the second because I would have asked him to please not be there and barred him if his presence caused me too much stress.

It doesn't matter if it was important to him. What should matter most to him is the health of his child, which during delivery, means worrying about the health of the mother, including how much stress he may be causing her. Boohoo he doesn't get to witness the birth. Many men don't get to do that. Most of them are just plain thankful that they are in their child's life. His reasoning sounds pretty selfish to me.

As for child support, if my husband and I were ever to split up, we would almost certainly share custody and our earning potential is right around the same amount and we will have added relatively the same amount in the future to raising our children, which are key determining factors usually in determining child support. If the courts decided that I deserved child support vice my husband, then I would ensure it went toward my sons, just as I would not have any issue paying him should I be the one making more.

Exactly. Awesome post. From the first post I read in this thread, I got the feeling that this particular guy is a complete selfish jerk. He is trying to force his way into a very personal situation. Thankfully, the ruling was with the mother, and we don't have to worry about this happening to us in the future. I would NOT want a man I didn't like in the delivery room with me. I wouldn't care if he thought I was a "bitch" or not. It's MY medical procedure, my body, and I have the right to say who is in the room with me and who isn't, regardless of what our PAST relationship was.
 
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You sure have a hard time giving men credit. Not everyone had access to midwives. Dad's often were the only one around to assist during a birth. Even with 95% of births done in hospitals today, Dad's still find themselves delivering their babies because babies don't always wait. Heck when I was pregnant, my husband and I took a course on what to do just incase something like that were to happen.

Well yippee!! Apparently this woman is NOT on good terms with the father of her child. If you were in the process of divorcing your husband because he cheated on you with his hot young secretary, you would change your tune.
 
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You sure have a hard time giving men credit. Not everyone had access to midwives. Dad's often were the only one around to assist during a birth. Even with 95% of births done in hospitals today, Dad's still find themselves delivering their babies because babies don't always wait. Heck when I was pregnant, my husband and I took a course on what to do just incase something like that were to happen.

It wasn't generally their first choice if they were delivering the child. And that is even more true today. Just because they have to deliver the child, doesn't mean that is a good thing. Plus, that would also give them a purpose for being there when the child is born instead of just witnessing it.

Fathers in hard labour: 'Being there' during childbirth is not automatically a good thing. David Shannon reports - Life & Style - The Independent

In fact, I would say that mothers, friends, family need to stop pressuring the fathers to be there if the fathers are uncomfortable with it. I am guilty of this too. If they are able to mutually agree that his being there is a positive, then sure, be there. But if either of them doesn't agree, then the father should just stay out of the room til it is over.

I remember how my husband was during the birth of our first and it is one of the few times I saw my husband look very frustrated with the situation (particularly during the 2 hours I was pushing and they started bringing in more doctors) and a little bit scared. He had no desire to see the actual birth. His purpose there was to support me.
 
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It wasn't generally their first choice if they were delivering the child. And that is even more true today. Just because they have to deliver the child, doesn't mean that is a good thing. Plus, that would also give them a purpose for being there when the child is born instead of just witnessing it.

Fathers in hard labour: 'Being there' during childbirth is not automatically a good thing. David Shannon reports - Life & Style - The Independent

In fact, I would say that mothers, friends, family need to stop pressuring the fathers to be there if the fathers are uncomfortable with it. I am guilty of this too. If they are able to mutually agree that his being there is a positive, then sure, be there. But if either of them doesn't agree, then the father should just stay out of the room til it is over.

I remember how my husband was during the birth of our first and it is one of the few times I saw my husband look very frustrated with the situation (particularly during the 2 hours I was pushing and they started bringing in more doctors) and a little bit scared. He had no desire to see the actual birth. His purpose there was to support me.

He probably hated to see you in such pain.
 
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It wasn't generally their first choice if they were delivering the child. And that is even more true today. Just because they have to deliver the child, doesn't mean that is a good thing. Plus, that would also give them a purpose for being there when the child is born instead of just witnessing it.

Fathers in hard labour: 'Being there' during childbirth is not automatically a good thing. David Shannon reports - Life & Style - The Independent

In fact, I would say that mothers, friends, family need to stop pressuring the fathers to be there if the fathers are uncomfortable with it. I am guilty of this too. If they are able to mutually agree that his being there is a positive, then sure, be there. But if either of them doesn't agree, then the father should just stay out of the room til it is over.

I remember how my husband was during the birth of our first and it is one of the few times I saw my husband look very frustrated with the situation (particularly during the 2 hours I was pushing and they started bringing in more doctors) and a little bit scared. He had no desire to see the actual birth. His purpose there was to support me.
I found my spouse to be invaluable during labor. He kept track of the contractions, coached me to breath, rubbed my back during hard contractions, wiped my face with a cool cloth, and the look in his eyes of how much he wished he could take the pain from me if he could was priceless. I'll never forget how excited he would get when he first saw the head and discovered the baby had hair.
 
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He probably hated to see you in such pain.

Oh definitely. He can't stand it and I refused an epidural. He thought I was nuts but still respected my decision. Was pretty proud when the first doc we talked to on admittance came back and said how amazed he was that I actually didn't ask for one. My husband was beaming. You would have thought it was him that refused to get it, but I thought it was cute.
 
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I know it doesn't matter to you that it took two to make the baby. And I know you don't recognize the man to have any rights in regard to pregnancy even though you do not have the capacity to create a child on your own. But I bet you expect him to pay for the next 18 years for his part in creating that child. What the guy was asking for was not unreasonable. It obviously was important to him to see his child born or he would not have taken it to court. The woman is a heartless.

I had a woman ob/gyn. She and I both didn't care if my husband was in the room or not, but he felt he would just be in the way, and opted not to be there. That's probably for the best, since there were times during the labor, especially with my first child, that I entertained thoughts about killing him! :lamo: After my son was delivered, he came with the biggest bunch of roses I had ever seen, and we celebrated starting a family. He and the other dads were out there pacing the floor, and he told me that was one of the worst periods of time he had ever spent, since he felt helpless to help. The old saying about "if men had the babies, they would only have one" is probably true! :shock:

Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:
 
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Oh definitely. He can't stand it and I refused an epidural. He thought I was nuts but still respected my decision. Was pretty proud when the first doc we talked to on admittance came back and said how amazed he was that I actually didn't ask for one. My husband was beaming. You would have thought it was him that refused to get it, but I thought it was cute.

Lol! That is cute.
 
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