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Is Obama the most polarisng President in your liftime?

Has Obama created a bigger gap between the right and left.

  • Yes he has.

    Votes: 18 38.3%
  • No it's the same no matter who the president is

    Votes: 29 61.7%

  • Total voters
    47
Bill Clinton had moderate policies, but his rhetoric was far more partisan and divisive. He was a far more divisive figure.
 
With the advent of the internet, I think each subsequent president will be thought as the most polarising ever. I think the person in charge has little to do with the polarisation.

We will never have the nation-president relationship we once did with an Eisenhower or Kennedy again unless another country's military attacks us.

Whoever wins in 2016 is going to have approximately 50% of the people hating him or her and will chastise the spouse's looks and the ineptness of the freeloading children. Just when you think we couldn't scrape any lower in the barrel they turn it over and find this candidate clinging to the bottom of the barrel. . Mr Speaker. The President of the United States........................argh.
 
Maybe it's time for the US to separate out the roles of Head of State from Head of Government, then your first family can remain above the day-to-day s***storm of government and you get rid of the possibility of gridlock and shut-down.
 
Question is mainly directed to the American posters, Obama brings out some strong emotions from both sides of the US political spectrum. So the question is pretty simple do you think Obama has created a bigger gap between the American left and right or is it still business as usual?

Probably the most unifying presidents in my lifetime in order had to be Eisenhower, JFK and perhaps Reagan. Reagan won over independents and he had a huge chunk of Democrats for him in his Democrats for Reagan. The most divisive, Nixon hands down, not for his first term, but for Watergate. But diehard Democrats hated Nixon ever since he fingered Alger Hiss and the Democratic Leadership had it out for him since then. LBJ ended up being very divisive, but it wasn't along party lines. It was over the war in Vietnam and he had the support of most Republicans. It was the support of a lot of his own party members he lost.

I see some have listed Clinton, but he had the support of his party, of most independents and even after his impeachment and senate trial his approval numbers were in the mid 60's. I wouldn't call that divisive and he worked with the Republican controlled congress to get his agenda passed. The only one I think who would consider him divisive is once again the diehards of the opposition party.

Obama, He is not up there with the Nixon of 1974 for sure. He is not there with LBJ either in 1968. But unlike Clinton, Obama never tried to work with the Republicans in the House and his refusal to even consider it probably has brought about him being looked at as being a divisive president, if not divisive, certainly polarizing. The politics of today has a lot to do with it, this divide and conquer to win elections. Turn rich against poor although the Democrats has been trying this since I can remember. But turning one race against another to the extent it has been done is something new. This idea of making one segment of our population hate another in order to get their votes is what I am referring to here. I think Obama has unified the Democratic Party, but has made the Republican party his enemy and thus united them in opposition to him. Independents are somewhere in the middle, most like the president as a person but think he has done a bad job.

Your real successful presidents have reached across the aisle for someone to work with. IKE did this with LBJ then the senate majority leader. JFK and LBJ did the same with Everitt Dirkson then the Republican Minority Leader. Reagan and Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neal relationship is stuff of legends. Even Clinton worked with Republicans in congress even though they wanted to impeach him. Obama hasn't done this, he remains above the fray. He won't go to the Republican House and say I will give you A, B, C and if you give me D, E, and F. Compromise and give and take have become dirty words today whereas that was how congress operated until him.

Perhaps it was his huge majorities in the president's first two years that convinced him he didn't need any Republican help to accomplish what he wanted. He didn't, but the election of 2010 changed all of that, just like the election of 1994 change Clinton's outlook on congress. But Clinton made adjustments and changed strategy and actually worked across the aisle and got his hands dirty making phone calls to all lawmakers when he thought he needed to. Obama won't touch the phone and views Republicans as enemies of the state, not just the opposition political party that they are.
 
The polarization doesn't materialize at the moment of the vote, it's there during the process leading up to the vote. What materializes during the vote is the degree of polarization. Public polls before the health care reform debate began showed that it was very low in priority - people wanted action on the economy and jobs. The decision to go with health care began the polarization. It intensified with those town hall meetings. It went into overdrive with all of the skullduggery and bribery and dirty tricks and hinky voting procedures. It went into orbit on the straight party line vote.

I think you're confused. Health care reform was not a low priority, and in fact the economic and jobs crisis made access to reliable healthcare that much more important.


Polarizing ≠ enemies of the country.
Treason/traitor = enemies of the country.

Your definition is far outside the scope of this issue.

I don't know what you're trying to say here. What I'm saying is polarizing is the act of certain media that regularly paint the Left as outright enemies of the country. Just turn on am radio for five minutes and you'll know what I'm referring to.
 
I'd wager it comes down between him and Bush, with a slight edge to Obama through no real fault of his own (ditto to Bush really).

For polarization to happen you need strong pull on both sides. That's why I give the slight edge to Obama. In terms of hate, I think you had a similar level of antipathy and hatred on the left towards Bush as you had towards Obama on the right. However, when it comes to admiration and support, I feel there is slightly more on the left for Obama than there was for Bush on the right. There was still enough there for Bush to make it a clear race between the two, and far and away from any others in my life time...but I feel there is a larger support base for Obama than there was Bush which pushes the polarization that much further.

However, that's just the society we live in now. I believe many things help breed a notion of polarization. Take all the pictures we see in regards to the "hate" for any president, that rile up the portions that share that hate and call to arms those that support them.

In 1988, when Bush 41 was elected, the notion of a consumer level "digital camera" was unheard of.

In 1992, when Clinton was elected, it was still rather unheard of. It wasn't until his 1996 re-election that a few had hit the market, like the whopping .3 megapixel Kodak D40 or Sony Cybershot F1. However the notion of putting such a thing in a phone? Blasphemy

In 2000, with the election of Bush 43, it was still unheard of in the US for a PHONE to have a camera. It would not be till the Sanyo SCP-5300 and it’s .3 megapixel capacity capturing 640 x 480 pictures that such a dream was realized.

5 Megapixels in a camera phone didn’t even occur until mid June 2007, in a little used (in the US) Nokia phone.

Combine that with the rise of Social Networks. The notion of recording some nutballs at a rally and throwing it up on the internet in 1998 would’ve been difficult for the average person to pull off, poor in quality, and even then would likely see very little views. In 2004, facebook was barely beginning to make inroads with a few college aged kids and myspace was largely a youth driven venture. Twitter, and the instant notification and gratification experience it presents, didn’t really begin to significantly take off till 2008.

The more access people have to share their views and thoughts the greater ability for others vocalize their support or disagreement. The more ability to capture and highlight polarizing actions and figures to tie them together, the more combative the situation can be.

I think, thanks to technology, we’ve created a recipe for an ever increasing polarization to occur. Combine that with the unique situation with President Obama regarding the historical ramifications of his Presidency and the near “pop culture” type of movement that his 2008 candidacy created, and you have a situation where that polarization can be ramped even higher because of the greater width of emotions between those on the positive side and those on the negative.
 
Not by a long shot and those that continue this mantra along with "our country has never been more divided since the civil war" are simply incorrect and ignorant of history.

I often find one of many Conservatives biggest issues is putting things in proper context.

That's funny. I often find one of Obama's biggest issues is putting things in proper context.
 
He's not polarizing because of anything he's done. The right-wingers have ramped up the hate train to unprecedented levels. It started before the Obama was even sworn into office.

Bingo!

I think Obama has gone out of his way to be accomodating on many fronts. But there is only so much one can do before they just throw up their arms and tell the hater's to all go get ****ed.
 
It's a worthwhile argument between him and Bush. I think the only reason he's above Bush is because of the unearned Nobel Prize he got while the ballot ink was still wet. That really set the ball rolling in many ways.
 
Bill Clinton had moderate policies, but his rhetoric was far more partisan and divisive. He was a far more divisive figure.

I seem to remember most of the viotrol and divisiveness, back in the Clinton era, coming from the Gengrich camp. You know, the Ken Starr witch hunt? Remember?
 
It's a worthwhile argument between him and Bush. I think the only reason he's above Bush is because of the unearned Nobel Prize he got while the ballot ink was still wet. That really set the ball rolling in many ways.

Talk about reaching. Even Obama said he didn't deserve that prize.
 
Immaterial. The fact that he got it still got the conservative machine rolling.

That is a rather selective (and imaginative) memory you have.
 
It was really bizarre how quickly it took place as well.

January 20th 2009 everyone and their ****ing dog suddenly were "Constitutionalists" and you got crap like this:

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If you think this stuff started January 2009, your memory doesn't go back very far.

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I seem to remember most of the viotrol and divisiveness, back in the Clinton era, coming from the Gengrich camp. You know, the Ken Starr witch hunt? Remember?
The rhetoric came from both sides, and both sides were worse than they are now.
 
Immaterial. The fact that he got it still got the conservative machine rolling.
So then conservatives are the cause of the division. Because Obama had no control over whether or not he got the Nobel Prize. So we can confirm that conservatives are willing to divide the nation regardless of anything Obama does or doesn't do, their aim is division.
 
So then conservatives are the cause of the division. Because Obama had no control over whether or not he got the Nobel Prize. So we can confirm that conservatives are willing to divide the nation regardless of anything Obama does or doesn't do, their aim is division.

Nice try. It's all rabid fringers. For Bush, it was the "Bush lied, kids died!" liberal loons that caused the polarization, not to mention the dumbest idiots of America laying blame at Bush's doorstep for everything from the subprime crash to "too big to fail" and everything in-between.

If you're going to castigate one side of the aisle, make sure you give equal time to the other.
 
I think in today's politics, people have to hate an opponent to get excited about their own parties candidate. They're just not a lot of good picks running.
 
I think in today's politics, people have to hate an opponent to get excited about their own parties candidate. They're just not a lot of good picks running.

"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth."

My main man B-Gold said those words. He was right.
 
"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth."

My main man B-Gold said those words. He was right.


Heaven help us from well intentioned people. They don't when their rights end and ours begin.
 
Heaven help us from well intentioned people. They don't when their rights end and ours begin.

Well, you know what the road to hell is paved with.

It's why I prefer results to intentions.
 
Nice try. It's all rabid fringers. For Bush, it was the "Bush lied, kids died!" liberal loons that caused the polarization, not to mention the dumbest idiots of America laying blame at Bush's doorstep for everything from the subprime crash to "too big to fail" and everything in-between.

If you're going to castigate one side of the aisle, make sure you give equal time to the other.
Bush was also a bad president, but he's considered bad for the actual things he did and had control over.
 
Bush was also a bad president, but he's considered bad for the actual things he did and had control over.

Also? Well, at least you're considering Obama a bad president. You were sounding like a rank-and-file ultra-lib for a while.
 
I think in today's politics, people have to hate an opponent to get excited about their own parties candidate. They're just not a lot of good picks running.

I was very excited for Gary Johnson's presidential run. I hated neither Romney or Obama. Ok I think I hated Romney but that's because he wasn't even trying to hide the fact that he was a habitual liar but that might have been the frustration that he beat out Gary Johnson for the Republican nod.
 
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