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E-cigarettes: fresh air or smoke and mirrors?

What do you think of E-Cigs

  • They're a public nuisance.

    Votes: 4 12.9%

  • They should be outlawed.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • They should be regulated heavier.

    Votes: 4 12.9%

  • E-cig's, no big deal.

    Votes: 19 61.3%

  • Only for tobacco replacement.

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • My choice isn't here.

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Total voters
    31
sKiTzo said:
Even though your mind appears to be a closed loop, I'm absolutely positive you have some vice. Coffee, sex, gambling, under-aged girls, over-eating?
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So tell us why you started smoking.
 
grip said:
E-cigs are becoming a real controversy with the tobacco police. They are a nicotine replacement system and probably as addictive, but are they a serious health problem?

Personally, I got off a 25yr smoking habit using one for a month, but that's not what everyone does with them. For those who replace a damaging tobacco habit, they're good, but how many new, young users are starting that might or might not have used cigarettes?

That's the real question?
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I've heard of E-cigs but I didn't realize it was recreational.
 
MaggieD said:
But selling nicotine on the side? Throw that guy in jail.
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That nicotine "on the side" is intended to be used in vaporizers. There are "e-cigs" that are intended to simulate the look and feel of traditional cigarettes, and then there are vaporizers -- contraptions that can resemble cell phones or fancified ball point pens (or, in some cases light sabers) -- that are more of a do-it-yourself kind of arrangement. With vaporizers, you generally put together your own rig to fit your own specifications, then after that you occasionally replace the heating coil and regularly refill it with a liquid that contains nicotine.

That "on the side" stuff is what I'd be buying if I didn't get mine through the mail. It's no reason to bust anybody.
 
grip said:
E-cigs are becoming a real controversy with the tobacco police. They are a nicotine replacement system and probably as addictive, but are they a serious health problem?

Personally, I got off a 25yr smoking habit using one for a month, but that's not what everyone does with them. For those who replace a damaging tobacco habit, they're good, but how many new, young users are starting that might or might not have used cigarettes?

That's the real question?
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E-cigs are already saving 1000's of lives by getting people off smoking. As far as new users they are less likely to attract young users than the real thing so until they ban real cigs, I'de say it is a non-issue.
 
sneakosview said:
I've heard of E-cigs but I didn't realize it was recreational.
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Oh yeah, leave it to today's generation to start a new shop you can waste your parents money in. ;)
 
After Cats, Ecigs are tied for second place with GPS navigators for the best things that ever happened for me.

I vape everywhere but very discreetly and I bother nobody nor have I been addressed over the issue. You can not police vaping because there is no evidence. But that doesn't mean you need to be a showoff either.

Theoretically, the gubmint should love Ecigs because die-hard smokers like me finally quit making smoke clouds. But we must have more rules. So, they are in conflict with themselves. Idiots.
 
Gipper said:
So tell us why you started smoking.
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We'd been training in the field for two weeks with another couple weeks to go. MREs were in short supply, it was cold and everyone was out of dry uniforms. We were really at the edge of exhaustion. Of course, we still had to pull guard duty, which meant waking up in the middle of the night to pull guard for a couple hours and then trying to grab an hour or two of sleep before move/ambush in the morning. I was so cold and so miserable.

The guy who woke me up for my shift offered me a cig. He said it would make me feel warm and it would help me stay awake for my shift. Well, it did. I got through that guard shift with no problem and used a cig each following night to fend off shaking from the cold and falling asleep from exhaustion.

Then I would smoke when drinking at bars.

Then I would smoke all the time.

Almost 20 years went by, smoking.


E-cigs ended cigs for me, and they've ended cigs for a few of my friends.
 
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soot said:
It isn't my business, your business, or certainly not the gubmint's business, what people put in their bodies.
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And that's really what it comes down to. Unfortunately, in our NSA days, everything is everyone's business it seems. Can't do **** in this country anymore because everything is a lawsuit or a law.
 
Ikari said:
And that's really what it comes down to. Unfortunately, in our NSA days, everything is everyone's business it seems. Can't do **** in this country anymore because everything is a lawsuit or a law.
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If the health of the population is not the govt. business then what is? It seems to me there is no country without people.
 
iguanaman said:
If the health of the population is not the govt. business then what is? It seems to me there is no country without people.
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A government which does not ban the sale of alcohol and tobacco has no business whatsoever banning or over-regulating vaporizers.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
A government which does not ban the sale of alcohol and tobacco has no business whatsoever banning or over-regulating vaporizers.
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Of course not. E-cigs save lives and that is why the FDA is allowing them. Cities that ban them are bowing to pressure from big tobacco and loss of tax money.
 
Gipper said:
So tell us why you started smoking.
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Other people seemed to enjoy it so I tried it and found it to be quite a relaxing ritual of relaxation. It's the additives that make them so toxic so now I alternate between vape and pure tobacco leaf no-additive American Spirit cigs. There's no question that not smoking at all is the optimum choice for your health, but there are plenty of people with high IQ's who choose to smoke.
 
sKiTzo said:
Other people seemed to enjoy it so I tried it and found it to be quite a relaxing ritual of relaxation. It's the additives that make them so toxic so now I alternate between vape and pure tobacco leaf no-additive American Spirit cigs. There's no question that not smoking at all is the optimum choice for your health, but there are plenty of people with high IQ's who choose to smoke.
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I don't consider "subject to coercion easily" as a high-IQ endeavor.

Good thing your buddies didn't convince you to start cutting or knock off a liquor store.
 
iguanaman said:
Of course not. E-cigs save lives and that is why the FDA is allowing them. Cities that ban them are bowing to pressure from big tobacco and loss of tax money.
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The FDA didn't want to allow them. The FDA initially caused large shipments of vaporizers and associated to be held up in customs because they classified them as unapproved medical devices. It was only after they lost in Federal court for failing to prove harm that they were forced to "allow" their importation and sale.
 
iguanaman said:
If the health of the population is not the govt. business then what is? It seems to me there is no country without people.
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The freedom and liberty of the People, that is the charge of government. They must protect and proliferate it. It's the number 1 reason to have government in the first place.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
The FDA didn't want to allow them. The FDA initially caused large shipments of vaporizers and associated to be held up in customs because they classified them as unapproved medical devices. It was only after they lost in Federal court for failing to prove harm that they were forced to "allow" their importation and sale.
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The FDA has been granted complete control of the drug nicotine. They could stop the sale of "juice" containing nicotine without any trouble. They are not. They are also easing regulations on nicotine gum and patches because there is nothing worse for your health than smoking real cigarettes.
 
iguanaman said:
The FDA has been granted complete control of the drug nicotine. They could stop the sale of "juice" containing nicotine without any trouble. They are not. They are also easing regulations on nicotine gum and patches because there is nothing worse for your health than smoking real cigarettes.
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The court battle, and the FDA's attempt to ban the importation of vaporizers, went down prior to the enactment of The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009. Additionally, the FDA has been told by the courts that they must differentiate between "drugs" and "tobacco products." Additionally, TFSPTCA 2009 does not give the FDA "complete control." They can theoretically regulate, insist on labeling, and ban marketing ... and then 3 years passed.
 
radcen said:
Big tobacco, or do-gooder anti-smoking groups?
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Actually it is probably "independent" groups. Tabacco companies would be open to 1000's of lawsuits if their action caused millions of people to start smoking again.
 
radcen said:
Do they carry the same risks to OTHERS that second-hand smoke does? If not, they shouldn't be banned from public use.

That was the whole rationale behind banning real cigarettes in public... harm to others. No harm, no foul.
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Well I know for sure that one of my co-workers uses an e-cig of some sort, and I have yet to be bothered by the smoke as I was with cigarettes.
 
LowDown said:
E-cigs probably greatly reduce the risk of cancer and emphysema compared to cigarettes because smoke and tar are eliminated. But the risk of vascular disease - stroke and heart attack - probably comes in large part from the nicotine, which E-cigs deliver. However, how that risk compares to the risk of those diseases with cigarette smoking isn't known. Cigarette smoke contains >4000 different chemicals, and how they all contribute to the effects of cigarette smoking isn't known. How nicotine acts if it's give by itself to humans isn't clear, but in animals it does cause vascular disease.

If we see a spike up in stroke and heart attack in the community in about 30 years we'll have our answer.
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I have read that the cardiovascular effects of nicotine aren't a problem with a healthy system, if one is prone to cardiovascular disease though it's a definite negative, but then again so is caffeine. The idea behind kids doing the no nicotine route just to "look cool" is kind of dumb IMO but the worst parts of a cigarette go away with the e-cigs and that would be the smoke, tar, and other carcinogens and chemicals. With a lot of the vapor shops opening up though and most offering juice only, no nicotine flavors it's getting to the point where people can get the habit accommodated while weaning themselves off of the addictive substance. I'm all for these things, I think they are a great invention.
 
MaggieD said:
As if most of us needed more. ;)
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It's really a shame the way the city is run politically. A lot of great people with the traditional hard working mid-western attitude, lots of resources and one of the best livestock systems in place.
 
LaMidRighter said:
It's really a shame the way the city is run politically. A lot of great people with the traditional hard working mid-western attitude, lots of resources and one of the best livestock systems in place.
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Lifestock?
 
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