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Where is the plane?

What Happened?

  • Hijacked and landed, demands forthcoming.

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • Blown up in midair.

    Votes: 13 30.2%

  • Critical structural failure leading to a crash.

    Votes: 12 27.9%

  • Alien abduction...a new bremuda triangle.

    Votes: 8 18.6%

  • Bad seafood served...pilots incapacitated.

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • You're nuts....this is what actually happened.

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Total voters
    43
Fenton said:
You ever hear about Eastern Airlines Flight 401 that crashed in the Everglades in the 70s ?

They reused the the Galley Ovens out of it on new L1011's .

From there came one of the most substantiated ghost stories reported in History.
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wut..
 
Fenton said:
You ever hear about Eastern Airlines Flight 401 that crashed in the Everglades in the 70s ?

They reused the the Galley Ovens out of it on new L1011's .

From there came one of the most substantiated ghost stories reported in History.
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Yeah, but most of that was baloney, including the person that said the pilot ghost claimed there would never be another L1011 crash, tell that to the Saudia crew, or the DL crew that crashed at DFW from wind shear. (or, the Oceanic L1011 from "Lost", which was a scrapped DL 1011..:) )
 
Research Eastern Airlines Flight 401.
 
beefheart said:
Yeah, but most of that was baloney, including the person that said the pilot ghost claimed there would never be another L1011 crash, tell that to the Saudia crew, or the DL crew that crashed at DFW from wind shear. (or, the Oceanic L1011 from "Lost", which was a scrapped DL 1011..:) )
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The only reason why it had any credibillity is the fact that crew members reported it including flight crew and the Airline VP.

Pilots aren't ones to make up stories about ghost Captians but at least two, on two seperate aircraft that had components used from that L1011 did report seeing those pilots.

Eastern twound up removing the components that were salvaged and refused to address the issue after that.
 
Fenton said:
The only reason why it had any credibillity is the fact that crew members reported it including flight crew and the Airline VP.

Pilots aren't ones to make up stories about ghost Captians but at least two, on two seperate aircraft that had components used from that L1011 did report seeing those pilots.

Eastern twound up removing the components that were salvaged and refused to address the issue after that.
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Trust me, I know enough pilots that are raving lunatics! Most are good at one thing, flying, but tend not to be the most rational people otherwise, and don't get me started on Flight Attendants..LOL

It was a good story, made a nice TV movie with Ernest Borgnine, but, I don't believe any of it.


BTW, the L1011 was a great plane, but timing killed it, a strike by Rolls Royce put them behind the DC-10, and the spike in fuel killed sales. PSA actually flew them from LAX and SAN to SFO, complete with a lounge that was in the lower area of the front of the plane, under the cockpit. None are flying commercially anymore, but, Orbital Sciences has one that they use as an airborne rocket launcher...which is cool!
 
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The Chinese envied the Bermuda Triangle so they created their own Spratly Triangle in order to rival the US in the supernatural phenomena field. Chinese hegemony.
 
beefheart said:
Trust me, I know enough pilots that are raving lunatics! Most are good at one thing, flying, but tend not to be the most rational people otherwise, and don't get me started on Flight Attendants..LOL

It was a good story, made a nice TV movie with Ernest Borgnine, but, I don't believe any of it.
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Yea Ive met a few myself.

I used to be work as a Mechanic when I got out of High School.

The thing about pilots is they are born to fly. Literally, its all they want to do.

Its a obsession with them and it has to be because its hard work and allot of money getting the hours needed to get into a Big Carrier like United.

I used to run around with the guys that were flying junk Cessna 310s hauling mail to dallas from Houston.
They slept in the Hangers and FBOs and ths nasty little pilot houses where they could rent a bed and get a shower.

But they didnt care. They just wanted to fly.
 
Fenton said:
Yea Ive met a few myself.

I used to be work as a Mechanic when I got out of High School.

The thing about pilots is they are born to fly. Literally, its all they want to do.

Its a obsession with them and it has to be because its hard work and allot of money getting the hours needed to get into a Big Carrier like United.

I used to run around with the guys that were flying junk Cessna 310s hauling mail to dallas from Houston.
They slept in the Hangers and FBOs and ths nasty little pilot houses where they could rent a bed and get a shower.

But they didnt care. They just wanted to fly.
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I used to help hire them, getting the hours was tough for them, especially working at a commuter for $20,000 a year flying. Once they are in, provided their company doesn't go under they are set, the union keeps them in the job. But, there are some real psycho pilots out there, google the FedEx hijacking by a former pilot...scary scary stuff. And the PSA crash with the Bae 146 was a fired employee who went in and shot both pilots in the head and crashed the plane...
 
beefheart said:
I used to help hire them, getting the hours was tough for them, especially working at a commuter for $20,000 a year flying. Once they are in, provided their company doesn't go under they are set, the union keeps them in the job. But, there are some real psycho pilots out there, google the FedEx hijacking by a former pilot...scary scary stuff. And the PSA crash with the Bae 146 was a fired employee who went in and shot both pilots in the head and crashed the plane...
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We had a Lear 23 or 25, I cant remember but it was a air ambulance hangered at our FBO.

It had a little jump seat, and I knew the pilots well enough and once in a while I would fly out to dallas with them.

Well on the way back once the left engine stalled and I wasn't paying attention until the jet started to rotate towards the Dead Engine.

I figured one engines still lit, but they acted like we were going down.

No calls to the last tower or anything but they were pretty convincing and we were losing altitude fast.

So right when they had me convinced the Captain reaches over and restarts the left engine.

And they both start cracking up. ( assholes )

He looked back and told me the left likes to flame out when we exceed our recomended cruising altitude.

So I said " why would you exceed your recommend cruising altitude ? "

He said " We were bored and we wanted to f*** with your head ".....

Jackasses.
 
beefheart said:
Trust me, I know enough pilots that are raving lunatics! Most are good at one thing, flying, but tend not to be the most rational people otherwise, and don't get me started on Flight Attendants..LOL

It was a good story, made a nice TV movie with Ernest Borgnine, but, I don't believe any of it.


BTW, the L1011 was a great plane, but timing killed it, a strike by Rolls Royce put them behind the DC-10, and the spike in fuel killed sales. PSA actually flew them from LAX and SAN to SFO, complete with a lounge that was in the lower area of the front of the plane, under the cockpit. None are flying commercially anymore, but, Orbital Sciences has one that they use as an airborne rocket launcher...which is cool!
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Yea it was. They dubbed it the " WhisperLiner"
 
Fenton said:
We had a Lear 23 or 25, I cant remember but it was a air ambulance hangered at our FBO.

It had a little jump seat, and I knew the pilots well enough and once in a while I would fly out to dallas with them.

Well on the way back once the left engine stalled and I wasn't paying attention until the jet started to rotate towards the Dead Engine.

I figured one engines still lit, but they acted like we were going down.

No calls to the last tower or anything but they were pretty convincing and we were losing altitude fast.

So right when they had me convinced the Captain reaches over and restarts the left engine.

And they both start cracking up. ( assholes )

He looked back and told me the left likes to flame out when we exceed our recomended cruising altitude.

So I said " why would you exceed your recommend cruising altitude ? "

He said " We were bored and we wanted to f*** with your head ".....

Jackasses.
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I only got to jumpseat once, saved my trip. I went around the world in 3 weeks, and I was trying to fly Prague to Frankfurt to Luxemborg. Flight was full out of Prague, so they said, "do you mind sitting in the cockpit jumpseat?"

They didn't have to ask me twice, Lufthansa A320.

I did get to sit jumpseat for takeoff and about 30 minutes in a RC-135 (707 with big new engines) on a National Guard refueler. The flight over we refueled a B2 Stealth bomber. So cool to see one from 20 feet away, mid-air!
 
Superfly said:
I see what you're saying, NL, but there are a lot of variables at play here. No phone calls made? None? And the black box fails? And the locator fails? And no mayday calls were made? And on top of all of this -- no trace of the flight whatsoever, even though 22 countries are now currently looking for any kind of debris?

So many failures at one time - that's just too hard to believe that it's just a coincidence.
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You've obviously never been to east and southeast asia. Technology there is shoddy at best, Japan being the exception. China doesn't even report how many of its domestic aircraft go down every year, it's a state secret.

Yes, that many failures can happen at once in a part of the world where oversight and regulation are not en par with the western world's. An electrical failure with an outdated independent backup is all that would be required for the locator to go offline.

Without the locator signal, searching every square foot of ocean will require visual tracking with the human eye which is already a difficult task if the ocean is calm.

I'm just using occam's razor. Why jump to some ET explanation when we don't have all the facts yet.
 
tecoyah said:
The missing 777-200 from Thailand to China is a mystery....and I would love to hear everyone's theories.


I'll supply a few....but please add.
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The fact that there were no calls indicating trouble leads me to believe some type of instant disaster.
 
The plane was brought down by SPECTRE, is now at the bottom of the ocean, and they're sending frogmen to recover the two nuclear warh...,oh, wait. That can't be right. Sorry, I've watched too many Bond films.
 
marduc said:
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And here I thought that guy was dead.. he has been in deep cover waiting to hatch his nefarious plot to steal da plane.
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Not that island. This island:
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tecoyah said:
The missing 777-200 from Thailand to China is a mystery....and I would love to hear everyone's theories.


I'll supply a few....but please add.
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Malaysia's air force chief said that the plane changed course and turned around and flew low AFTER disabling its transponder.

So the plane couldn't have been blown up.

And if there were a legitimate need to turn around, the pilot would've radioed out a reason, distress call, etc. And the transponder would not have been turned off.

There are only 2 likely scenarios that would have led to the events as described, i. e. the transponder disabling and the turn around w/out any call indicating trouble. . .

1) The pilot committed suicide, i. e. intentional downing in the water. This is the most likely cause by Occam's Razor.

2) The plane was preprogrammed to switch off its transponder and turn around and also jam cellular communications.

A remote control or preprogrammed hijacking w/out jamming cell phones, OTOH, would've caused the pilot to exit the cockpit and warn passengers, who would've then called their loved ones. So if this happened, the cell phones had to be jammed.
 
beefheart said:
I only got to jumpseat once, saved my trip. I went around the world in 3 weeks, and I was trying to fly Prague to Frankfurt to Luxemborg. Flight was full out of Prague, so they said, "do you mind sitting in the cockpit jumpseat?"

They didn't have to ask me twice, Lufthansa A320.

I did get to sit jumpseat for takeoff and about 30 minutes in a RC-135 (707 with big new engines) on a National Guard refueler. The flight over we refueled a B2 Stealth bomber. So cool to see one from 20 feet away, mid-air!
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Wow, chance in a lifetime experience there.

My jumpseat experience's were on Lear Air Ambulances with psycho pilots.

We lost one of those Lears unfortunately.

Went down flying out of Hobby into IAH.

NTSB sent a report to our FBO stating they dropped out of a 500 foot cieling of dense clouds flying IFR thinking they were on top of the airport.

Instead they were 2 miles West and went into a bunch of Trees with a trunk tank full of Jet-A.

We lost a G3 the same way. Both hangered at our FBO.

Ir dropped out of a low ceiling and clipped a Light pole on Beltway 8 just south of Hobby Airport.

I remember seeing the pilots cars parked in our parking lot after the accident and realized their drivers were gone for good.

Both vehicles sat there for over a week until a Family member finally picked them up.
 
I predict a diplomatic row between China and Malaysia- the Chinese will demand an apology from the PM and Malaysia will, I dunno what they will do...
 
The 777 broke the time barrier. The crew and passengers are safe. All are aboard the Starship Enterprise. Worse case scenario, they all have become part of the Borg Collective.
 
APACHERAT said:
The 777 broke the time barrier. The crew and passengers are safe. All are aboard the Starship Enterprise. Worse case scenario, they all have become part of the Borg Collective.
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How comforting for the families.
 
APACHERAT said:
The 777 broke the time barrier. The crew and passengers are safe. All are aboard the Starship Enterprise. Worse case scenario, they all have become part of the Borg Collective.
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I'm going with we now know Klingon cloaking devices exist.
 
Seriously though, I suspect catastrophic failure at altitude. Whether it was due to a bomb (ala Lockerbie), or a fuel tank that exploded (ala TWA 800), or the like, this is the only plausible explanation in my mind for 1) why no pilot communications and 2) why no radar trace.

Terrorists might have hijacked it and either 1) purposely flown it into the ground/water, or 2) tangled with crew/passengers with the same result (ala flight 93). But that no terrorist group has claimed responsibility, terrorists thriving on their 10 minutes of fame (or [in]fame), I'm not giving either much credence.

There was the plane in which Payne Stewart was flying that decompressed at altitude, incapacitating all on board, that just flew on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed - but radar would've caught such an incident.

Then there's the [remote] possibility it could've been hijacked and stolen - but to evade radar, they'd have had to fly it down to the ocean's surface, disable everyone's cell phones and the plane's in-flight phones, stave off any crew/passenger attempts to re-take the plane, etc. etc., which all make such a possibility highly implausible.

I'm sticking with catastrophic failure at altitude.
 
At this point I think you must be right, and all the pieces are just too small to find one in the vast ocean. I guess.
EdwinWillers said:
Seriously though, I suspect catastrophic failure at altitude. Whether it was due to a bomb (ala Lockerbie), or a fuel tank that exploded (ala TWA 800), or the like, this is the only plausible explanation in my mind for 1) why no pilot communications and 2) why no radar trace.

Terrorists might have hijacked it and either 1) purposely flown it into the ground/water, or 2) tangled with crew/passengers with the same result (ala flight 93). But that no terrorist group has claimed responsibility, terrorists thriving on their 10 minutes of fame (or [in]fame), I'm not giving either much credence.

There was the plane in which Payne Stewart was flying that decompressed at altitude, incapacitating all on board, that just flew on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed - but radar would've caught such an incident.

Then there's the [remote] possibility it could've been hijacked and stolen - but to evade radar, they'd have had to fly it down to the ocean's surface, disable everyone's cell phones and the plane's in-flight phones, stave off any crew/passenger attempts to re-take the plane, etc. etc., which all make such a possibility highly implausible.

I'm sticking with catastrophic failure at altitude.
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