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Where is the plane?

What Happened?

  • Hijacked and landed, demands forthcoming.

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • Blown up in midair.

    Votes: 13 30.2%

  • Critical structural failure leading to a crash.

    Votes: 12 27.9%

  • Alien abduction...a new bremuda triangle.

    Votes: 8 18.6%

  • Bad seafood served...pilots incapacitated.

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • You're nuts....this is what actually happened.

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Total voters
    43
I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it was hijacked and stolen. Easy to do if you know what you are doing.

I also think the passengers are probably all dead.
 
Superfly said:
I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it was hijacked and stolen. Easy to do if you know what you are doing.

I also think the passengers are probably all dead.
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If it were hijacked, I don't think the passengers are necessarily all dead yet. If they just wanted to blow it up in the sky, that would've been easier and more of a statement.
 
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Superfly said:
I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it was hijacked and stolen. Easy to do if you know what you are doing.

I also think the passengers are probably all dead.
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I think you are right, but I'm not sure they would have killed the passengers. They may need them as hostages at some point or for some purpose. Which could be why they took the plane.
 
grip said:
If it were hijacked, I don't think the passengers are necessarily all dead yet. If they just wanted to blow it up in the sky, that would've been easier and more of a statement.
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Disagree. I would think, out of over 200 passengers, somebody would have somehow gotten a call out. And where are the cell phones? Over 200 people and no one got a call out? Nah, I think it's possible the cabin pressure was dropped and everyone fell asleep, and then they were killed. Easier to kill an airplane full of people if they are already asleep.
 
Superfly said:
Disagree. I would think, out of over 200 passengers, somebody would have somehow gotten a call out. And where are the cell phones? Over 200 people and no one got a call out? Nah, I think it's possible the cabin pressure was dropped and everyone fell asleep, and then they were killed. Easier to kill an airplane full of people if they are already asleep.
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If it were a terrorist takeover, they have scramblers that will block all cell signals.

Why go thru all the effort of hijacking a plane full of people, then kill them, when you could easily plant a bomb and blow it by remote control?

Though you could be right, because you'd think there would be demands by now.
 
Superfly said:
Disagree. I would think, out of over 200 passengers, somebody would have somehow gotten a call out. And where are the cell phones? Over 200 people and no one got a call out? Nah, I think it's possible the cabin pressure was dropped and everyone fell asleep, and then they were killed. Easier to kill an airplane full of people if they are already asleep.
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That's a good point...about the passengers phoning out if they were hijacked. Plus, my understanding is Malaysia is not the smoothest, most uncluttered country in the world (unlike say, Nebraska). I doubt a plane as big as a 777 could safely just land on a Malaysian field. And what is the point in hijacking the plane if you are just going to crash land it and risk wrecking the plane/killing everyone on board? It would probably have to land on a runway of some sort. And surely the authorities have checked every possible runway that could remotely handle a plane of this size.
It's an interesting premise - and still possible - but I think the plane has crashed and all on board are dead. Either something catastrophic happened or one of the pilots committed suicide and took everyone with him.
 
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DA60 said:
That's a good point...about the passengers phoning out if they were hijacked. Plus, my understanding is Malaysia is not the smoothest, most uncluttered country in the world (unlike say, Nebraska). I doubt a plane as big as a 777 could safely just land on a Malaysian field. And what is the point in hijacking the plane if you are just going to crash land it and risk wrecking the plane/killing everyone on board? It would probably have to land on a runway of some sort. And surely the authorities have checked every possible runway that could remotely handle a plane of this size.
It's an interesting premise - and still possible - but I think the plane has crashed and all on board are dead. Either something catastrophic happened or one of the pilots committed suicide and took everyone with him.
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There are a great deal of abandoned air strips in Vietnam, left over from the war. They have some that are big enough to handle the largest of military aircrafts, so they could handle a passenger plane. They wouldnt' have to land in Malaysia.
 
Superfly said:
There are a great deal of abandoned air strips in Vietnam, left over from the war. They have some that are big enough to handle the largest of military aircrafts, so they could handle a passenger plane. They wouldnt' have to land in Malaysia.
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True, but surely the authorities would have checked every airstrip - abandoned or otherwise - that could remotely handle a 777...especially the rather controlling Vietnam government.
Also, there is that cell phone thing again. Most people - especially those that fly - own a cell phone...surely at least one person would have made a call out if they were alive.

No, without further evidence, I say the plane is destroyed.
 
DA60 said:
True, but surely the authorities would have checked every airstrip - abandoned or otherwise - that could remotely handle a 777...especially the rather controlling Vietnam government.
Also, there is that cell phone thing again. Most people - especially those that fly - own a cell phone...surely at least one person would have made a call out if they were alive.

No, without further evidence, I say the plane is destroyed.
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Well, I don't know. All I know is if they kill avionics and coast until they get below the radar, they can restart the engines and fly in undetected. I'd think it would be do-able to do that, especially in a 3rd world country. As far as the phones - if the cabin pressure was dropped, everyone would fall asleep. If you are asleep, phone calls can't be made, and you can't fight back if someone wants to kill you.

I know that this is a stretch, but it's possible. At this point, anything is possible.
 
Superfly said:
Well, I don't know. All I know is if they kill avionics and coast until they get below the radar, they can restart the engines and fly in undetected. I'd think it would be do-able to do that, especially in a 3rd world country. As far as the phones - if the cabin pressure was dropped, everyone would fall asleep. If you are asleep, phone calls can't be made, and you can't fight back if someone wants to kill you.

I know that this is a stretch, but it's possible. At this point, anything is possible.
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Well, anything is possible.

As I said, until I have more evidence to the contrary, I am assuming the plane is down and all onboard are dead.
 
I think it crashed and the conditions were just out of the norm so no evidence was left behind, and the black box was faulty so it failed to do its job and send a signal.

There's nothing abnormal going on here. No aliens, no bermuda triangle, no interdimensional teleporting woo woo... just a tragic crash that left no trace. People look for the weirdest explanations but fail to realize that our oceans are huge, very turbulent, and nature still very much dominates our world.
 
Northern Light said:
I think it crashed and the conditions were just out of the norm so no evidence was left behind, and the black box was faulty so it failed to do its job and send a signal.

There's nothing abnormal going on here. No aliens, no bermuda triangle, no interdimensional teleporting woo woo... just a tragic crash that left no trace. People look for the weirdest explanations but fail to realize that our oceans are huge, very turbulent, and nature still very much dominates our world.
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I see what you're saying, NL, but there are a lot of variables at play here. No phone calls made? None? And the black box fails? And the locator fails? And no mayday calls were made? And on top of all of this -- no trace of the flight whatsoever, even though 22 countries are now currently looking for any kind of debris?

So many failures at one time - that's just too hard to believe that it's just a coincidence.
 
it's a big ****ing plane. If it went down, unless it was somehow vaporized, there is a debris field somewhere.
 
Sudden structural failure, loss of pressurization rendered everyone unconscious, plane crashed into sea. That particular plane had some structural damage in 2012, the wing was hit (the news is finally picking that up, the airline geeks knew about that immediately). Probably went in nose first, small debris field. They will find it, just hard luck that is in that part of the world and the Malays have bad military recon.

BTW, I am a former airline employee (still fly free!), and major airline/airplane geek, I don't see this as terrorism/hijacking, there are ways we would know, a severe depressurization would knock everyone out very quickly, if there was an explosion on the plane (not from a bomb, but fuel tank/structural), the shockwave alone could kill the pax and the crew.
 
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Yea its a huge plane. That would've left a substantial debris field.

Even if it was pointed straight in. The transponder being disabled ? Supposedly impossible in flight.

Depressurization can knock out a crew and passengers almost instantly.

Think back to the Payne Stewart crash where that jet cruised on autopilot with a plane full of dead crew and passengers until it ran out of fuel and crashed.

Rapid depressurization with the crew on O2s could account for the lack of Communication from the passengers.

Its might be difficult to do but not impossible.
 
beefheart said:
Sudden structural failure, loss of pressurization rendered everyone unconscious, plane crashed into sea. That particular plane had some structural damage in 2012, the wing was hit (the news is finally picking that up, the airline geeks knew about that immediately). Probably went in nose first, small debris field. They will find it, just hard luck that is in that part of the world and the Malays have bad military recon.

BTW, I am a former airline employee (still fly free!), and major airline/airplane geek, I don't see this as terrorism/hijacking, there are ways we would know, a severe depressurization would knock everyone out very quickly, if there was an explosion on the plane (not from a bomb, but fuel tank/structural), the shockwave alone could kill the pax and the crew.
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AirFrance 447 hit the Water doing 90 mph and broke apart.

They pulled it out of the Sea in pieces.

A 777 hitting the water at 500 plus knots would leave a huge debris field, not too mention plenty of floating debris.

I doubr it went into the drink.
 
Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue

'Satellite images of possible debris from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have been released on a Chinese government website.

The three images show what appear to be a large, floating object in the South China Sea. Previous sightings of possible debris have proved fruitless.

The China-bound plane went missing on Friday with 239 people on board.'

BBC News - Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue
 
DA60 said:
Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue

'Satellite images of possible debris from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have been released on a Chinese government website.

The three images show what appear to be a large, floating object in the South China Sea. Previous sightings of possible debris have proved fruitless.

The China-bound plane went missing on Friday with 239 people on board.'

BBC News - Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue
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Yea that's signifigant.

And now we know the limitations of Chinese satellite's.

They need a US sattelite to lock on it so we can get a better look at it
 
Fenton said:
Yea that's signifigant.

And now we know the limitations of Chinese satellite's.

They need a US sattelite to lock on it so we can get a better look at it
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Btw, my post was not meant to upstage yours right above it...I just posted it as soon as I saw it on BBC online.
 
Fenton said:
AirFrance 447 hit the Water doing 90 mph and broke apart.

They pulled it out of the Sea in pieces.

A 777 hitting the water at 500 plus knots would leave a huge debris field, not too mention plenty of floating debris.

I doubr it went into the drink.
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It could have impacted land, but we would have sat pictures of fire, etc. It depends how it impacts, there have been a few crashes that went straight in (Air Tran DC9, PSA BA146, United 737 in COS) All three of those impacted in populated areas, but had small debris fields. With the ocean, and currents, and not searching the right spot, it is plausable it impacted in a small space, though if it were coming straight down, it would go past mach 1 and the wings would most likely shear off. 777 has a lot of composites though, so I'm not sure how that would fare in an impact. I just think there were some inherent flaws in that plane, and it just reached the breaking point. We had a few ancient 747's that were pretty bad, they even had nicknames, "Ashes" because it was the plane that lost 3 engines over the Redoubt volcano in Alaska, "Patches" because the thing had so many rivets and patches in it, and my favorite "Christine, the hangar queen", because it was always on MX, and usually mysteriously... They all had 17,000 plus cycles on them when we got them, and they are long since turned into beer cans....
 
DA60 said:
Btw, my post was not meant to upstage yours right above it...I just posted it as soon as I saw it on BBC online.
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Oh I know. Any substantial information at this point is helpful.

Its a mystery but that is a big chunk of debris. Its hard to judge the scale though.
I cant think of what else it could be.

Ive seen pics of whale carcasses that float to the surface, but their usually eaten by sharks
 
beefheart said:
It could have impacted land, but we would have sat pictures of fire, etc. It depends how it impacts, there have been a few crashes that went straight in (Air Tran DC9, PSA BA146, United 737 in COS) All three of those impacted in populated areas, but had small debris fields. With the ocean, and currents, and not searching the right spot, it is plausable it impacted in a small space, though if it were coming straight down, it would go past mach 1 and the wings would most likely shear off. 777 has a lot of composites though, so I'm not sure how that would fare in an impact. I just think there were some inherent flaws in that plane, and it just reached the breaking point. We had a few ancient 747's that were pretty bad, they even had nicknames, "Ashes" because it was the plane that lost 3 engines over the Redoubt volcano in Alaska, "Patches" because the thing had so many rivets and patches in it, and my favorite "Christine, the hangar queen", because it was always on MX, and usually mysteriously... They all had 17,000 plus cycles on them when we got them, and they are long since turned into beer cans....
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You ever hear about Eastern Airlines Flight 401 that crashed in the Everglades in the 70s ?

They reused the the Galley Ovens out of it on new L1011's .

From there came one of the most substantiated ghost stories reported in History.
 
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