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Where is the plane?

What Happened?

  • Hijacked and landed, demands forthcoming.

    Votes: 6 14.0%
  • Blown up in midair.

    Votes: 13 30.2%
  • Critical structural failure leading to a crash.

    Votes: 12 27.9%
  • Alien abduction...a new bremuda triangle.

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • Bad seafood served...pilots incapacitated.

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • You're nuts....this is what actually happened.

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • Total voters
    43
My money's on an devastatingly powerful in-flight explosion. No way it was hijacked without the pilots getting off a distress message. Getting in that cockpit takes time now. If the pilots were conscious riding it down, they'd have gotten off a message. Hijacked? They'd have gotten off a message. If a plane landed in the water with any kind of glide ratio at all (which, granted, wouldn't be much at all), I think they'd find debris. There's no debris because by the time it hit the water, the fuselage was in bits and pieces, and the pilots were dead. I do question why no one has taken responsibility . . . unless they have, and it's being hushed. What's the point of sabotage to make a statement without the statement??
So if the cockpit is locked, and they are the only ones with communications (assuming no cell reception for passengers, flight attendants, and crew) then something unexpectedly fatal happened to both pilots and the plane subsequently crashed, and we don't know anything because they were to only two with communication at that time... Actually I guess there might be some sort of malfunction that could've incapacitated both pilots at once and nearly instantaneously????
 
So if the cockpit is locked, and they are the only ones with communications (assuming no cell reception for passengers, flight attendants, and crew) then something unexpectedly fatal happened to both pilots and the plane subsequently crashed, and we don't know anything because they were to only two with communication at that time... Actually I guess there might be some sort of malfunction that could've incapacitated both pilots at once and nearly instantaneously????

I'm not sure, but I think people with satellite phones might have had signals....?? If the cabin decompressed instantly, which is what would happen if a devastating explosion took place, last known they were at 30,000 feet. No oxygen. Freezing. And lots of people without seatbelts on would have been sucked into the sky until pressure equalized. It would have been screaming pandamonium. Hard to believe anyone would have the presence of mind to make a phone call.

If a powerful bomb was detonated by the first-class bathrooms (I think those are close to the cabin door), it could have killed them instantly.

I mean, talk about WAG'ing. That's what I'm doing.
 
The missing 777-200 from Thailand to China is a mystery....and I would love to hear everyone's theories.
I'll supply a few....but please add.

OOPS!

"Whales, Scottie ?... What have you been drinking?" ....






"Reset the Transporter!"
 
I'm not sure, but I think people with satellite phones might have had signals....?? If the cabin decompressed instantly, which is what would happen if a devastating explosion took place, last known they were at 30,000 feet. No oxygen. Freezing. And lots of people without seatbelts on would have been sucked into the sky until pressure equalized. It would have been screaming pandamonium. Hard to believe anyone would have the presence of mind to make a phone call.

If a powerful bomb was detonated by the first-class bathrooms (I think those are close to the cabin door), it could have killed them instantly.

I mean, talk about WAG'ing. That's what I'm doing.

Alright, but how do you get a powerful bomb onto a plane these days?
 
Alright, but how do you get a powerful bomb onto a plane these days?

Very good question. As a number of people in this thread have pointed out, international flights simply don't have the same security we have in The States. Combine that with the possibility of a cohort in baggage, and we might have Mulligan Stew.

But the big question in my mind is, if that's true, why isn't a group taking credit? Or are they, and we're just not hearing about it?
 
The missing 777-200 from Thailand to China is a mystery....and I would love to hear everyone's theories.


I'll supply a few....but please add.
Obama.
 
I'm not sure, but I think people with satellite phones might have had signals....?? If the cabin decompressed instantly, which is what would happen if a devastating explosion took place, last known they were at 30,000 feet. No oxygen. Freezing. And lots of people without seatbelts on would have been sucked into the sky until pressure equalized. It would have been screaming pandamonium. Hard to believe anyone would have the presence of mind to make a phone call.

If a powerful bomb was detonated by the first-class bathrooms (I think those are close to the cabin door), it could have killed them instantly.

I mean, talk about WAG'ing. That's what I'm doing.

Very good question. As a number of people in this thread have pointed out, international flights simply don't have the same security we have in The States. Combine that with the possibility of a cohort in baggage, and we might have Mulligan Stew.

But the big question in my mind is, if that's true, why isn't a group taking credit? Or are they, and we're just not hearing about it?

(1) lost their nerve and decided they didn't want the attention (likelier with a small conspiracy)
(2) waiting to be discovered, either for dramatic effect or to demonstrate the ineffectuality of political truth tracking.
 
If it isn't found, it's gonna spawn some ghost plane stories to tell kids at sleepovers. It's a terrible tragedy though. Truly is a strange turn of events.

My personal opinion is that global warming has caused the Bermuda Triangle to move to Vietnam and that George Bush and Chris Christie knew about it but didn't say anything.

#Illuminati!
 
The plane has been sequestered to allow negotiatons to take place regarding the precise number of virgins to await.
 
Im thinking design fault or something like that (such as sensors that might have malfunctioned/tampered with) that nobody knows about caused the plane to just break up in mid air. If it was a hijacking the pilots could have radioed since cabin doors are reinforced against forced entry nowadays and passengers would have fought the hijackers. If it was a bomb I dont see any motive since Malaysia is a mostly Muslim country.

The 777 is a new design and so while it has been flying for years now, they might not have covered everything as far as any structural weaknesses as of yet. And since it disappeared flying over the Pacific, I dont expect they would find a crater either...
 
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And here I thought that guy was dead.. he has been in deep cover waiting to hatch his nefarious plot to steal da plane.
 
Alot of this was covered in another thread. Hmm. Hope this isn't too bold.

The logical assumption would be that stolen / lost passports aren't universally checked during the check in and and boarding process.

It would be pretty easy to add a sequence number at the end of the passport / identify number indicating the number of the passport issued to the individual to pick up that an old issued one was is being used, but that's going to take a lot of tracking and coordination computer and networking wise which may not be logistically possible all across the planet, and for all we know that level of tracking may be illegal in some countries.

As reported on the news, the manufacturer guarantees the battery to last for 30 days running the locator pinger, which makes me believe that it's a rather low power device with limited range. The plane went down in 600 foot deep water, where the oil slicks were, so they'll be sending in salvage divers to get the pieces as well as the black boxes (alert orange really) once they locate the debris field on the ocean floor.

As reported on the news, there are locations on the planet where there is no radar coverage, typically beyond radar range. The airplane, traveling 8 miles per second would cover 80 miles in 10 minutes. Not quite sure what happens or is supposed to happen every 10 minutes, perhaps a GPS radio position report to the control center?

First thought I had was that a shoe bomber got through and onto the plane. It's early yet. Remember flight 800? Seems like that took 2 years or more before the NTSB investigators actually figured out the case. The causes get harder each year as all the easy (obvious) ones are already solved and prevented by now.

Follow up.
Just reported that the black box has an acoustic beacon, which is like the sub 'ping' in the movies. So, yes, limited range.

How large, or rather, how small an explosion can this Pentagon system detect? Middle of the Pacific ocean, hours away from land, not really confident that this Pentagon system you speak of would be able to detect what by all right would be considered a small explosion more than sufficient to bring down a commercial airline from 35,000 feet.

I don't think that a large explosion is required. You have 500 MPH winds clawing at every inch of that plane's skin, and any breach would result in a explosive decompression which rips that skin, changing the load factors on the structural members which are the plane's skeleton, and she just won't fly anymore. Down she comes.

As reported on the news, there are many places, especially over the large oceans, where there are no radar stations on land within range. Radars do in fact have a limited range. What is relied on when flying through these 'dark' areas is GPS based radio position reporting. Seems to be the interval is every 10 minutes.

No, but it does mean that there was a sudden and catastrophic event that prevented the pilots form calling a mayday. The priorities are clear,

1). Aviate - keep the plane in the air and under control
2). Navigate - keep it pointing in the right course
3). Communicate - then tell someone else

If the flight crew were not able to do #1, you probably wouldn't get a radio call.

What you are asking is what the glide ratio is. How many feet forward will result in how many feet drop. Googled and found this:
Glide ratio

As the aircraft fuselage and control surfaces will also add drag and possibly some lift, it is fair to consider the L/D of the aircraft as a whole. As it turns out, the glide ratio, which is the ratio of an (unpowered) aircraft's forward motion to its descent, is (when flown at constant speed) numerically equal to the aircraft's L/D. This is especially of interest in the design and operation of high performance sailplanes, which can have glide ratios approaching 60 to 1 (60 units of distance forward for each unit of descent) in the best cases, but with 30:1
Lift-to-drag ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While not a 777, it's a 767, and does give you an idea how what the glide ratio would be.
The aircraft lost 5,000 feet (1,500 m) in 10 nautical miles (19 km; 12 mi), giving a glide ratio of approximately 12:1.
Gimli Glider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So that's 12 feet forward for every 1 foot down.

So, 31,000 feet up, times 12 for assumed glide ratio, and it would be able to go around 70 miles further before hitting the water. At 500 MPH normal cruising speed, that about 10 minutes flying time. Near as I can figure.

I think they were too far from shore to glide back to shore. If it was just an engine outage, they would have called on the radio with GPS coordinates for rescue. Most of the military strips that are what? 50 years old? Are too small for aircraft that size. The jungle would have claimed them already, and to what benefit to Viet Nam to 'steal' an airplane. Heck, they could just buy one.

No, I'm thinking far more sudden and far more catastrophic than that.

Restarting stalled engines in flight is a regularly practiced exercise. If they were capable performing that, then they'd have called it in. No radio call was made.
 
If it was over land a 777 in a nose dive leaves a relatively small impact crater.

That's my guess as well.

Either it exploded in mid air or nosedived and the debris field is all over land in an isolated area.

Hard to believe that a debris field from a plane that big crashing into the water would not have been spotted by now considering all the assets searching for it.

However, the searchers do not seem to mention searching over land and they would know far better then I, so....
 
I think it likely structural failure. Acts of terrorism tend to come with wanting it known it was terrorism. Otherwise it served no purpose.
 
All of you are missing the obvious.

It is in the Twilight Zone. It has time traveled to the future and it will be waiting for us.

I wonder what the passengers thought though, when as soon as they entered the Twilight Zone, everything went to black and white.
 
Well, apparently it did not blow up when it first went off the radar.

'(Reuters) - Malaysia's military believes a jetliner missing for almost four days turned and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west after it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country's east coast, a senior officer told Reuters on Tuesday.

In one of the most baffling mysteries in recent aviation history, a massive search operation for the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER has so far found no trace of the aircraft or the 239 passengers and crew.

Malaysian authorities have previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.'


Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source | Reuters


Maybe a pilot killed the other pilot, locked the cockpit door, switched off the transponder and then changed course for 40 minutes and then dove the plane into the ground/water.

Not that this makes sense either...I am stumped.
 
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The plane was finally discovered by satellite this morning. It got lost in Michelle's crack.
 
Well, apparently it did not blow up when it first went off the radar.

'(Reuters) - Malaysia's military believes a jetliner missing for almost four days turned and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west after it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country's east coast, a senior officer told Reuters on Tuesday.

In one of the most baffling mysteries in recent aviation history, a massive search operation for the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER has so far found no trace of the aircraft or the 239 passengers and crew.

Malaysian authorities have previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.'


Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source | Reuters


Maybe a pilot killed the other pilot, locked the cockpit door, switched off the transponder and then changed course for 40 minutes and then dove the plane into the ground/water.

Not that this makes sense either...I am stumped.

The off-course heading certainly indicates a hijacking. If they were aware of the radar and telecom shortcomings in the area, they could reach Laos, Vietnam, Kampuchea, Thailand, Burma, etc. Where are there heavy duty players to have commandeered an airfield for landing and hanger to park it in? It was fueled to fly to Bejing, so there are numerous options. Maybe it's the beginning of a new cottage industry. Kidnap a few hundred passengers and ransom them one at a time as privately as possible. With the GPS satellite tracking of trucks, planes, trains, cabs, etc. , I find it hard to believe that its' last destination is unknown. The Malacca Straits are critical shipping routes and I know the CIA and other Intelligence would have a satellite parked overheard to track military movements, especially in light of Obama's "shift to Asia."
 
I recently went on a trip to Argentina. We were on a Boeing
777, which I believe is the same model of plane that's missing. That was a 6000 mile trip one way. The plane was completely full.

All I can say is that I'm glad it was an overnight trip (to and from), which allowed us to sleep most of the way. Otherwise I would have spent hours tormenting myself about all of the possible disasters that could happen in mid flight. Most of our travel was over areas that probably humans have never set foot.

In younger days I wouldn't have given such a flight a second thought. Now, even traveling interstate bugs me. I've got a trip to N.C. and another to NYC in the near future and I'm not looking forward to the flying part. I hate feeling that way about flying despite knowing its statistically the safest way to travel. And over the years I've traveled many thousands of miles in and out of the country.

This sad event hasn't helped my little increasing phobia.

The 777 is a very safe aircraft and your'e much more likely to die on the eay to the airport than you are in Airplane.

That jet is filled with redundancies where there can be a total sub system failure, and you'll never know it happened.

I used to work on Airplanes as a A and P certified mechanic when I was younger. Ive seen 737s with bullet holes in their fuselage's towed into the Hangar.

Airplanes that lost a engine, that had to be flown VFR because they lost their ok instruments.

They're very safe and dependable.

Ive already stated that I think this plan was landed somewhere.
 
A commercial airline has comm, nav, and guidance and control systems on it, most of which are battery back-up units in case of catastrophic failure. They should be transmitting on VOR/ILS, IFF, UHF, VHF and HF, position indicators (and emergency beacons in a crash scenario). It is kinda crazy they just...vanished.
 
The 777 is a very safe aircraft and your'e much more likely to die on the eay to the airport than you are in Airplane.

That jet is filled with redundancies where there can be a total sub system failure, and you'll never know it happened.

I used to work on Airplanes as a A and P certified mechanic when I was younger. Ive seen 737s with bullet holes in their fuselage's towed into the Hangar.

Airplanes that lost a engine, that had to be flown VFR because they lost their ok instruments.

They're very safe and dependable.

Ive already stated that I think this plan was landed somewhere.

Thanks, Fenton.

I'm inclined to be on that same train of thought about what happened. If that's the case, it's had to have been a well thought out plan. Motive???
 
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