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Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

Taking an upskirt photo should

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tecoyah said:
So you actually believe that a woman deciding to wear a skirt to the store....bears some level of responsibility for the guy behind her in line deciding to sneak a picture up her clothing?

You seem to hold a very unique understanding of social norms and personal privacy.....one might even refer to it as warped.
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I like having the freedom to wear what I WANT to wear here in America and not let certain types of men try to make excuses for THEIR own bad behaviors. Act like a damn human being instead of dirtbag. IT is really simple.
 
ChrisL said:
I like having the freedom to wear what I WANT to wear here in America and not let certain types of men try to make excuses for THEIR own bad behaviors. Act like a damn human being instead of dirtbag. IT is really simple.
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You might want to take 5 minutes and understand the human condition before you step back outside.
 
Gipper said:
At night in a strange neighborhood? Yes, she bears some responsibility.
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That is so messed up dude. Join us here in the 21st century.
 
Gipper said:
You might want to take 5 minutes and understand the human condition before you step back outside.
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Bull, PLENTY of men do not do this. Quit making lame excuses for weirdos.
 
ChrisL said:
Bull, PLENTY of men do not do this. Quit making lame excuses for weirdos.
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Many men are stupid, macho, or feel some biological imperative to "stick up" for equally stupid women. You're talking to a more evolved being, sweetheart. Hope you can keep up.
 
Gipper said:
You might want to take 5 minutes and understand the human condition before you step back outside.
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You sir...do not define or even seem to understand the "Human" condition, and should come with a warning when entering a public space. I have come to the conclusion you are likely one of these wonderful upskirt photographers and probably far worse.

You should be ashamed....but it is very unlikely you are.


Please tell me you do not live anywhere near me.
 
tecoyah said:
You sir...do not define or even seem to understand the "Human" condition, and should come with a warning when entering a public space. I have come to the conclusion you are likely one of these wonderful upskirt photographers and probably far worse.

You should be ashamed....but it is very unlikely you are.


Please tell me you do not live anywhere near me.
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If I lived in Kentucky, I wouldn't admit it.

You also may want to...I dunno...read the thread before you continue your "Gipper's a perv" retardation-based vomit.
 
Gipper said:
If I lived in Kentucky, I wouldn't admit it.

You also may want to...I dunno...read the thread before you continue your "Gipper's a perv" retardation-based vomit.
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Actually, the entire reason for my assumptions would be due to reading this thread.
 
tecoyah said:
Actually, the entire reason for my assumptions would be due to reading this thread.
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I'd work on your ABCs then, since I've basically called the action deplorable in many instances throughout the thread. Doesn't really sound like something that a guy doing it would say, now does it?

Take another swig from the jug, Jim-Bob. Maybe your reading comprehension improves with moonshine.
 
MoSurveyor said:
If you can't define behavior such that I know when I'm breaking the law then you have accomplished nothing and created no law. The same system that gives you the right to take a video of a public fight or a parent hugging a child in public also gives others the right to take a video (from behind) of a woman's ass in a bikini walking down the beach. Religious zealots will approve of one and call the other a sin but that doesn't make either of them wrong.


No, it's not easy. I'm sure you'd like to believe that but it really isn't. What you and most others arguing your same point are trying to do is legislate morality. That almost never works.
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We can manage to have laws that say you cannot walk down the street with inadequate clothes on without difficulty. That these rules are different on the beach to the town center is also easy.
 
Tim the plumber said:
We can manage to have laws that say you cannot walk down the street with inadequate clothes on without difficulty. That these rules are different on the beach to the town center is also easy.
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And who decides what's inadequate? People need to manage themselves. Too many people are looking to the government to protect us from ourselves.

This entire thread is rather ridiculous.

Personal responsibility. Ring a bell with anyone?
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
And who decides what's inadequate? People need to manage themselves. Too many people are looking to the government to protect us from ourselves.

This entire thread is rather ridiculous.

Personal responsibility. Ring a bell with anyone?
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It's a socially variable thing. In some settings we will collectively decide that you must wear black tie evening wear. In others topless in a tiny bikini bottom is fine in some cases naked is fine. It's a little like the laws on harassment. We all complain about unwanted cold calls on the phone. When they become harassment is the courts decision.

 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
And who decides what's inadequate? People need to manage themselves. Too many people are looking to the government to protect us from ourselves.

This entire thread is rather ridiculous.

Personal responsibility. Ring a bell with anyone?
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Not with the right unless it has to do with Income Transfers and the coercive use of force of a State.
 
Gipper said:
Daylight in a convenience store? No.
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Never, actually. Even in the middle of the night in a dark alley. Still no responsibility.

Way I look at it is this: If a woman dresses to show off, the rules are "look all you damn well please but don't touch unless invited to do so".

Granted that almost means taking upskirt photos is fine, but the line is a bit blurry.

Of course if the clothing is so short that bending over = can see underwear, that's another story entirely.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
And who decides what's inadequate? People need to manage themselves. Too many people are looking to the government to protect us from ourselves.

This entire thread is rather ridiculous.

Personal responsibility. Ring a bell with anyone?
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Okay, what personal responsibility? Is my responsibility to NOT wear the clothing I choose because some weirdo might stick a camera up my skirt? I don't see how the woman is "personally responsible" unless you are insinuating that if you wear certain articles of clothing, you are opening yourself up to men sticking cameras where they don't belong.

Now, if a woman has a skirt on that is SO short that her bum is hanging out, then she is quite aware of that I'm sure, and therefore she is MAKING it so that her bum is in public view. This is just not the case with either a skirt or dress no matter how short as long as her coochie and bummy are not hanging out.

I mean really, just because it is "almost" showing, does not mean others have permission to go underneath your clothing.
 
The Mark said:
Never, actually. Even in the middle of the night in a dark alley. Still no responsibility.

Way I look at it is this: If a woman dresses to show off, the rules are "look all you damn well please but don't touch unless invited to do so".

Granted that almost means taking upskirt photos is fine, but the line is a bit blurry.

Of course if the clothing is so short that bending over = can see underwear, that's another story entirely.
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The bottom line is this: Not all of society plays by your rules. When you operate in a society based on "should", you're leaving out various (yet obvious) elements.

I should be able to drive a Ferrari through the east side of Detroit at night. That doesn't mean I would, or that it's advisable. Just having a 6 figure car doesn't give others permission to jack my car at gunpoint, but to ignore that it happens because "that isn't right" is deluded as all hell.
 
Gipper said:
The bottom line is this: Not all of society plays by your rules. When you operate in a society based on "should", you're leaving out various (yet obvious) elements.

I should be able to drive a Ferrari through the east side of Detroit at night. That doesn't mean I would, or that it's advisable. Just having a 6 figure car doesn't give others permission to jack my car at gunpoint, but to ignore that it happens because "that isn't right" is deluded as all hell.
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Hello? This is why we have LAWS against rape. Rape is illegal in daytime and nighttime, inside or outside. :roll:
 
ChrisL said:
You WERE talking about rape.
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In the situation I described, she does, indeed, bear some responsibility. It is still rape. It is still illegal. The perpetrator should still go to jail.

She is not absolved by any of the last 3 statements.
 
Gipper said:
In the situation I described, she does, indeed, bear some responsibility. It is still rape. It is still illegal. The perpetrator should still go to jail.

She is not absolved by any of the last 3 statements.
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Your thinking is backwards ass. She does NOT bear responsibility because another person made a conscious decision to violate her, regardless of what she is wearing or NOT wearing. Even prostitutes and strippers have rights against being violated against their will.
 
ChrisL said:
Your thinking is backwards ass. She does NOT bear responsibility because another person made a conscious decision to violate her, regardless of what she is wearing or NOT wearing. Even prostitutes and strippers have rights against being violated against their will.
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And some asshole can take that right away pretty fast.
 
Gipper said:
And some asshole can take that right away pretty fast.
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Hence the laws we have so that person will be separated from other people. People who cannot control their impulses to violate another person, man, woman or child, against their will or without their knowledge are dangerous people who need to be separated from the rest of us who respect a human being's free will.

Like I said, if a woman (or man) is running around with her/his gentalia hanging out, then it is in public view and no longer private. However, positioning a camera so that it is taking pictures inside of a person's clothing is now against the law in Massachusetts (and quite a few other states) as it should be.

It's quite obvious these women did NOT want some strange man shoving a camera up their dresses because they tried to file charges against him. Unfortunately the way the law was written it didn't cover such things, but that has been fixed now, and I am happy for that.
 
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