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Upskirt Photography - Legal or Illegal???

Taking an upskirt photo should


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I don't either, but sharing their lives with my friends and family is more important to me and my wife, especially for both our parents, than my concern for the potential of a sicko whacking it to an image posted online.

Sharing nude pictures of your children is more important than some sick whacking it to those same pictures? Why? What is so important to share nude pictures of your children? I don't get that. Just share the ones where they are dressed.
 
As I understand the law, any photograph is considered legal if the photographer is either on his own property or on public property when taken. Many states have added EXCEPTIONS to their laws but the core of the law is if you're in public, you forfeit your right not to been seen by others, which includes being photographed. TV reporters have to be trained in understanding these laws, which is why they can chase someone down the sidewalk while asking questions but cannot do so on PRIVATE PROPERTY. Absent exceptions to the law in same states, the onus is on each person to conceal whatever they don't want seen by others in public or stay home.

In my state there was a case where a peeping Tom was watching women use the restroom at a convenience store. The restroom had an oddly placed window and from the right angle you apparently could see right in. Because he was doing so from a public place; sidewalk or parking lot, the courts rules he wasn't breaking the law reasoning anyone walking down the sidewalk would have seen the same thing and being outdoors in a public place and having sight as not a crime.

I'd sue the convenience store. Window in a public bathroom? Nuh uh. Too much bad potential.
 
Sharing nude pictures of your children is more important than some sick whacking it to those same pictures? Why? What is so important to share nude pictures of your children? I don't get that. Just share the ones where they are dressed.

um yeah. I don't exactly call my mom or dad over at bathtime to share the experience. It's not exaclty something that needs to be shared, even with grandparents.
 
Oh, I see, lol.

All I mean is, there are sickos out there, but I'm not going to let that statistically small potential sway my actions.


Kinda like a woman knowing there are rapists on the prowl but still wearing a skirt or other provocative clothing.

Or like how women know there is a trend called up skirting, but refusing to let that sway their wardrobe decisions.

Obviously my misunderstanding I apologize and stand corrected.
 
um yeah. I don't exactly call my mom or dad over at bathtime to share the experience. It's not exaclty something that needs to be shared, even with grandparents.

I have a few pictures of my son in a state of undress, like right after a bath and in the bath, just because I thought he looked so cute. I don't feel any need to share those with everyone else though.

I'm sure the kids don't really appreciate having their nude baby pictures all over the world wide web anyway. :lol:
 
I have a few pictures of my son in a state of undress, like right after a bath and in the bath, just because I thought he looked so cute. I don't feel any need to share those with everyone else though.

I'm sure the kids don't really appreciate having their nude baby pictures all over the world wide web anyway. :lol:

I have a great pic of my oldest granddaughter at around age 4, right after getting out of the bath, and all she was wearing was my big wide-brim gardening hat. I call it leverage. :lol:
 
Sharing nude pictures of your children is more important than some sick whacking it to those same pictures? Why? What is so important to share nude pictures of your children? I don't get that. Just share the ones where they are dressed.

Wearing a skirt is more important than some sicko getting a nice shot of your crotch? What is so important about wearing a skirt? Just wear clothes that don't potentially expose your crotch.
 
Wearing a skirt is more important than some sicko getting a nice shot of your crotch? What is so important about wearing a skirt? Just wear clothes that don't potentially expose your crotch.

You are NOT serious are you?????

So now women are the problem? It's their fault?

God damn dude....
 
I have a great pic of my oldest granddaughter at around age 4, right after getting out of the bath, and all she was wearing was my big wide-brim gardening hat. I call it leverage. :lol:

Would you ever put that on public display in any way?
 
Sharing nude pictures of your children is more important than some sick whacking it to those same pictures? Why? What is so important to share nude pictures of your children? I don't get that. Just share the ones where they are dressed.

In fact, I'll one up myself.

Going to parties, bars, or almost anywhere at night, is more important than getting raped? What is so important about going to parties, bars, or parking lots? Far safer to stay at home, right?
 
You are NOT serious are you?????

So now women are the problem? It's their fault?

God damn dude....
Take a deep breath. Count to ten. Now re-read the exchange toy so clumsily waded into.
 
um yeah. I don't exactly call my mom or dad over at bathtime to share the experience. It's not exaclty something that needs to be shared, even with grandparents.

Your opinion is noted.





My parents live over 1,000 miles away, and see my kids in person once a year on average. I don't "call them over" for anything.
 
Wearing a skirt is more important than some sicko getting a nice shot of your crotch? What is so important about wearing a skirt? Just wear clothes that don't potentially expose your crotch.

You do understand this is the United States?....we tend to avoid invasive choices that chip away at personal liberties.

Telling a citizen what they can wear seems a bit draconian....and expecting a woman to wear a different clothing to avoid exiting a man sounds rather familiar.

Ever heard of a Burka?


Usually, we address the problem not the victim.
 
I have a few pictures of my son in a state of undress, like right after a bath and in the bath, just because I thought he looked so cute. I don't feel any need to share those with everyone else though.

I'm sure the kids don't really appreciate having their nude baby pictures all over the world wide web anyway. :lol:

No, they're not gonna want to start postings nudes of themselves till theyre about 16.
 
You do understand this is the United States?....we tend to avoid invasive choices that chip away at personal liberties.

Telling a citizen what they can wear seems a bit draconian....and expecting a woman to wear a different clothing to avoid exiting a man sounds rather familiar.

Ever heard of a Burka?


Usually, we address the problem not the victim.
I agree. ChrisL and American woman apparently do not.
 
I agree. ChrisL and American woman apparently do not.

Why because I don't agree with a non parent taking compromising pictures of a child and posting them online? Or because I personally don't take naked pictures of my child and don't care if you as a parent do so? I still frown upon it because the child cannot consent but as a parent in the end it's your decision.

And you are the one suggesting if a grown woman doesn't want to be pictured or raped she should not wear a short skirt in public or no?
 
Post a link please. I'm skeptical to say the least.

Not exactly an official legal source but they do cite a California statute:

Private Property: It requires the individual to be loitering, prowling, or wandering UPON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY of another without visible or lawful business with the occupant or owner. This is the CA. Statue. PC 647 (ff) (3) (g). Your individual states Statue will vary. Spying...that would be a federal offense covered by U.S. Title. It doesn't apply at all. Criminal Surveillance requires physical entrance with intent.

To observe from outside the private property is legal. Photographing, videotaping etc., what is visible without having to enter onto the private property is open season.

A lot of people think permission has to be granted for somebody to view or take pictures of them in a public place, or while they are on private property and the person taking the picture/viewing is off the property. It's a common misconception.

Reasonable expectation to privacy is why you have curtains on your windows. It is expected that you will draw them prior to stripping down and standing in front of them, to protect your privacy.

If your neighbor wants to sit on his roof and watch you nude sunbathing in your back yard there isn't a thing you can do about it. Doesn't make it right, but it also means the person sunbathing nude isn't very smart, knowing the possibilities.


Is it illegal to watch all my neighbors through my binoculars? - Yahoo Answers
 
Wearing a skirt is more important than some sicko getting a nice shot of your crotch? What is so important about wearing a skirt? Just wear clothes that don't potentially expose your crotch.
What do you do when you wear your kilt?
 
You do understand this is the United States?....we tend to avoid invasive choices that chip away at personal liberties.

Telling a citizen what they can wear seems a bit draconian....and expecting a woman to wear a different clothing to avoid exiting a man sounds rather familiar.

Ever heard of a Burka?


Usually, we address the problem not the victim.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but under this line of thought would it also apply to wearing a shirt or waist covering in the first place? Sure we have culturally decided that the tiniest exposed sliver of [female] areola is indecent, as is exposed genitalia. Other cultures have different standards of decency - heck even our culture in other times had a different standard. Go back far enough an exposed thigh is scandalous, even further back an ankle.

So are we currently draconian in dictating that certain body parts are covered albeit to a lesser degree than cultures with stricter decency standards than us, such as the wearing of a burka? We do tell citizens what they can wear - and we do expect people to wear specific clothing to avoid "exciting a man"
 
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The real way to make this crap go away is to simply enforce existing laws. Upskirt and voyeurism is a division of the porn industry. Which is for profit. Which means, those images being used without a release from the model is illegal.

The real issue is, the models aren't even aware their images have been taken, and are being used.

I suspect much of the upskirt content on professional porn sites is consensual and/or staged-its faster, legal and less hassle to do it that way. Many women would be willing for a few bucks or plastic beads, especially if they aren't identifiable.
 
Not exactly an official legal source but they do cite a California statute:

Private Property: It requires the individual to be loitering, prowling, or wandering UPON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY of another without visible or lawful business with the occupant or owner. This is the CA. Statue. PC 647 (ff) (3) (g). Your individual states Statue will vary. Spying...that would be a federal offense covered by U.S. Title. It doesn't apply at all. Criminal Surveillance requires physical entrance with intent.

To observe from outside the private property is legal. Photographing, videotaping etc., what is visible without having to enter onto the private property is open season.

A lot of people think permission has to be granted for somebody to view or take pictures of them in a public place, or while they are on private property and the person taking the picture/viewing is off the property. It's a common misconception.

Reasonable expectation to privacy is why you have curtains on your windows. It is expected that you will draw them prior to stripping down and standing in front of them, to protect your privacy.

If your neighbor wants to sit on his roof and watch you nude sunbathing in your back yard there isn't a thing you can do about it. Doesn't make it right, but it also means the person sunbathing nude isn't very smart, knowing the possibilities.


Is it illegal to watch all my neighbors through my binoculars? - Yahoo Answers

But didn't you say this was a public restroom?
 
You are NOT serious are you?????

So now women are the problem? It's their fault?

God damn dude....

Please. Spare the innocent waif routine. To say that you bear no responsibility when you're a stiff breeze away from exposed snatch is just absurd.
 
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