Hillary too sick to run

cpwill said:

A better question might be - if Hillary for any reason does not run, are there any Democrat contenders with serious name recognition who could possibly win?

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cpwill said:

A better question might be - if Hillary for any reason does not run, are there any Democrat contenders with serious name recognition who could possibly win?

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sawyerloggingon said:

There are rumors Hillary is very sick and won't run. If true this would shake up the next election big time. The democrats don't really have a next in line except her and would be stuck with Biden in which case they lose.


"If you listen to the chattering class in Washington, D.C., Hillary Clinton is a virtual certainty for the 2016 Democratic nomination, and the front-runner in the next presidential race.

But in private, rumors persist that the former Secretary of State may not even be capable of making it to Iowa and New Hampshire. Clinton, these skeptics often say, will not run for president again because of health concerns."

“Already,” Henneberger wrote, “reports that describe Clinton’s right transverse sinus venous thrombosis as potentially life-threatening, though apparently caught in enough time, sound a lot more serious than the word from her doctors that the secretary is ‘making excellent progress and we are confident she will make a full recovery. She is in good spirits, engaging with her doctors, her family and her staff.’”
Henneberger asked then if we would “really be shocked to learn down the road that reports during her hospitalization had put a positive spin on her condition?”
“Our public officials have trained us to take everything they say with a healthy dose of skepticism,” Henneberger continued, “and on a matter as sensitive as a head injury followed by denials of any neurological symptoms, I’m not sure why we would or should unquestioningly accept the word of any politician.”
Some have noted Clinton’s change in appearance, including the addition of thick glasses, since her hospitalization. “One doesn’t need to be a physician… to have seen that Clinton has not appeared exactly bright-eyed and bushy-tailed of late,” Mary Stanik, a former Minnesota health care spokeswoman, wrote in 2013. “She looks to have gained a significant amount of weight since 2008. She seems pale, tired, and yes, aged. She’s said that she would like to know again what it’s like to not be tired.”
Last year, a Clinton aide acknowledged that her health crisis caused her to stop wearing contact lenses.
“She’ll be wearing these glasses instead of her contacts for a period of time because of lingering issues stemming from her concussion,” spokesman Philippe Reines told ABC News in 2013. “With them on, she sees just fine.”


Rumors persist that Hillary won

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justabubba said:

Elizabeth Warren would swamp any republican candidate in 2016
place your bets now

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Redress said:

It would certainly be an order of magnitude more difficult for democrats. Depends in part on how far in advance it was known Clinton would not run.

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Perotista said:

If Hillary does not decide to run, Biden will not replace her. I would suggest you look into the Democratic Governors as surly one of them would become the Democratic nominee. You already have O'Malley, MD, Schweitzer MT, Cuomo NY all being talked about as challengers to Clinton with O'Malley already has thrown his hat into the ring and will be challenging Clinton even if she does run. Schweitzer has said he plans on doing the same. Only Cuomo has said he wouldn't run if Hillary does. So there are three governors already and this is not to mention some dark horse like Nixon from MO.

Biden is going nowhere. Forget him.

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sawyerloggingon said:

LBJ not running for a second term pales in comparison. He was widely unpopular and was not the presumptive pres in waiting as Hill is or maybe was. The Nixon debate is not even in the ball park.

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Redress said:

It would certainly be an order of magnitude more difficult for democrats. Depends in part on how far in advance it was known Clinton would not run.

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sawyerloggingon said:

You need to read it again then.

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justabubba said:

what many of us suspected about biden before '08 has now been confirmed thru two administrations
he's the jerry ford of the demo party. nice guy, but not much there
and like jerry, the only way he becomes president is to fall into the position
we should be praying for Obama's continued good health

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sawyerloggingon said:

There are rumors Hillary is very sick and won't run.

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If true this would shake up the next election big time. The democrats don't really have a next in line except her and would be stuck with Biden in which case they lose.


"If you listen to the chattering class in Washington, D.C., Hillary Clinton is a virtual certainty for the 2016 Democratic nomination, and the front-runner in the next presidential race.

But in private, rumors persist that the former Secretary of State may not even be capable of making it to Iowa and New Hampshire. Clinton, these skeptics often say, will not run for president again because of health concerns."

“Already,” Henneberger wrote, “reports that describe Clinton’s right transverse sinus venous thrombosis as potentially life-threatening, though apparently caught in enough time, sound a lot more serious than the word from her doctors that the secretary is ‘making excellent progress and we are confident she will make a full recovery. She is in good spirits, engaging with her doctors, her family and her staff.’”
Henneberger asked then if we would “really be shocked to learn down the road that reports during her hospitalization had put a positive spin on her condition?”
“Our public officials have trained us to take everything they say with a healthy dose of skepticism,” Henneberger continued, “and on a matter as sensitive as a head injury followed by denials of any neurological symptoms, I’m not sure why we would or should unquestioningly accept the word of any politician.”
Some have noted Clinton’s change in appearance, including the addition of thick glasses, since her hospitalization. “One doesn’t need to be a physician… to have seen that Clinton has not appeared exactly bright-eyed and bushy-tailed of late,” Mary Stanik, a former Minnesota health care spokeswoman, wrote in 2013. “She looks to have gained a significant amount of weight since 2008. She seems pale, tired, and yes, aged. She’s said that she would like to know again what it’s like to not be tired.”
Last year, a Clinton aide acknowledged that her health crisis caused her to stop wearing contact lenses.
“She’ll be wearing these glasses instead of her contacts for a period of time because of lingering issues stemming from her concussion,” spokesman Philippe Reines told ABC News in 2013. “With them on, she sees just fine.”


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annata said:

one guy on another board said she has bunions...who knows :roll:

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Perotista said:

I do not think so. I think whomever the Democratic nominee is, he/she will be starting out with a huge electoral college advantage. Trust worth blue states add up to 258 electoral votes with only 270 needed to win. The Republicans have on 186 electoral votes in trust worthy states. Of course this all depends on whom is the nominees. A Schweitzer run would place MT 3 EV into the Democratic column leaving them only 9 short of victory with the toss up states listed as Fl, NC, VA, OH, NH, IA and NV.

This sort of built in advantage is what made Christie so desirable for the GOP before bridgegate, he would have switched NJ 14 EV into the GOP column and probably made the states of PA, CT, DE into the toss up column dropping the Democratic trust worthy states down to 214 vs. Christies's 200. Christie before bridgegate basically made the race an even one. I see as of today, no other candidate that has the power to do that for the GOP.

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sawyerloggingon said:

There are rumors Hillary is very sick and won't run.

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APACHERAT said:

I wonder if Hillary is worried sick about this ?

Judicial Watch Helps Break Clinton Stonewall

One of the top stories coming out of Washington this week was the revelation that Bill Clinton’s Presidential Library has been steadfastly withholding tens of thousands of pages of presidential records that should have long-since been released to the public. As Politico put it in a story exposing the stonewalling:

A trove of Clinton White House records long processed for release remains hidden from public view at the Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock — even though the legal basis initially used to withhold them expired more than a year ago. The papers contain confidential advice given to or sought by President Bill Clinton, including communications with then-first lady Hillary Clinton and records about people considered for appointments to federal office.

Fox News added: “Some have speculated that the documents may contain new scandals that could prove problematic for a potential 2016 presidential run by Hillary Clinton.”

But, of course, none of that comes as news to regular readers of the Weekly Update, who will recall that, since as far back as 2006, Judicial Watch has been spearheading the battle to force the Clintons to stop stonewalling and produce the Presidential Library documents. With relentless perseverance, we have been successful. And the battle continues unabated.

On Wednesday, February 26, on the heels of the Politico article, we filed yet another Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Clinton Presidential Library to try to get to the bottom of what the Clintons are covering up. This time, we are seeking an additional 33,000 pages of records still being withheld by the Clinton Library (some of which should have been released to us last year in separate litigation). Specifically, the new Judicial Watch FOIA request asks for:

Any and all records contained in former President Clinton’s presidential archives that are currently being withheld as described in the enclosed Politico article. Judicial Watch believes that 33,000 pages of records exist that are responsive to this FOIA request ….

In my experience with the Washington culture of corruption, politicians don’t skirt the law and cover their tracks unless they have something very damaging they are trying to hide. And with Hillary Clinton now positioning herself for another presidential run in 2016, that information could be very damaging indeed.

Significantly, just as this edition of the Weekly Update was going to press – and on the heels of the Judicial Watch FOIA request – the Clinton Library announced that it will release some 4,000 or 5,000 pages of the previously withheld records today (Friday afternoon, February 28).

Do you think that the press attention and our FOIA and lawsuits have anything to do with the belated release?

As those familiar with the Washington political practices know, Friday afternoons are when political pros dump the information they hope will be lost over the coming weekend. That practice was perfected, by the way, during the Clinton administration.

All of those games, of course, are typical of the Clinton way of dribbling out the slow release of information they hope will never see the light of day. They are past masters of the cover-up. And that’s why Judicial Watch has been so relentless in trying to break down the stonewall that protect their record of corruption from being fully disclosed.

You may recall that we filed our first FOIA request with the Clinton Library more than eight years ago. And even then, it was not until October, 2013, after seven years of litigation, that we finally obtained more than 57,000 pages of previously withheld documents – documents that the Clinton’s had jealously guarded from public scrutiny. They revealed formerly undisclosed information about the National Taskforce on Health Care Reform, a “cabinet-level” taskforce chaired by Hillary Clinton during the first term of the Bill Clinton presidency.

According to Clinton Presidential Library records, “The cabinet-level Task Force, chaired by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, was given primary responsibility for providing advice and making recommendations to the President regarding the national health care reform package.” A small category of Health Care Task Force-related documents had previously been released by the Clinton Presidential Library, but the records of the Health Care Task Force itself had not been disclosed. And they told a story of Hillary Clinton’s infamous control of the attempted government health care takeover.

Several years ago, Judicial Watch released a smaller batch of records obtained from the Clinton Presidential Library related to the National Taskforce on Health Care Reform. Those documents revealed:

•A June 18, 1993 internal Memorandum containing the startling admission from a staff member: “… I have trouble coming up with a precedent in our peacetime history for such broad and centralized control over a sector of the economy… “
•A “Confidential” May 26, 1993 Memorandum from Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) to Hillary Clinton entitled, “Health Care Reform Communications,” criticizing the Task Force as a “secret cabal of Washington policy ‘wonks’” that has engaged in “choking off information” from the public regarding health care reform.
•A February 5, 1993 Draft Memorandum noting the development of an “interest group data base” detailing which organizations “support(ed) us in the election” and tracking personal information about organization leaders, such as their home phone numbers, addresses, “biographies, analysis of credibility in the media, and known relationships with Congress people.”
Isn’t it amazing how history repeats itself! I suspect that you will find some Obamacare records that are almost exact duplicates of the other failed socialist healthcare effort.

So now, nearly a decade after Judicial Watch first sounded the alarm about the Clinton Library’s shroud of secrecy and began breaking down the stonewalls, the nation’s media has caught up with the story. (And we were the group that forced the Clinton Library to disgorge Hillary’s schedules as First Lady and her phone logs.)

With our FOIA request earlier this week, we have now put some teeth in the quest to get to the truth. You can see the result of our efforts yourself at the Clinton Library website now (the new documents should be posted.)

Weekly Update: Obama’s High Cost Luxury | Judicial Watch

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sawyerloggingon said:

There are rumors Hillary is very sick and won't run. If true this would shake up the next election big time. The democrats don't really have a next in line except her and would be stuck with Biden in which case they lose.

"If you listen to the chattering class in Washington, D.C., Hillary Clinton is a virtual certainty for the 2016 Democratic nomination, and the front-runner in the next presidential race.

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Redress said:

I guess my point was not tied to electoral math. You are basically correct, though it is a tad more fluid than that. However, the electoral map truth does not change with Clinton running. However, the chance of picking up those swing states does improve with a Clinton run.

Your point about Christie is also correct, and I would suggest that unless bridgegate has a clear cut tie to him(and while I have not particularly been following it, I beleive no such clear cut tie has come out yet), it will not be a major issue in 2016. Bridgegate at this point seems to be much like this rumor, it is the opposition seeing if they can sow doubts about the other parties front runner. Now, if it is proven that Christie knew of and approved of bridgegate, that does change things.

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sawyerloggingon said:

There are rumors Hillary is very sick and won't run. If true this would shake up the next election big time. The democrats don't really have a next in line except her and would be stuck with Biden in which case they lose.


"If you listen to the chattering class in Washington, D.C., Hillary Clinton is a virtual certainty for the 2016 Democratic nomination, and the front-runner in the next presidential race.

But in private, rumors persist that the former Secretary of State may not even be capable of making it to Iowa and New Hampshire. Clinton, these skeptics often say, will not run for president again because of health concerns."

“Already,” Henneberger wrote, “reports that describe Clinton’s right transverse sinus venous thrombosis as potentially life-threatening, though apparently caught in enough time, sound a lot more serious than the word from her doctors that the secretary is ‘making excellent progress and we are confident she will make a full recovery. She is in good spirits, engaging with her doctors, her family and her staff.’”
Henneberger asked then if we would “really be shocked to learn down the road that reports during her hospitalization had put a positive spin on her condition?”
“Our public officials have trained us to take everything they say with a healthy dose of skepticism,” Henneberger continued, “and on a matter as sensitive as a head injury followed by denials of any neurological symptoms, I’m not sure why we would or should unquestioningly accept the word of any politician.”
Some have noted Clinton’s change in appearance, including the addition of thick glasses, since her hospitalization. “One doesn’t need to be a physician… to have seen that Clinton has not appeared exactly bright-eyed and bushy-tailed of late,” Mary Stanik, a former Minnesota health care spokeswoman, wrote in 2013. “She looks to have gained a significant amount of weight since 2008. She seems pale, tired, and yes, aged. She’s said that she would like to know again what it’s like to not be tired.”
Last year, a Clinton aide acknowledged that her health crisis caused her to stop wearing contact lenses.
“She’ll be wearing these glasses instead of her contacts for a period of time because of lingering issues stemming from her concussion,” spokesman Philippe Reines told ABC News in 2013. “With them on, she sees just fine.”


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ChrisL said:

If Jon McCain could run with all of his health issues, then why not Hilary? Of course it's up to her, and if she doesn't feel up to handling that kind of stress, I can't say that I would blame her.

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sawyerloggingon said:

She might be dying though.

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