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Is your slow American internet acceptable to you?

Is this acceptable?

  • Yeah, so what. 'Merica!

    Votes: 6 25.0%

  • No, this is ridiculous

    Votes: 16 66.7%

  • I'm worthless and weak for clicking here

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Total voters
    24
Peter Grimm said:
Average download speeds by country below. This is a good indicator of the state of infrastructural development in each country. Once upon a time, the United States was the most developed country in the world. Now, we lag behind almost everybody.

In my opinion, this is an unacceptable report card. America gets an "F." We need legislative action to fix it immediately. What say you?





*All values in mbps

1. Hong Kong 72.06
2. Singapore 60.76
3. Romania 56.81
4. South Korea 51.70
5. Japan 42.24
6. Sweden 40.80
7. Lithuania 39.99
8. Andorra 39.84
9. Macau 39.83
10. Netherlands 39.35
11. Switzerland 38.82
12. Denmark 36.54
13. Taiwan 35.71
14. Luxemborg 34.22
15. Latvia 33.54
16. Iceland 32.21
17. Moldova 30.98
18. Bulgaria 29.09
19. Belgium 28.97
20. Norway 27.29
21. France 27.18
22. Finland 26.63
23. Germany 25.20
24. Portugal 24.95
25. Hungary 24.21
26. Estonia 24.17
27. Czech 23.70
28. UK 23.48
29. Aland 23.23
30. Liechtenstein 23.14
31. Israel 21.80
32. United States 21.48
33. Russia 21.28
36. Canada 20.29
44. China 16.76
87 Italy 7.78


**All data from ooka.com
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No. What do you notice about all those countries on the list. Hint, when you think about public transit in this country verses other countries you begin to understand the magnitude of the faced by the internet service providers, though I will fully admit they have been at least in this country a bit slow to upgrade infrastructure and they want to switch people from paying for a pipe to paying for a bucket. But I digress. Its a bit more complicated then people first see.
 
Peter Grimm said:
At least the healthcare is free. How many Americans have been bankrupted because they have a sick kid?
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Euros start and end bankrupt, regardless of circumstance.
 
My Internet is faster than all of those and I'm in America. I get 75/50 and I could get 100mbps if I wanted. Fiber is great.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Yeah because I don't like hiding from the world, I like experiencing it. I actually enjoy the company of other people. I'm not a damn hermit that spends all day with the same 3 people and 4 hours in my car by myself.
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You're hiding from the world crammed like sardines in those manmade anthills.

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Peter Grimm said:
That's fine but if you take the EU as a whole, it's download speed is faster than the USA's. The EU is a lot bigger in terms of population.
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Which means density. European population density is much greater than US density. Density is key. There are lots of areas in the US that are not very dense, and it costs more to overcome that, especially if you go the hardwire route.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Which means density. European population density is much greater than US density. Density is key. There are lots of areas in the US that are not very dense, and it costs more to overcome that, especially if you go the hardwire route.
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I live in an area where there are probably 10-15 homes in a 5 square mile area. it just isnt cost effective for the cable/fiber guys to provide service. so we are left with one option. satelite DSL. and the problem with that is the over-crowding of the RF spectrum.
 
ecofarm said:
So you think you know something about Sweden because you lived there as a child?

You think Europe is better because Euros say so?



At what point does critical thinking kick in?
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I lived there for three years as a child and moved back for two years when I was 17 and 18. I went back every summer to visit relatives. I've spent a lot more time in Europe than you have, guaranteed.

I never once noticed an issue with the heating. But hey, I'll look for it next time I go, which is probably in a couple weeks.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Average download speeds by country below. This is a good indicator of the state of infrastructural development in each country. Once upon a time, the United States was the most developed country in the world. Now, we lag behind almost everybody.

In my opinion, this is an unacceptable report card. America gets an "F." We need legislative action to fix it immediately. What say you?



*All values in mbps

1. Hong Kong 72.06
2. Singapore 60.76
3. Romania 56.81
4. South Korea 51.70
5. Japan 42.24
6. Sweden 40.80
7. Lithuania 39.99
8. Andorra 39.84
9. Macau 39.83
10. Netherlands 39.35
11. Switzerland 38.82
12. Denmark 36.54
13. Taiwan 35.71
14. Luxemborg 34.22
15. Latvia 33.54
16. Iceland 32.21
17. Moldova 30.98
18. Bulgaria 29.09
19. Belgium 28.97
20. Norway 27.29
21. France 27.18
22. Finland 26.63
23. Germany 25.20
24. Portugal 24.95
25. Hungary 24.21
26. Estonia 24.17
27. Czech 23.70
28. UK 23.48
29. Aland 23.23
30. Liechtenstein 23.14
31. Israel 21.80
32. United States 21.48
33. Russia 21.28
36. Canada 20.29
44. China 16.76
87 Italy 7.78


**All data from ooka.com
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How does that compare with population density of the metropolitan areas by country? Please notice that most or all of the top contenders have population densities so much greater than ours.

You know, it's cheaper to run these services if you have less cable or fiber to maintain.
 
clownboy said:
Foolish plan that would only lead to slower connections and a doomed infrastructure. The internet requires a large seemless common/shared infrastructure. Government does not have what it takes to maintain that, they just can't pay what it takes to get the people with the expertise and it takes billions per year.

I'm all for regulating these companies in a sane fashion, but breaking them up is just plain shooting ourselves in the foot.
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well, the regional monopolies are certainly doing a bang up job, as the ranking in the OP shows.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Which means density. European population density is much greater than US density. Density is key. There are lots of areas in the US that are not very dense, and it costs more to overcome that, especially if you go the hardwire route.
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Alright but why can I not get more than 15mbps when I live in downtown Dallas, population 7 million?
 
Peter Grimm said:
Alright but why can I not get more than 15mbps when I live in downtown Dallas, population 7 million?
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What provider, because both that come up immediately for that area (TWC and ATT UVerse) show speeds three times that. Could it be the nut behind the wheel perhaps? :mrgreen:
 
Peter Grimm said:
Alright but why can I not get more than 15mbps when I live in downtown Dallas, population 7 million?
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It's still an older infrastructure. We have has cable since the 80's or earlier. Other places inn the world were behind us, in some places by several decades. When they built their infrastructure, it could already be 20 years ahead of ours.

Of course, lack of competition doesn't help us.
 
Peter Grimm said:
You don't think the EU has rural areas? The population of the EU is greater than the USA, and yet their cumulative average download time still smokes us. No excuses.
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Lol. I'll tell you honest Grimm, I had the exact same gripe as you, in Dallas, 4 years ago. I even reacted the same, and got on a pedestal about "the rest of the world is faster", and just as misguided. But it was also a much stronger gripe. 4 years ago all I could get in a Dallas, off major highway office complex, was $400/month for 1MB T1. That's what set me off. Guy out in the boonies had FIOS 100mb for $100/mo. I went crazy. I touted the same statistics too. So even though we were both wrong, I feel your pain. Carry on as far as I'm concerned :) and I hope you get fiber in your area soon.
 
OscarB63 said:
I live in an area where there are probably 10-15 homes in a 5 square mile area. it just isnt cost effective for the cable/fiber guys to provide service. so we are left with one option. satelite DSL. and the problem with that is the over-crowding of the RF spectrum.
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I have a office in downtown Bakersfield. It is approximately a 500yards to the nearest trunk line for cable or fiber optic. But I cant get connection to as I am in an industrial area. So I have resorted to fixed wireless broadband as it was better than dialup or what ATT was offering which was dialup. Don't ask me about the prices and restrictions Verizon and the lot wanted for broadband on the cell networks. When I shop for internet I shop for a pipe, not buckets. It seems most of these providers now days only want to sell buckets. Hopefully when the housing track goes in this year behind me they run the feeder lines by me and I will get some good speeds finally.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Alright but why can I not get more than 15mbps when I live in downtown Dallas, population 7 million?
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I pay for a 15mbps service, but always get 26mbps when I check. I can get higher, but would have to pay more. I'm pretty upset that it costs me $66/month as it is.
 
Mach said:
Lol. I'll tell you honest Grimm, I had the exact same gripe as you, in Dallas, 4 years ago. I even reacted the same, and got on a pedestal about "the rest of the world is faster", and just as misguided. But it was also a much stronger gripe. 4 years ago all I could get in a Dallas, off major highway office complex, was $400/month for 1MB T1. That's what set me off. Guy out in the boonies had FIOS 100mb for $100/mo. I went crazy. I touted the same statistics too. So even though we were both wrong, I feel your pain. Carry on as far as I'm concerned :) and I hope you get fiber in your area soon.
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I'll bet the rural areas were more recent developments, so they laid the better options when building that infrastructure.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I pay for a 15mbps service, but always get 26mbps when I check. I can get higher, but would have to pay more. I'm pretty upset that it costs me $66/month as it is.
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And you've got that guy in Holland paying 12 Euros a month (15 bucks) getting 115 mbps.

Yeah we're doing great over here.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Alright but why can I not get more than 15mbps when I live in downtown Dallas, population 7 million?
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You can but its gona cost you. I have a office 500yards from a main trunk line for both cable and fiber optic. I cant get them to run a line to me. I have to use fixed broadband wireless. T-1 and T-3 lines, the costs verses rewards forget about it. There are lots of marginal areas in cities were cable and fiber optic are not run because they are commercial or industrial or just plain not dense enough.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I lived there for three years as a child and moved back for two years when I was 17 and 18.
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*gong*

I was a self realizing grad student.
 
Peter Grimm said:
And you've got that guy in Holland paying 12 Euros a month (15 bucks) getting 115 mbps.

Yeah we're doing great over here.
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Do you have a solution?

They were at least a decade behind us at building a media infrastructure. I would guess they started when fiber was the choice for new communications. That along with their higher population density makes it cheaper to service people. Most of our nation needs to entirely rebuild the infrastructure if we want those speeds nationwide. That is a monumental undertaking. Not something that happens in just a few years.
 
Peter Grimm said:
And you've got that guy in Holland paying 12 Euros a month (15 bucks) getting 115 mbps.

Yeah we're doing great over here.
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Maybe that's accurate, maybe just someone spouting bull****. He could be located in a huge apartment complex right next to the NOC. His complex may subsidize his connection. There are apartments like that around here too, they pay for the basic speeds/plan and renters can pay a little extra to get the premium plan.
 
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