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Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?[W:771]

Men: Would you marry an American Woman?


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Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?

As long as you've checked that it's approved in advance, right?

I've always thought the way some boys have to constantly seek the approval of other boys is very cute
 
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I've always thought the way some boys have to constantly seek the approval of other boys is very cute
You'll never know, having chosen to adopt a more conciliatory designation early on. Some of us, being comfortable in our gender, never felt the need to acquiesce.
 
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Trolling is the woman's fault :roll:
I wasn't trolling her, mangina boy. What you don't know is that we've spoken in PMs.
 
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You'll never know, having chosen to adopt a more conciliatory designation early on. Some of us, being comfortable in our gender, never felt the need to acquiesce.

I think that's cute
 
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That's cute
Killer comeback, Sangha. In the face of such an onslaught, I have no defence.
 
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Killer comeback, Sangha. In the face of such an onslaught, I have no defence.

No defense?

C'mon! I'm sure you could come up with another childish nickname for me
 
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No defense?

C'mon! I'm sure you could come up with another childish nickname for me
You mean an even more potent assault than calling you a 'boy'?

I dunno, brah. I was pretty messed up after that one. That **** cut me to the quick.
 
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What were you before?
Hung suspended in a womb of implacable serenity. Somewhere betwixt omniscience and blissful ignorance.
 
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I liked you more back then
As did I, but you couldn't leave well enough alone. Your injudicious tampering has scarred me with a bloodlust to remain forever unsated. Sweet dreams, kid.
 
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As did I, but you couldn't leave well enough alone. Your injudicious tampering has scarred me with a bloodlust to remain forever unsated.

Well, at least now you have a hobby to occupy your time.
 
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Well, at least now you have a hobby to occupy your time.
One of many, but this retains a certain courtly charm. I have reason to thank you.
 
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And here we have another example of your not understanding statistics, specifically the difference between #'s and %'s. Of course the # of older people will go up. The # of people in all age groups is projected to rise

But I was off by by a number of years

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There was this as well. I simply did not post it because the formatting came out so ugly

http://www.urban.org/retirement_policy/images/Chart-2.gif

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By 2040, the total portion of the US population made up of people over the age of 65 will have grown to be more than 20%, with people under the age of 20 having decreased to only 25%.

Additionally, it should be noted that your chart doesn't really show much changing in this regard. The baby boomers will eventually die off, but unless birth rates (and / or immigration) pick up to substantially, that will only be a minor relief as the generations after them speed towards retirement ages themselves.

Just a point of fact - the conversion is more than 100 yen to the dollar, so 2,000,000 yen is about $20K/yr.

Here's some #'s on the COLA of Japan vs US

Cost Of Living Comparison Between Japan And United States

Which was kind of my point, if 2 million yen is roughly equivalent to 20k here in the United States, most unmarried Japanese men (roughly 55%, as a matter of fact) make more than that.

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It simply happens to be the case that most women prefer a man who makes something more like (using your own comparison criteria here) 40K to 60k a year, or they're content to go it alone. Considering the fact that median household (i.e. both partners working) income in the United States only falls in at roughly a little more than 40K a year in many parts of this country, this expectation would be unrealistic even here, let alone in economically ravaged Japan.
 
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There was this as well. I simply did not post it because the formatting came out so ugly


By 2040, the total portion of the US population made up of people over the age of 65 will have grown to be more than 20%, with people under the age of 20 having decreased to only 25%.

Yes, I acknowledged that I was off by a number of years.


Additionally, it should be noted that your chart doesn't really show much changing in this regard. The baby boomers will eventually die off, but unless birth rates (and / or immigration) pick up to substantially, that will only be a minor relief as the generations after them speed towards retirement ages themselves.

It's not clear, but look at the 2060 chart and you'll see a bulge in people aged 20-50 which are the most productive years in a persons' life.


Which was kind of my point, if 2 million yen is roughly equivalent to 20k here in the United States, most unmarried Japanese men (roughly 55%, as a matter of fact) make more than that.

The 19.4% who make over 4 million yen are marrying. The problem is with the 75% who make less than 4 million, which when converted to USD (approx $40K/yr) is less than avg salary compared to the US and for a nation where the cost of living is seems to be significantly higher.
 
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And do you have any evidence of this other then your husbands word?

Just curious.

Um -- yes? I got much of this information straight from the children. We've always made a point to not trash the exes in front of the kids. It's not cool. As the kids got older, they told me most of this. Did he never say anything bad about the exes? No, he did. But it's not like the 18 years we've been together have been one long bitchfest.
 
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Um -- yes? I got much of this information straight from the children. We've always made a point to not trash the exes in front of the kids. It's not cool. As the kids got older, they told me most of this. Did he never say anything bad about the exes? No, he did. But it's not like the 18 years we've been together have been one long bitchfest.

Thanks - just curious.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
I would suggest that people start cooling their heels in this thread. I already had fun without the K-Y and with a stick. :spank:. Anymore fun will be met with :mod ....you get the idea.
 
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The 19.4% who make over 4 million yen are marrying. The problem is with the 75% who make less than 4 million, which when converted to USD (approx $40K/yr) is less than avg salary compared to the US and for a nation where the cost of living is seems to be significantly higher.

Considering the fact that the chart covers men between the ages of 20 and 39, it would appear that many are going unmarried either way regardless. Wages alone do not explain the discrepancy that can be presently observed in Japanese culture.

At current estimates, more than 60% of Japanese women are not even married by age 30, and the statistic for men stands at more than 70%.

There is also the following to consider.

Wikipedia - Career Woman

As decreases in job security and wages for males have negatively impacted the ability of the sole male-breadwinner family model, there is now increasing pressure for women to work outside the home in a dual-earner family model. The percentage of young women who believed that a man should work outside a home and that women should work inside dropped from 41.6% in 1997 to 27.8% in 2008, while for men the rate went from 40.7% to 34.3% respectively.[20] Similarly, the proportion of young women who expected to work until retirement rose from 15.3% in 1987 to 24.7% in 2010, while the proportion of men who expected their wives to do so rose from 10.5% to 32.7% in the same time period. The increasing acceptance of young Japanese adults of the dual-earner model has resulted in an increase of dual-earner young households from 32.4% in 2000 to 42.8% in 2009[21]

The vast majority of young Japanese couples fully expect to live under a dual wage earner model. Very nearly half of them do so already, and this number is growing larger every year.

This trend has existed for quite some time, as a matter of fact.

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Marriage is, simply put, not at all unworkable from an economic perspective in Japan; at least not to the extent that would explain marriage rates depressed to the "bottom of the barrel" levels we see today. Many men and women alike have simply decided that the idea of marriage is more trouble that it is worth, and decided to opt out of it entirely as such.

Again, the major factor here is, and always has been, personal choice and focus on materialism over family. If more Japanese people legitimately wanted marriage, they could have it.
 
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Nope, not in the least. It is unsurprising that PEOPLE, women or men, would not want to date someone who talks about them like objects and believes they're all in cahoots against them, rather than looking within for the reason they might be having issues.

I am perfectly well aware of issues affecting men, and I have written about them extensively on DP, to the chagrin of most liberals, and to the speechless confusion of most conservatives. But almost every time you see someone whining about how it's all a feminist conspiracy, it's a guy who need look no further than his mirror to see the source of his problems.

There is no "hatred" of men on a larger social level. This is a society whose current incarnation of feminism is essentially no different from the 1950's (they just call it "crunchy earth mother" instead of "Stepford wife"). There is institutional bigotry against men, but this is a result of patriarchy, not feminism -- after all, it isn't feminism that believes women are incapable of supporting themselves, now is it.

We drug girls too. We just drug them with downers instead of uppers. We send them to a different kind of prison, called mental hospitals. Our homogenization of children affects both sexes.

Your inability to see how these issues affect both sexes -- and this is a common growing pain at the mid-way point of any civil rights movement -- is the problem here. You have a comic book view of reality in which women are evil villains, and that simply is not reality.

No, there is no symmetry in this situation. Time was when women were underrepresented in universities and professions it was regarded as being men's fault, which was true enough. Now that women control much of the educational process when men have become increasingly underrepresented in colleges and the professions it's still men's fault for being childish, unambitious or whatnot. But talk to young men and you find out that they regard academe as hostile to them in various ways. I can tell by what you say that you are blaming men, and that's not going to change on your part. Think of all the ways in which men are disrespected and hated in the universities and it will come as no surprise how many young men feel. By the same token men who enter marriage are at an extreme disadvantage. Any effort to change that is met by howls of rage from women. Any criticism of the institution of marriage is met by defensiveness on the part of women. They like the advantages they have, worthless false rationalizations about the way things are notwitstanding.
 
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If I could call you an asshole without getting reported, I would. But I can't. So I won't. ;)

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I think what the OP is trying to say - in essence - is that American women are pickier and will put up with a lot less crap then many other women in the world.
And though the OP author seems to definitely think this is a bad thing, I think that is ridiculous...it's a wonderful thing.

There are FAR too many women in the world who are forced to 'put up with crap' through no fault of their own. And there are FAR too many men like like their women like that...seen and not heard; subservient.
Fortunately, the numbers of these women are slowly diminishing as women's tights continue to grow...unfortunately, the chauvinist's of the world don't like this one little bit.
And this thread is an example of how the latter are whining about it.

Sad, pathetic, chauvinistic dinosaurs.

Really? Because domestic abuse is still very high in the U.S. I think you are trying to sell yourself on a pipe dream a little bit there.
 
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