Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?
What frustrates the hell out of me is the hypocrisy of this perspective. I'm an insecure man and need to make certain all females maintain their submissive status so I can feel manly. Hugh? It takes a much more confident and manly (by my definition) man to work with women as equals and recognize that who they control has nothing to do with their manliness and that in-fact the need to oppress and control others is an expression of weakness, frailty and a very unbecoming neediness not to mention it is all done at the expense of others happiness and freedom.
Frankly, the only real "hypocrisy" I see in this thread is how so many self-avowed "feminists" seem to have trouble grasping what's really going on here.
Over the course of the last half century, there has been a consistent effort by many female groups to essentially "rebel" against the cultural standards and expectations to which society has traditionally held their gender. In many regards, this rebellion has succeeded.
Well, I hate to break it to you, but the simple fact of the matter is that men are perfectly capable of "rebelling" too. :shrug:
Do you think all of the "leave it to beaver" style husbands who tended to characterize past generations actually
enjoyed busting their asses for 50 to 60 hours a week at jobs they most likely hated? Do you think they were glad for the stress induced early graves such occupations often lead them to?
Nope.
They did it anyway, because it was what society
expected them to do. They did it because they had families at home who needed to be fed, clothed, and sheltered, or they were expected to work towards the goal of eventually having one. In return, they were rewarded with sex, love, and affection from that family unit, and respect from society in general, which made the whole thing worth while.
Unfortunately, that expectation really isn't as strong these days as it was in the past. Women have spent the last fifty years yelling and screaming about how they don't
need men in their lives, and... Well, quite a few men have started to listen.
As a result of that, a lot of young men are looking at the old "expectations" placed upon their gender, and wondering why in the Hell they should even really bother in the first place.
After all, quite a few men can get sex pretty easily even outside of marriage these days. Frankly, even for those men who can't, marriage often tends to be a rather risky proposition, given the ludicrously high divorce rate in our society, and the disproportionate degree to which divorce legislation tends to favor wives over husbands.
Can you really even
blame a lot of men for slacking off a bit under these circumstances? What motivation do they have to succeed?
It's actually kind of ironic that so many "Liberated" women seem to have such a problem with the concept, to be honest.
You don't like slackers and effeminate "bitch men?" Well, the majority of men don't particularly care for domineering "career women" who tend to treat more traditional notions of femininity like a dirty word either.
If we have to deal with it, so do you. :lol:
Oh brother. Do some science. I mean, do some very basic impartial observation of how men and women act. Look at the men who women find attractive and observe their behavior. The men generally are highly respected, command authority, exude strength of character and of body. Feminist theory would have us believe that PajamaBoy is the pinnacle of manhood
Rather than this man:
Women are notorious for the huge chasm between their Expressed Preferences and their Revealed Preferences when it comes to describing what they find attractive in a man.
Tragic as the circumstances may be, I honestly can't help but be amused by the latent irony of the situation.
Feminists have gotten basically exactly what they wanted. Women are "independent" and male culture has, to a large extent, been defanged and emasculated in comparison to what existed in the pre-feminist era.
What have we found? Most of them
can't stand it. :lol:
They want to know where all the "real men" have gone, while completely ignoring the fact that it was the environment they were responsible for creating which played a large role in leading to the decline in prevalence of such "real men" in the first place.
then either they have to adapt or keep at it until they find the right match.
A lot of men
are adapting. It simply happens to be in a way which isn't especially productive to society in general, or much in line with women's preferences.
That's kind of exactly the problem.
Frankly, the worst part is, given how our society has been restructured in recent decades, it kind of makes perfect sense from an "objective interests" point of view.
Whining about it, or putting down women for wanting more....not manly....and that will make ya less attractive, no doubt!
Who's whining? I'm simply stating the facts.
Sure, I'm going to ridicule ridiculous statements along the lines of "money doesn't matter once you know a person," or the absurd premise that a never married singleton who probably hasn't dated in almost thirty years would know more about relationships and sexual attitudes among my age group than I do.
However, that is hardly "whining."
I'm doing the most "manly" thing I can right now, busting my butt trying to make something of myself in the worst economy since the Great Depression. It simply happens to be the case that this particular goal is best pursued
without the company of members of the opposite sex (who almost universally, are looking for someone a lot more established than myself anyway) for the time being.
Try to shame, browbeat, and ridicule me for that attitude if you will. I really couldn't care less.
I'm in no hurry about these kinds of things. :shrug:
