Re: Men: Would You Marry an American Woman?
There are plenty of sexually disinterested shut-ins, and people like myself, who have simply stopped trying to date, in the United States as well.
Most of the same driving principles which lead to this state of affairs in Japan, also lead to it here. There are simply fewer of them.
We're not talking about shut-ins. Shut-ins are very uncommon in Japan (est at less than 1%) and even more so in the US. There's no evidence that the # of shut-ins are increasing in the US. Let's not confuse the issue with yet another of your irrelevant distractions.
As far as the US having many of the same driving factors, I have identified several things about Japan that do not apply here. The only similarities are the declining birth rate and marriage rate. Otherwise, the nations are extremely different, both culturally and economically.
Plenty of people in the United States are guilty of number 5, and it is growing more common every year. Numbers 2 - 4 are arguably true of our society as well, but simply to a lesser degree than in Japan. Number 1 is, at the moment, anyway, peculiar to Japan.
No, #5 is not common in the US where living at home with one's parents is associated with being a loser, whereas in Japan there is absolutely no stigma attached to it. Saying that #2 is true completely contradicts claims you've made in other threads where you've said that young people are too promiscuous. #3 and #4 aren't even close to true. For the last twenty or so years, there have been plenty of married women in the workforce and they are not looked down upon and women are not fired for getting married. In fact, it is illegal to do so in the country.
However, all of this ultimately irrelevant, as none of these factors are the major driving forces behind Japan's current problems.
Again, even highly "progressive" societies, like Sweden, which take the economic edge off of childrearing almost entirely, suffer from the same problems with lack of marriages, slovenly men, and low birthrates as are faced by Japan.
They are all factors in Japan, as my extensive documentation proves. All you have done is ignore and deny the evidence in order to make baseless claims about Japan for which you have posted absolutely no evidence to support.
My family did it, and they did it on a salary that wasn't much more than 50K a year for most of the time I was growing up. :shrug:
It is viewed as being undesirable, however; so most people avoid it.
You mean people like you? Funny how when you reject marriage, it's solely because of economic reasons. When others do the same, it's because they prefer to pursue their career instead of marriage.
Again, what is the cost of living in Japan? How much does it cost to raise a family?
We already know that more than half of single men in Japan fall into the 2 to 6 million yen salary range. How much is needed?
And again, if those men don't make enough to date, they certainly don't make enough to support a family
I never said that it was particularly important to me for the time being. It is a long term goal, dependent upon certain outside conditions.
I see. You're special. Everyone in Japan is just selfish while you're a long-term planner. :roll:
Clearly that life style is more important to them than the marriages they claim to desire.
Clearly your lifestyle is more important to you than the marriage you claim to desire.
They have careers at all. Yes, it does.
Frankly, everything you've claimed here could be (and often is) claimed by feminist groups about United States' culture as well.
I have posted evidence that the women in Japan do not have careers. They have low-paying jobs, many of which are temp jobs.
And the % of women who work regularly has been going down, not up. You still have explained how that is evidence that the women today consider their careers to be more important than marriage.
[qute]Yes, all of which supports my claim that they
do not desire "traditional values" and are actually remaining single to avoid them.
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It sounds like you do not desire traditional values and are actually remaining single to avoid them.
Again, many of these same problems exist even in the most "gender equal" societies on Earth.
The stubbornness to which you refer undoubtedly plays a role in pushing Japan completely over the edge in comparison to other nations. However, it's not like the rest of the industrialized world was ever doing particularly great in this regard in the first place.
The "career oriented" model of female empowerment simply does not mesh with the notions of motherhood and committed relationships under most circumstances.
No, the circumstances in Japan are found nowhere else in any modern society. The notion of female empowerment has gone nowhere in Japan.
USATODAY.com - Female CEOs signal change at Japan firms
Women account for fewer than 0.8% of the CEOs at Japanese companies that have shares listed on the stock market. In the USA, women head nine (1.8%) of the Fortune 500 companies.
• Japan ranks well below average — No. 38 out of 58 countries studied — in providing economic opportunities to women, according to a recent study by the World Economic Forum. (The USA ranked No. 17, and Sweden was No. 1.)
• Women are the top executives at just 5.64% of all registered Japanese companies, a percentage that has been rising but at an excruciating pace — from 5.53% in 2000, according to the research firm Teikoku Databank.
• Just 3% of Japanese companies have a woman on their boards, vs. more than 86% for U.S. companies, according to Corporate Women Directors International, a non-profit organization dedicated to getting more women on corporate boards. The 27 Japanese companies in the Fortune Global 200 last year had just three female directors — 0.7% of their total directors, lowest in the world.
That is their perception. It doesn't mean that it is necessarily true on an objective basis.
They can't afford to date, and you think they can afford to support a family. Even the link you posted said it's nearly impossible for most of these young men to support a family on their income.
That would only render the situation difficult, not impossible.
Your own link described it as impossible for most young men.
I find it exceptionally hard to believe that so large a portion of Japanese society could be destitute as to be rendered completely incapable of supporting a family.
Yes, I know. No matter how much evidence has been posted, including from the link that *you* posted, you will not believe it.
According to some studies, many Japanese men who actually can support themselves simply prefer to be single.
Maybe they can support themselves, but they can not support a family. Even your own link says it's impossible for most young men.
An internet poll? Seriously dude?
You just got done telling me how someone can say anything on a poll. Now you're using a poll (of just 300 people who were self-selected) to "prove" you're right?
And you do know how inaccurate self-selected polls are right? I mean, you are an analyst.
