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Should marijuana be legal?

Legalize it?

  • Yes, recreational marijuana should be legal

    Votes: 63 85.1%

  • Only medicinal marijuana should be allowed

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • No, don't do it.

    Votes: 4 5.4%

  • Justin Bieber looks just like Miley Cyrus

    Votes: 4 5.4%
  • Total voters
    74
Kreton said:
If you live in a condo association I am positive there are people who smoke weed. Face it buddy you are surrounded by potheads. There is nothing you can do about it.
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In the development, surely there are a couple of wastes of flesh and oxygen. Thankfully I don't have to deal with the whole group, just the people in my building (my fiance and I don't use any of the shared facilities in the development - pool, sports fields, etc...). What I can do is to control what goes on in my unit and to ensure I've moved into a building where the chances of its presence are as low as possible.
 
MoSurveyor said:
I'm sure many feel the same way about guns and CCW. And, no, the Constitution does not say you have the right to walk down Main St with a loaded Glock, so don't even go there.
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Yes, many do, and I go out of my way to avoid their homes, businesses, etc.... My fiance and I avoided the 4th birthday party of one of her nephews last Monday because it was at Chuck E Cheese, where they don't allow firearms possession.
 
Tigger said:
In the development, surely there are a couple of wastes of flesh and oxygen. Thankfully I don't have to deal with the whole group, just the people in my building (my fiance and I don't use any of the shared facilities in the development - pool, sports fields, etc...). What I can do is to control what goes on in my unit and to ensure I've moved into a building where the chances of its presence are as low as possible.
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Considering that you spend a significant portion of your day hanging out with potheads I think you do accept its use. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find that you are a closet smoker.
 
Kreton said:
Considering that you spend a significant portion of your day hanging out with potheads I think you do accept its use. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find that you are a closet smoker.
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How do you come up with the idea that I hang around with potheads? I have never used it, and never will. Hell, I've never used any illicit drug, never smoked, and you can count the number of alcoholic drinks I have in a year on one hand's worth of fingers.
 
Tigger said:
How do you come up with the idea that I hang around with potheads? I have never used it, and never will. Hell, I've never used any illicit drug, never smoked, and you can count the number of alcoholic drinks I have in a year on one hand's worth of fingers.
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You hang out on here with all of us on DP a lot. This site has quite a few "users". You've been with me all morning and I am baked.

Also this is exactly what a closet smoker would say so that people wouldn't know. Coincidence?
 
Kreton said:
You hang out on here with all of us on DP a lot. This site has quite a few "users". You've been with me all morning and I am baked.

Also this is exactly what a closet smoker would say so that people wouldn't know. Coincidence?
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Ever think maybe there's a reason I keep you folks on the other side of a computer screen, Kreton.

As for being a closet smoker.... that would be very easy for me. I've got severe glaucoma in both eyes and live in a medical marijuana state. Both of my brothers-in-law to be are constant pot smokers. Getting it would be no problem for me. However, some of us actually believe in morals and values. I turned a roommate in during my freshman year in college for having that **** in our dorm room. I take considerable offense at the fact that you think I would ever even consider puting that putrid filth in my body.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I just came back from Colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal. Would you like to see it in your state? Why or why not?
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I'd like to see it so we can start decreasing jail terms for non-violent drug users and because it's not the government's business.
 
Tigger said:
Ever think maybe there's a reason I keep you folks on the other side of a computer screen, Kreton.

As for being a closet smoker.... that would be very easy for me. I've got severe glaucoma in both eyes and live in a medical marijuana state. Both of my brothers-in-law to be are constant pot smokers. Getting it would be no problem for me. However, some of us actually believe in morals and values. I turned a roommate in during my freshman year in college for having that **** in our dorm room. I take considerable offense at the fact that you think I would ever even consider puting that putrid filth in my body.
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How is it moral to take a pill to control glaucoma, but immoral to use pot for the same purpose? That makes no sense at all to me.
 
Tigger said:
Ever think maybe there's a reason I keep you folks on the other side of a computer screen, Kreton.

As for being a closet smoker.... that would be very easy for me. I've got severe glaucoma in both eyes and live in a medical marijuana state. Both of my brothers-in-law to be are constant pot smokers. Getting it would be no problem for me. However, some of us actually believe in morals and values. I turned a roommate in during my freshman year in college for having that **** in our dorm room. I take considerable offense at the fact that you think I would ever even consider puting that putrid filth in my body.
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What if the active chemical was extracted and placed in an oil medium, for example, allowing application without smoking?

Not even sure that's possible, but it sounds like your main issue is the smoking part, or ingesting the plant directly
 
If the taxes could be used to pay for "entitlements" I'm all for it!
 
Dittohead not! said:
Come to think of it, I don't believe that is one of the enumerated powers listed in the Constitution.
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Well, when you call growing something in your backyard part and parcel to the power to regulate interstate commerce with the 'total incidence' test.....
 
Dittohead not! said:
How is it moral to take a pill to control glaucoma, but immoral to use pot for the same purpose? That makes no sense at all to me.
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Well, immoral? No? But that still doesn't mean the pill may not be the medically more appropriate prescription.

Marijuana is not a panacea, its still basically bad for you and something that can be abused. Its medicinal uses are relatively limited. That being said, if you and your doctor think its necessary, fine....but you get the point, right? You take aspirin before morphine.....
 
Only "original sinners" claim that potentially, seed bearing plant is bad and not good; should we confide in their sincerity over that of a god?
 
Dittohead not! said:
How is it moral to take a pill to control glaucoma, but immoral to use pot for the same purpose? That makes no sense at all to me.
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It's about the side effects. The two drops I currently take don't have any effect on my mental and cognitive abilities. The use of marijuana cannot say the same thing.


The Mark said:
What if the active chemical was extracted and placed in an oil medium, for example, allowing application without smoking? Not even sure that's possible, but it sounds like your main issue is the smoking part, or ingesting the plant directly
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My main problem is the mind altering affects of marijuana when used. IF, and only IF, the chemical could be extracted in such a way that there were no mind-altering side effects and the facilities growing the plant were not capable of turning the organic material into a version with mind-altering capabilities I would CONSIDER it.
 
Tigger said:
It's about the side effects. The two drops I currently take don't have any effect on my mental and cognitive abilities. The use of marijuana cannot say the same thing.

My main problem is the mind altering affects of marijuana when used. IF, and only IF, the chemical could be extracted in such a way that there were no mind-altering side effects and the facilities growing the plant were not capable of turning the organic material into a version with mind-altering capabilities I would CONSIDER it.
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I don't mind being more "euphoric" when about my chores.
 
Tigger said:
That's why I attempt to avoid as many medications as I can. I'm currently taking two eye drops without side effects for my glaucoma. In the past 5 months I've also started a small dose blood pressure medication without side effects and an anti-convulsory medication which tends to make me quite tired, but thankfully doesn't seem to have any other side effects. Personally, I'd love to be able to get off all four medications if it was possible. Hell, I don't even take pain killers unless it's absolutely necessary. I had 31 teeth pulled over 8 days back in 2004 without filling either pain medication prescription that I was given because I don't like the side effects.
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That's a wise choice, avoiding unnecessary medications. What does moral/immoral have to do with it though?
 
danielpalos said:
I don't mind being more "euphoric" when about my chores.
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So you are 100% certain that you could deal with ANY situation that might arise while you were in that state? You'd be willing to write your last will and testament, get married, or do a business deal in that state, correct? If not then the altered mental state is immoral.

Dittohead not! said:
That's a wise choice, avoiding unnecessary medications. What does moral/immoral have to do with it though?
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With marijuana, it's about the lack of capability to make proper decisions and take care of oneself while in that state. The altered mental state created by use places one in a position of abdicating their responsibility to take care of themselves in case of an emergency. That abdication, without previously ensuring someone else is there to make those decisions for you is IMMORAL on its very basis.
 
Tigger said:
So you are 100% certain that you could deal with ANY situation that might arise while you were in that state? You'd be willing to write your last will and testament, get married, or do a business deal in that state, correct? If not then the altered mental state is immoral.



With marijuana, it's about the lack of capability to make proper decisions and take care of oneself while in that state. The altered mental state created by use places one in a position of abdicating their responsibility to take care of themselves in case of an emergency. That abdication, without previously ensuring someone else is there to make those decisions for you is IMMORAL on its very basis.
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OK, much like drinking without having a designated driver. If you do have a designated driver, or someone willing to help if necessary, is it still immoral?

To me, immorality involves harm to another person, not to oneself.
 
Dittohead not! said:
OK, much like drinking without having a designated driver. If you do have a designated driver, or someone willing to help if necessary, is it still immoral?
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Sort of. Though I do not see any need for public intoxication (the consumption of alcohol in a public place) either. The designated driver makes the issue better, though placing oneself in the mental state to need one is still an issue in my mind.

Dittohead not! said:
To me, immorality involves harm to another person, not to oneself.
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To me part of Immorality is placing oneself in any position where you are not capable of taking care of yourself.
 
Tigger said:
So you are 100% certain that you could deal with ANY situation that might arise while you were in that state? You'd be willing to write your last will and testament, get married, or do a business deal in that state, correct? If not then the altered mental state is immoral.
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I could ask the same of practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy. I, for one, would like to be able to invest in morals testing companies on a for-profit basis instead of only drug testing companies.
 
danielpalos said:
I could ask the same of practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy. I, for one, would like to be able to invest in morals testing companies on a for-profit basis instead of only drug testing companies.
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If American companies were allowed to test for Morals rather than just drugs/alcohol during the hiring process, 99% of Americans would be unemployed.
 
Tigger said:
If American companies were allowed to test for Morals rather than just drugs/alcohol during the hiring process, 99% of Americans would be unemployed.
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So, why criminalize, acquiring and possessing even controversial forms of private property?
 
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