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This makes me sick

Should Staff Sergeant Cherish Byres get a dsihonorable discharge

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notquiteright said:
Ahhh so you are now claiming lineage back to colonial times... IC.
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I've got a SAR card to prove it, thank you very much.

notquiteright said:
Did he call the enemy sub-human or is that your idea?
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Actually his terms for them, and most of the indigenous peoples were far less polite than that, to be honest.

notquiteright said:
Odd he pulls security work in Iraq- most were kicked out, what is the company name?
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He has been back there three times in the last couple of years. I honestly don't know which company it is he has worked for most recently. Most of the information I've gotten in the last two years has been through his mother, my aunt. I know he's due back shortly, if he isn't back already. He now lives down in Texas, for those few months a year he's actually been in the United States recently.
 
calamity said:
No. I just don't live in the past...and, I certainly do not glorify war.
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You are really embarrassing yourself in this thread. Visiting Pearl Harbor is hardly 'glorifying war'. It's paying tribute to those who died so that you have the freedom to visit Oahu and check out the waves. That you don't understand this is sad.
 
Wiggen said:
You are really embarrassing yourself in this thread. Visiting Pearl Harbor is hardly 'glorifying war'. It's paying tribute to those who died so that you have the freedom to visit Oahu and check out the waves. That you don't understand this is sad.
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When Hawaii was "attacked" it wasn't even a state. So, forgive me for not seeing how anything that happened there affects my freedom.

Granted, it is a nice vacation destination today. But....it's not like Japan was bombing US cities and threatening our freedom. Ok?
 
calamity said:
When Hawaii was "attacked" it wasn't even a state. So, forgive me for not seeing how anything that happened there affects my freedom.

Granted, it is a nice vacation destination today. But....it's not like Japan was bombing US cities and threatening our freedom. Ok?
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Even i know not to disrespect the dead
 
A dishonorable is about the same thing as the death penalty to the military. I seen exactly one the entire time I was in legal and it was for a guy with a kilo of cocaine on base and a history of bad actions.
digsbe said:
I don't know about dishonorable discharge (seems a little extreme), but some kind of disciplinary action should be taken.
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calamity said:
There haven't been any significant numbers of American POW's for 40 years. Get over it. Move on.
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No significant numbers?

If it's your kid or your spouse then ONE is pretty damned significant!!:censored
 
I just don't see this as something that worthy of calling for this airman to get discharged over. Sure, it deserves punishment, but nothing more than NJP is needed here.
 
In this country we do not elevate symbols over people. Ever. No one has to treat any symbol any specific way. What is truly sickening is the idea that those who are fighting for this country are not entitled to its basic liberties. Even if someone could demonstrate that she intended disrespect toward POWs (which doesn't seem to be the case, she was simply joking around), she is entitled to do that. Unless this is somehow an interference with her duties (which I don't see how it could be), the idea that she should face punishment for exercising her rights as an American is ludicrous.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You are far more forgiving than I am. To me the pic shows disrespect for those who came before you and you should not be a member of our military.
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I understand your position and agree it is very disrespectful. This group and that symbol for you and I hold a very special place in our hearts. We follow it, believe in it and know what it's about. Hell I have a very close friend of my family that was a POW. His stories are horrifying and his ordeal was insane. Unfortunately not everyone feels that way or even are aware it exists. And as much as I would like to string up anyone who would disgrace it, I would rather have them learn about the cause and become an advocate for it. It would be great to have a lot of younger service people get involved.

If she was not interested in my solution then she can get to packing. Loosing all of the benefits and honors provided thus far.
 
This poll is garbage.... it's either end her career and lively hood for a mistake she made three years ago... Or "Whats the big deal" Seriously? this woman NEEDS to be punished this is a disgusting photo and a mockery of the men and woman who have suffered in the US military for years. She needs to be punished maybe lose rank, maybe something else but we should not ignore this nor should we kick her out. Please add more poll options next time the world is not black and white :/
 
Tigger said:
I've got a SAR card to prove it, thank you very much. Actually his terms for them, and most of the indigenous peoples were far less polite than that, to be honest. He has been back there three times in the last couple of years. I honestly don't know which company it is he has worked for most recently. Most of the information I've gotten in the last two years has been through his mother, my aunt. I know he's due back shortly, if he isn't back already. He now lives down in Texas, for those few months a year he's actually been in the United States recently.
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Ahhh, if you understand our colonial history you'd know it was never part of our military history to scalp our enemies. for the most part it was to ensure the natives could in someway prove they had attacked someone (no real guarantee it was actually the enemy) So our military didn't adopt scalping as part of military 'decorum'. No regular militia units scalped dead soldiers, no colonial officers in the militia ordered the enemy dead to be so desecrated. but nice try.

So racial or spiecal slurs runs in the family? The vets and security men I've helped train didn't say sub-human. The most popular one started with sand. Like a great deal of your claims some salt is required to choke it down.

Don't need his current. any of the firms he worked through will be fine... (hint google a few of the firms and just name one, seems to be the trend)

This cousin must be a special in several ways- first a great deal of contract security is outsources to the Former Eastern Bloc countries, and most Americans who have 'years' in the game only come home for less than 30 days a year, not a 'few months'- taxes and all that. the contractors I know get paid by a European office of the security firm, bank it overseas, only come home for a few weeks a year and when done on the contract bleed the money back home in smaller money orders.

All in all it seems from our colonial times to now Iraq you don't really have a clue what the military does. (and really have not spoken to soldiers- even those in Texas)

But like many who never served- sure have a high and mighty opinion of what decorum should be, well along a narrow subset when it suits :roll:
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I guess this pic has gone viral. It makes me want to vomit and this so called lady needs to be dishonorably discharged IMO.

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Due to social media and the 'viral' affect, it is now common for something deserving of punishment to go high and right into outright separation. I don't know anything about this lady, but she is probably young, immature, and poorly supervised. She deserves punishment. I don't think this needs to be a career ender for her. Her unfortunate mistake was posting this or allowing it to be posted on the internet. Most young people don't understand until it is too late that things on the internet are permanent and that impulsively posting something can come back to haunt them for years. Let's not let your instantaneous (if not justified) 'outrage' destroy the life of someone that volunteered to serve our country, disgusting though her screw up may have been.
 
Wonder what would happen if it was a woman's outline she was kissing?
 
Imagine how far back you would have to go with lewd behavior.
I don't imagine pissing on dead enemy soldiers caused any harm to our World-Wide image huh,
let alone how many of our soldiers may have died due to more Muslims joining up.

And we all know how brilliant "Bring It On" was, a quote that will live in infamy .
mak2 said:
I too think she should get NJP, lose a stripe, which would be a career killer. But if this happened would we have a bunch of threads about Obama running good NCO's out of the service?
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What if she wasn't paying attention to the background and didn't realize it was an American POW?

Seems more like a joke than a horrible crime.
 
So now you're the decider of what kind of American people are, once again.
I thought we had an agreement on that.
Back to wearing your faux outrage on your sleeves over Patriotism .
sawyerloggingon said:
You really had no idea what that symbol was? WTF kind of American are you?
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Tigger said:
Who cares? That sort of sentiment shouldn't surprise me from a Liberal like you.
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How very presumptive of you to throw out a blanket statement that Liberals feel that way.
I wish my Air Force Dad was still around to tell you what he thinks of your categorizing .
 
Tigger said:
Of fellow military personnel, yes. Of the sub-human enemies of this nation, no.
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This says it all about very conservatives, eh.
See how that works when you make blanket statements.
Besides, statements of complete disrespect to any dead enemy soldier you say deserves to be pissed on, says all we need to know about you .
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I guess this pic has gone viral. It makes me want to vomit and this so called lady needs to be dishonorably discharged IMO.

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Highly inappropriate but not something that cannot be corrected and ultimately forgiven.

I've never liked the mindset that says if someone does something inappropriate, the response should always be they lose their job. I support corrective and restorative discipline when necessary.
 
I don't see the picture as mocking. It could be interpreted exactly the opposite.

Never, once, when a woman put her tongue in my mouth did I interpret that as her "mocking" me.
 
Symbols are symbols, not the actual thing or idea represented. Arguably, she was showing attraction to the man in the POW logo. It was probably just a silly joke and no actual POW/MIAs were harmed, only people looking for a reason to be outraged.
 
mak2 said:
A dishonorable is about the same thing as the death penalty to the military. I seen exactly one the entire time I was in legal and it was for a guy with a kilo of cocaine on base and a history of bad actions.
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A dishonorable discharge strips a person permanently of many citizen rights, including gun ownership.

Many members of this forum are wannabe insecure little Nazis who want maximum penalties against anyone who doesn't act the way they like - the verdict of couch potatoes and isolated internet addicts in my opinion. I do not see mocking, I do not see any violation of any military rules I can think of, and if anyone doesn't like it tough ****, don't look.
 
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