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This makes me sick

Should Staff Sergeant Cherish Byres get a dsihonorable discharge


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meh...who cares?

Who cares? That sort of sentiment shouldn't surprise me from a Liberal like you, but it does most certainly disgust me. Apparently you assume that our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Coastguardsmen and Marines should be allowed to turn the services into little more than frat party keggers where there is no expectation of discipline or military etiquette.
 
OK american, sorry I went off on you. It was just so obvious to me and made me so freakin mad that I assumed everyone knew what it was, my mistake.:peace

Thank you. I knew it was vaguely familiar but it looked a little different in the picture you posted.
 
Not to put too fine a point on it but in the military decorum is called military bearing.
 
Disrespectful? Yes. Highly in fact. Pretty disgusting behavior for a military person.

Worth kicking her out over? No.

Reduction in rank. Possibly.

Some kind of punishment is surely reasonable. Just not sure how harsh it should be. Certainly not career ending.
 
Would that include pissing on bodies of the dead?

Of fellow military personnel, yes. Of the sub-human enemies of this nation, no.

BTW - My family's military service on this continent ranges from Afghanistan and Iraq all the way back to the day and age where taking scalps of the dead was considered appropriate military decorum, thank you very much.

That said she appears to be an AF staffer- not really 'military'... ;)

If she's wearing a uniform then I would expect her to live up to proper military discipline, regardless of the role she is in.

tacky as hell for sure, but if it makes you want to vomit you should never fly in a jet, ride a roller coaster- hell stay away from the Merry-go-round.

I go out of my way not to do those sorts of things. I find no real pleasure in them and more often than not a massive amount of stress.
 
Who cares? That sort of sentiment shouldn't surprise me from a Liberal like you, but it does most certainly disgust me. Apparently you assume that our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Coastguardsmen and Marines should be allowed to turn the services into little more than frat party keggers where there is no expectation of discipline or military etiquette.
There haven't been any significant numbers of American POW's for 40 years. Get over it. Move on.
 
I guess this pic has gone viral. It makes me want to vomit and this so called lady needs to be dishonorably discharged IMO.

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Interestingly...she is an E4 wearing a braided rope. If she is at Fairchild, then she is on the "Honor Guard". That makes you wonder a bit...

The fact is that people grow up with a completely different perspective. Someone who grew up in the Viet Nam Era would understand that picture quite well. Someone that grew up raised with patriotic beliefs and understandings would be moved by the POW symbol. Someone that grew up in a detached home, violent community, affluent community, and any number of other circumstances may not have the background experiences to 'care', even if they were taught what the symbol reflects.

And lets be honest...young people do stupid things. So do older folks sometimes. I thank God there were no cell phones and cameras during my developmental years. I think an LOC is certainly in order, as well as an assignment to service with a few retired/disabled vet organizations and a letter of apology. This is a good teaching opportunity.
 
There haven't been any significant numbers of American POW's for 40 years. Get over it. Move on.

So that makes it alright because there haven't been any significant numbers of American POWs?
 
So that makes it alright because there haven't been any significant numbers of American POWs?
It makes it a "who cares" non-event.
 
Of fellow military personnel, yes. Of the sub-human enemies of this nation, no. BTW - My family's military service on this continent ranges from Afghanistan and Iraq all the way back to the day and age where taking scalps of the dead was considered appropriate military decorum, thank you very much. If she's wearing a uniform then I would expect her to live up to proper military discipline, regardless of the role she is in. I go out of my way not to do those sorts of things. I find no real pleasure in them and more often than not a massive amount of stress.

Ahhh the old racial superiority of calling the enemy sub-human... how 'noble' of you. Seems I recall that 'reason' was used by a European Army during WWII.

It never was OUR military decorum to scalp our enemies- it is too bad the family members you claim to have that served recently didn't tell you 'the rest of the story' on what 'military' folks do. You have the 'never-served' our country's warped view of what we who did serve really do. Profane just doesn't cover it. the only question is getting caught or not. But keep your Cherry high and mighty standards- you of course never had to live up to them.

I suspect she will be disciplined, but not discharged and those who are 'sickened' by this need to grow up. I was looking at the OP on that one
 
Sawyer, some people didn't recognize that from your pic. That is why I went to get the article and so did Maggie.

Edit: If you could, there should be another option listed though if you're serious about the poll. An option for non-judicial punishment (aka Article 15). I think she should be punished, but not kicked out.

Honestly, I couldn't figure out what she was in front of in that picture either until someone pointed it out. Admittedly, once understanding what it was it went from "meh" to "That's not really proper to do, especially in uniform"
 
There haven't been any significant numbers of American POW's for 40 years. Get over it. Move on.

So long as there is even a SINGLE American military member who is a Prisoner of War or Missing in Action I will not "Get over it" or "Move on". You want to know why?....

My father was not prone to emotional outbursts. He was a pretty stoic individual. Among the very few times I ever saw him get emotional were our trip to the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial in Washington D.C. and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetary during a vacation in the summer of 1991. We stayed there long enough to have the opportunity to witness the changing of the guard at the tomb and it was clearly a moving experience for him. In talking to him afterwards about why we would have such a place, his explaination was very simply..... We asked these men and women to go and do their duty to this nation. They paid the highest price possible for agreeing to do that service. We owe it to them to make sure that every US Servicemember is found.... alive or dead, so they and their family can have closure. I've always remembered that.
 
So that makes it alright because there haven't been any significant numbers of American POWs?

I'm guessing Calamity must be one to tell blacks to "move on" when talking about slavery sinc ethat was even more than 40 years ago.
 
Correct, however, in this case I could see non-judicial punishment being handed out.

sort of like "ADMINISTRATIVE PUNISHMENT" in Starship Troopers
 
It never was OUR military decorum to scalp our enemies- it is too bad the family members you claim to have that served recently didn't tell you 'the rest of the story' on what 'military' folks do. You have the 'never-served' our country's warped view of what we who did serve really do. Profane just doesn't cover it. the only question is getting caught or not. But keep your Cherry high and mighty standards- you of course never had to live up to them.

Go all the way back to the French-Indian War and you may find that Colonial decorum was very different than even what it was by the time of the American Revolution. Actually, the most recent one served for a relatively limited period of time (6 years I believe, as a combat medic in the 82nd Airborne) because he became disheartened by the ROE and other restrictions currently in place on US Military personnel. He now works for a private security firm and is currently assigned to a position in Baghdad, Iraq.
 
I am absolutely convinced that the girl did not occur to offend POW, just a beautiful combination of scarlet tongue and black contour of a man.
 
Go all the way back to the French-Indian War and you may find that Colonial decorum was very different than even what it was by the time of the American Revolution. Actually, the most recent one served for a relatively limited period of time (6 years I believe, as a combat medic in the 82nd Airborne) because he became disheartened by the ROE and other restrictions currently in place on US Military personnel. He now works for a private security firm and is currently assigned to a position in Baghdad, Iraq.

Ahhh so you are now claiming lineage back to colonial times... IC.

But again you have no real understanding of what happens in the service- well not past the bitching a relative of yours 'shared' with you...:roll:

Did he call the enemy sub-human or is that your idea? ROE in counter-insurgency has ALWAYS been SOP- I guess your relatives didn't study COIN.

Odd he pulls security work in Iraq- most were kicked out, what is the company name?

But once again... you have no idea what military decorum really is- just some overblown concept you project on others... :doh
 
I just heard about this on FOX. WTF is going on here?

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I see that symbol as something this country should and does show great respect for. I would insist on anyone wearing the uniform of a U.S. Service person would show GREAT respect for it. Especially considering it could be their ass on the line someday. This symbol helps keep fresh in the mind that we still have service members that are missing in action. In fact the president is currently looking into trading some GITMO prisoners of war for one of our own at this very moment.

I think punishment is in line. Discharge shouldn't be one of those punishments. I would however believe required study of that symbol and some volunteer work is mandatory so this Airmen doesn't make this same mistake twice.

I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt that just because she wears the uniform doesn't automatically give her the understanding of what the symbol means. What better way to help her learn than to have her participate with the group? She might end up being the biggest advocate for the cause.
 
So I guess you would visit Pearl Harbor and laugh.
I guess you don't understand the term "who cares?".

I simply would not visit PH. Waste of time. When on Oahu, I head to the North Shore to watch surfers ride 30-foot waves, then take a flight to the better islands.
 
I guess you don't understand the term "who cares?".

I simply would not visit PH. Waste of time. When on Oahu, I head to the North Shore to watch surfers ride 30-foot waves, then take a flight to the better islands.

You are a good example of an entitled ungrateful spoiled American child. God help us.
 
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