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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
    91
Look I won't call you a misogynist if you stop calling me an idiot. Deal?

It is not a fact. It is your opinion. You cling to it because organically it makes sense in your brain. Factually however, it doesn't.

Date rape is rampant because men are let off the hook by being provided excuses like this, campuses don't take the claims seriously, the victim is blamed and shamed. Not because the woman dresses sexy or is flirtatious.

It most definitely plays a role in why women (especially YOUNG women and teens) are very hesitant to come forward and press charges, because they know that their reputations will be dragged through the mud, they will be embarrassed, shamed and humiliated, and there is a LOT of stigma that follows them around. Like in your tragic story, the girl committed suicide because her life was miserable, and I've read other stories where women have no choice but to have to move out of their towns/cities. This is why I don't think anything about the victim should be allowed as evidence in a trial, and especially not her clothing, unless she was nude. However, there is the catch-22 in all of this in that there ARE false allegations sometimes and our suspects ARE innocent until PROVEN guilty, so we do have to take "behavior" into consideration during a trial. Women also NEED to go have a rape kit done at the hospital if they've been raped, because that is also quite embarrassing and humiliating and after being raped I can't blame them for not wanting to, but that is really important for evidence in the trial.
 
Easily.



I hope you realize that I'm not going to stop doing this. :lol:

good, i dont want you to stop
because every time you post that it proves your post was BS and it completely fails

you still dodge the second request also which totally exposes your failed posts

and what you keep trying to post about desperately trying to cling to fails also is proven fals with fact

would you like proof?
sure its easy
look at what i said ACTUALLY AND FACTUALLY said and its context to Chrisl

now look at the complete BS you claimed i said

And how well does the "ignore bad people and hope they simply go away" strategy generally tend to work in reality, J?
1.) Because that's what you just flat out said. That women "shouldn't alter their behavior" to be more safe.
once again none of this BS was ever said by me as proven . . . AGAIN

now on to the next BS you posted
All attitudes like your's accomplish is to put women too young and reckless to know any better at risk by giving them a false sense of security.

by all means factually back this BS up, id love to read it, why do you keep dodging this request


facts win again and your post is destroyed again
now can you back up your two claims or will you dodge them again and prove your post wrong again
 
Unfortunately people do still think this way as Gathomas has so painfully demonstrated for us here. It is backwards and rooted in the notion that women who like sex are bad girls and less likely to deny a sexual advance then one who does not advertise her sexuality. And besides, rape is not about out of control sexual desire it is an act of violence.

The problem with changing your dress so that you are not victimized is that any innocent gesture is often construed by the rapist as an invitation. A smile or a friendly comment, even a glance in their direction.

yes, I could imagine that a someone with the mindset of a rapist could even believe in his mind that a woman "wanted him" even if she completely ignored him once he's set his mind on a victim.
 
Look I won't call you a misogynist if you stop calling me an idiot. Deal?

It is not a fact. It is your opinion. You cling to it because organically it makes sense in your brain. Factually however, it doesn't.

Date rape is rampant because men are let off the hook by being provided excuses like this, campuses don't take the claims seriously, the victim is blamed and shamed. Not because the woman dresses sexy or is flirtatious.

I can guarantee you, that if women stopped entering these kinds of environments, or, at the very least, stopped indulging in the behaviors I mentioned in my previous post, the rape rate on college campuses would plummet overnight. Unscrupulous men simply wouldn't have the opportunity to attack anyone.

While I absolutely agree that offenders should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law where their guilt can actually be proven, that is not going to make the problem in question go away in and of itself. Like murder, rape is as old as humanity itself, and so are the kinds of men that commit it.

The only defense against their type a woman really has is vigilance.
 
by all means factually back this BS up, id love to read it, why do you keep dodging this request

Again...

and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.

Why don't you actually tell us what your solution to the problem would be, J? :roll:
 
good, i dont want you to stop
because every time you post that it proves your post was BS and it completely fails

you still dodge the second request also which totally exposes your failed posts

and what you keep trying to post about desperately trying to cling to fails also is proven fals with fact

would you like proof?
sure its easy
look at what i said ACTUALLY AND FACTUALLY said and its context to Chrisl

now look at the complete BS you claimed i said



once again none of this BS was ever said by me as proven . . . AGAIN

now on to the next BS you posted


by all means factually back this BS up, id love to read it, why do you keep dodging this request


facts win again and your post is destroyed again
now can you back up your two claims or will you dodge them again and prove your post wrong again

I don't think Gathomas is 100% wrong. I think he is trying to describe how the RAPIST might look at woman, and I don't think that HE is trying to put blame on the women, but just to say that the rapist MAY look at you in this way if you are dressed provocatively, and I think he may be right in very few instances, but I really think that you could take all the precautions in the world, and if you are targeted for rape it is not because of anything you did. (the "in general" you of course - lol).
 
It most definitely plays a role in why women (especially YOUNG women and teens) are very hesitant to come forward and press charges, because they know that their reputations will be dragged through the mud, they will be embarrassed, shamed and humiliated, and there is a LOT of stigma that follows them around. Like in your tragic story, the girl committed suicide because her life was miserable, and I've read other stories where women have no choice but to have to move out of their towns/cities. This is why I don't think anything about the victim should be allowed as evidence in a trial, and especially not her clothing, unless she was nude. However, there is the catch-22 in all of this in that there ARE false allegations sometimes and our suspects ARE innocent until PROVEN guilty, so we do have to take "behavior" into consideration during a trial. Women also NEED to go have a rape kit done at the hospital if they've been raped, because that is also quite embarrassing and humiliating and after being raped I can't blame them for not wanting to, but that is really important for evidence in the trial.

I agree with you except for the section I made bold.

This implies that the sexual behavior of the woman should have some role in determining whether or not she is telling the truth about being raped. Her promiscuity, if that is the case however, is irrelevant because promiscuous women can still be raped. Also, promiscuity in a man does not make him a less credible witness so it should not make a woman a less credible one.

I can see if the women had a history of making false claims or mental illness or something else that made legitimately called her character into question but nothing about her sexual behavior should matter.
 
The problem with changing your dress so that you are not victimized is that any innocent gesture is often construed by the rapist as an invitation. A smile or a friendly comment, even a glance in their direction.

Why would you want to make that perceived "invitation" any more blatant then, or provide the man in question with the actual opportunity to possibly attack you through reckless behavior?
 
yes, I could imagine that a someone with the mindset of a rapist could even believe in his mind that a woman "wanted him" even if she completely ignored him once he's set his mind on a victim.

I read several interviews with convicted rapists and they repeatedly misread "cues" from their victims, considering a smile or eye contact as a signal to them that they "wanted it."
 
I can guarantee you, that if women stopped entering these kinds of environments, or, at the very least, stopped indulging in the behaviors I mentioned in my previous post, the rape rate on college campuses would plummet overnight. Unscrupulous men simply wouldn't have the opportunity to attack anyone.

While I absolutely agree that offenders should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law where their guilt can actually be proven, that is not going to make the problem in question go away in and of itself. Like murder, rape is as old as humanity itself, and so are the kinds of men that commit it.

The only defense against their type a woman really has is vigilance.

Gathomas, if this were the case then rape would be RARE in the Middle East countries where women DO dress conservatively and do have to have a male chaperon with them, but rape is NOT rare in those countries. That is because it really doesn't have anything to do with how a woman dresses, or even presents herself in a lot of cases but that the rapist is mentally deficient.
 
1.)Again...

2.)Why don't you actually tell us what your solution to the problem would be, J? :roll:

1.)AWESOME you keep doubling down on the fact your post was wrong

here the proof again for entertainment

would you like proof?
sure its easy
look at what i said ACTUALLY AND FACTUALLY said and its context to Chrisl

now look at the complete BS you claimed i said

And how well does the "ignore bad people and hope they simply go away" strategy generally tend to work in reality, J?
1.) Because that's what you just flat out said. That women "shouldn't alter their behavior" to be more safe.
once again none of this BS was ever said by me as proven . . . AGAIN

now on to the next BS you posted
All attitudes like your's accomplish is to put women too young and reckless to know any better at risk by giving them a false sense of security.

by all means factually back this BS up, id love to read it, why do you keep dodging this request


facts win again and your post is destroyed again
now can you back up your two claims or will you dodge them again and prove your post wrong again

2.) who is us, you are in the super vast minority?
also tell me what the factual "problem" is
 
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I agree with you except for the section I made bold.

This implies that the sexual behavior of the woman should have some role in determining whether or not she is telling the truth about being raped. Her promiscuity, if that is the case however, is irrelevant because promiscuous women can still be raped. Also, promiscuity in a man does not make him a less credible witness so it should not make a woman a less credible one.

I can see if the women had a history of making false claims or mental illness or something else that made legitimately called her character into question but nothing about her sexual behavior should matter.

I don't mean her "past" sexual behaviors, but her behavior on the day in question, with the person in question.
 
I don't think Gathomas is 100% wrong. I think he is trying to describe how the RAPIST might look at woman, and I don't think that HE is trying to put blame on the women, but just to say that the rapist MAY look at you in this way if you are dressed provocatively, and I think he may be right in very few instances, but I really think that you could take all the precautions in the world, and if you are targeted for rape it is not because of anything you did. (the "in general" you of course - lol).

Exactly. While I would say that a woman can minimize her chances of being noticed in the first place under certain circumstances, she has no control over what a potential rapist may or may not target about her.

What a woman can control, however; is her behavior, and the likelihood that a potential attacker will have any opportunity to move upon her in the first place.
 
1.)I don't think Gathomas is 100% wrong. I think he is trying to describe how the RAPIST might look at woman, and I don't think that HE is trying to put blame on the women, but just to say that the rapist MAY look at you in this way if you are dressed provocatively, and I think he may be right in very few instances, but I really think that you could take all the precautions in the world, and if you are targeted for rape it is not because of anything you did. (the "in general" you of course - lol).

which is meaningless who cares what a rapist thinks if a rapist wants to rape he rapes period

and what do you mean the in general me, are you implying nobody wants to rape me :( that hurts my feelings lol ;)
 
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I can guarantee you, that if women stopped entering these kinds of environments, or, at the very least, stopped indulging in the behaviors I mentioned in my previous post, the rape rate on college campuses would plummet overnight. Unscrupulous men simply wouldn't have the opportunity to attack anyone.
Sounds like a boys will be boys mentality. This only provides deviants an excuse to abuse innocent women.

While I absolutely agree that offenders should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law where their guilt can actually be proven, that is not going to make the problem in question go away in and of itself. Like murder, rape is as old as humanity itself, and so are the kinds of men that commit it
You keep not responding to data that confirms clothing has nothing do with the selection of the victim.

The only defense against their type a woman really has is vigilance
well that's a damn shame because it is not the only defense. I'll just continue to have a little more faith in your gender then that.
 
Why would you want to make that perceived "invitation" any more blatant then, or provide the man in question with the actual opportunity to possibly attack you through reckless behavior?

You are not hearing me. You may read it as an invitation but that is just your twisted perception. Convicted rapists, when interviewed about why they rape or how they chose their victims, consistently state that dress is not a factor. That innocent behavior is misinterpreted as an invitation.
 
Gathomas, if this were the case then rape would be RARE in the Middle East countries where women DO dress conservatively and do have to have a male chaperon with them, but rape is NOT rare in those countries. That is because it really doesn't have anything to do with how a woman dresses, or even presents herself in a lot of cases but that the rapist is mentally deficient.

Rapes (per capita) (most recent) by country

Middle Eastern nations actually do have fairly low rape rates.

Why on Earth wouldn't they? Rapists simply don't have the same kind of opportunity to target women that they have in more "liberal" societies.
 
1.)Sounds like a boys will be boys mentality.

agreed thats what it sounds like to me too, partially excusing sicko behavior and partially blaming the victium
 
I don't mean her "past" sexual behaviors, but her behavior on the day in question, with the person in question.

Even her sexual behavior in the moment is irrelevant. If she is flirtatious that doesn't mean she has given permission. If she invites him back to her home and changes her mind, that is also irrelevant in terms of how a case is tried. It may be difficult to determine but it should boil down to only thing. Did she consent? Did she at any time say stop and he did not stop? If he forced himself on her nothing justified that.
 
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You're dodging the question J.

What do you propose be done?

So far, it looks like exactly nothing.

wow how many posts do you make that contain lies, i factually dodged nothing.

need proof?

here lets look at my post (you know the one you edited because it shows your post is wrong lol)

also tell me what the factual "problem" is

cant answer your question without know what you think the factual problem is, your mistake

once again facts win and prove your post wrong

now would you like to post something honest and tell me what the factual problem is you are talking about so i can answer if possible?
 
Sounds like a boys will be boys mentality. This only provides deviants an excuse to abuse innocent women.

"Deviants" are going to abuse women regardless of what anyone happens to think of it. That's why they are deviants.


You keep not responding to data that confirms clothing has nothing do with the selection of the victim.

There is no hard data one way or the other. All we know is that no conclusive link can be proven in most cases of rape.

Why risk it?

well that's a damn shame because it is not the only defense.

You've already shot down not behaving like a drunken sexually charged buffoon in an environment full of drunk and judgment impaired men.

What, exactly, would you have women do to defend themselves here?

I'll just continue to have a little more faith in your gender then that.

"Faith" in my gender is precisely what leads so many young women to get in trouble in the first place.

You are not hearing me. You may read it as an invitation but that is just your twisted perception. Convicted rapists, when interviewed about why they rape or how they chose their victims, consistently state that dress is not a factor. That innocent behavior is misinterpreted as an invitation.

And are most of those interviewed date rapists?
 
Even her sexual behavior in the moment is irrelevant. If she is flirtatious that doesn't mean she has given permission. If she invites him back to her home and changes her mind, that is also irrelevant in terms of how a case is tried. It may be difficult to determine but it should boil down to only thing. Did she consent? Did she at any time say stop and he did not stop? If he forced himself on her nothing justified that.

Sure. Nothing justifies it. That does not mean that the behavior in question was a good idea on the woman's part, however.
 
Rapes (per capita) (most recent) by country

Middle Eastern nations actually do have fairly low rape rates.

Why on Earth wouldn't they? Rapists simply don't have the same kind of opportunity to target women that they have in more "liberal" societies.

Oh come on! Really Gathomas, don't you be intellectually dishonest with me. Rapes are very MUCH underreported in Middle Eastern countries. I'm sure you can figure out why. NOT uncommon though by any means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Rape in Afghanistan is a crime which can be legally prosecuted, but in practice it is very rarely reported, because of the immense risks that women face if they report it. Rape victims in the country face a double risk of being subjected to violence: on one hand they can become victims of honor killings perpetrated by their families, and on the other hand they can be victimized by the laws of the country: they can be charged with adultery, a crime that can be punishable by death. Furthermore, they can be forced by their families to marry their rapist. In 2011, Afghanistan made international news in regard to the story of a woman who was raped by a man, jailed for adultery, gave birth to a child in jail, and was then subsequently pardoned by president Hamid Karzai, and in the end married the man who raped her.[11][12] In 2012, Afghanistan recorded 240 cases of honor killings and 160 cases of rape, but the number for both honor killings and rapes is estimated to be much higher.[13][14] In 2013, in eastern Ghazni, a man attacked a woman and attempted to rape her, and as a result the relatives of the woman killed both the woman and the man in an honor killing.[15] In Afghanistan, crimes such as adultery, rape and trafficking are often conflated with each other,[16] and it is generally not acceptable for a woman and a man to be alone together (unless married or related), and if this happens the response can be very violent: an Afghan medical doctor and his female patient were attacked by an angry mob who threw stones at them after the two were discovered in his private examining room without a chaperon.[17][18] Recently, the security forces have been also alleged to rape children in the country.[19]
 

You're not actually saying anything, J! :lol:

Look. I'll even ask the question again. What can you present to qualify the statement below? What do you propose actually be done?

and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.

I'm waiting...
 
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