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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
    91
It's ludicrous that some men try to hold onto the former "right" to act like total dogs. The world has changed. Bearing some skin in the summer or on a night out is within the law. Raping a woman...isn't.

I can wear whatever I want within the law.

Grow up?:2wave:
 
Still would like to know if you find what the woman above wearing is sexually provocative since she's revealing skin. I mean wouldn't this also turn a lot of men's heads?

CHRIS,

Maybe you can ask Gath our questions since he only seems to be responding to you;)

My apologies. I'm responding to like three different people at the same time here, and responses take time. ;)

Ok Gath, since your focus right now seems to be on date rape and college campuses, please tell me if you think this pic is provocative. The picture below is how most college and high school girls dress to parties. They are not wearing the type of bikini pic you posted, and that pic is not realistic unless the woman was on the boardwalk or the beach. If your gf went out with the girls, would you tell her to change b/c she might attract rapists?

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I didn't say that all or even most women did dress in a particularly dangerous manner. I said that some did, and that they should be aware of the impact such clothing can have on how men perceive them.

It simply draws the attention of the wrong kinds of men, for the wrong kinds of reasons. Some of those men are inevitably going to be creeps who might not handle rejection very well if they get the impression that the girl in question was "leading them on."

As such, if a woman isn't actually looking for sex, dressing like she is tends to be a bad idea.

In all likelihood, it won't be the deciding factor in whether she winds up becoming a victim or not, but that does not make it any less of a "bad idea."

~Most rapists aren't sociopaths, they just got carried away

Clinical "sociopathy" is a very specific term. It cannot simply be tossed around carelessly.

While I don't doubt that pretty much all rapists are going to carry some anti-social tendencies, most non-serial rapists are probably only going to be only borderline cases. There is really no evidence to suggest that most date rapes result from a "pathological" need to rape on the part of the perpetrator, or even that many of these men deliberately target women for rape ahead of time.

According to some figures, the rape rate for women graduating college might very well be 25% or higher.

While I am somewhat skeptical of that claim, if it were true, it would have to imply either that are a lot of male sociopaths out there (10% to 15% of the population at least), or that strict sociopathy probably isn't required to be a rapist in the first place. The latter seems more likely.

~Conservative women(dressed) are the least likely to be raped

I don't know about being "least likely." Environment and behavior ultimately play a larger role. However, dressing with some degree of discretion certainly wouldn't hurt their chances.

~Men will look for the female that's dressed the most promiscous for sex-are you assuming that he won't stop if she says stop/no?
~If a woman dresses provocative she is signaling that she wants sex

Women who dress promiscuously are perceived to be promiscuous. In a lot of cases, they even are.

Frankly, even the ones who are not are still looking for male attention when they dress that way.

You do know that even conservative women have put on some heels and a nice skirt before right? Women don't just dress one way all the time. You may go out and see a lady wearing pants and a shirt one week, run into her a month later and she's wearing a short form fitting dress. Many times women dress how they feel. If it's a Sat night and a woman who normally dresses more conservative, decides to dress a tad more revealing, it shouldn't be a cue that she's on the prowl. Even if a woman is single and dresses sexy to get the attention of a man, it doesn't mean she wants to have sex that night!

A lot of men aren't going to make the distinction between "looking for attention," and "looking for sex."

The kind of man who might take offense to a woman who says "no," or who might take advantage of a girl who has passed out, certainly won't. They are also going to overwhelmingly gravitate towards women they perceive as being more likely to "put out" in the first place.

It should also be noted that I'm not talking about any kind of suggestive clothing here anyway. It is perfectly possible to appear attractive without appearing "easy."
 
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It can be discounted.
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ChrisL said:
The only kind of rape I could see where clothing would play any factor whatsoever is date rape.

If it can play a factor, then it cannot be discounted.
If it can be discounted, it cannot play a factor.

This can only be resolved by you ChrisL, Gathomas88 cannot but point out the contradiction above.

The very first page he claimed it generally was not a factor, and that in NO case is would it justify rape.
 
Basically Gathomas, I could easily say that a woman who accepts a date from any man is technically putting herself at risk. On that note, perhaps people should have chaperons or something. Really that makes as much sense as the things you are suggesting.

It would, which is exactly why people have done things that way for most of human history. As I said before, date rape has only really become a major problem since our society began encouraging more generally "loose" sexual behavior in the post 1960s era anyway.

Does this mean that we have to go back to doing things the way they were before? No.

It simply means that women are going to have to put in the extra effort necessary to keep themselves safe in the new and significantly more dangerous sexual environment the modern world has created.

Rape is never the victim's fault or responsibility because, more so than ANYTHING she does, it is the rapist's mentality and just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the existence of men who have the mentality that allows them to rape women that is the biggest contributing factor.

I never denied that.

However, this doesn't change the fact that there are certain things women can do to avoid making themselves obvious targets.
 
It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.
 
It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.
Agree here. There are miscommunications where the accused did not have the intention of forcing sex and the victim did feel violated. The only situations I accounted for(honestly hadn't considered this type for the purposes of this particular aspect of rape cases) where those of intent, where the rapist knew consent wasn't present and proceeded anyway.
 
CHRIS,

Maybe you can ask Gath our questions since he only seems to be responding to you;)
I've noticed that Gath & Chris should get a room at the nearest motel.

Both in their 20's, she's an ENFP and he's an INTJ.

It's a match made in heaven.
 
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If it can play a factor, then it cannot be discounted.
If it can be discounted, it cannot play a factor.

This can only be resolved by you ChrisL, Gathomas88 cannot but point out the contradiction above.

The very first page he claimed it generally was not a factor, and that in NO case is would it justify rape.

I don't think it really does play a factor. I was only humoring him, and maybe acknowledging that on a rare occasion it might play a small (VERY small) role. Wearing provocative clothing is most certainly NOT a contributing factor in rapes. Rape counselors have stated as much in my links. I would think they would be "experts" in their field.
 
I've noticed that Gath & Chris should get a room at the nearest motel.

Both in their 20's, she's an ENFP and he's an INTJ.

It's a match made in heaven.

Well thanks, but I'm in my 30s. :mrgreen:
 
It would, which is exactly why people have done things that way for most of human history. As I said before, date rape has only really become a major problem since our society began encouraging more generally "loose" sexual behavior in the post 1960s era anyway.

Again, you're talking about behavior as opposed to what a person is wearing. Most women do wear provocative clothing at the club and it really doesn't play a role in who gets raped.

Does this mean that we have to go back to doing things the way they were before? No.

:roll: Why do I not believe that you really believe this?

It simply means that women are going to have to put in the extra effort necessary to keep themselves safe in the new and significantly more dangerous sexual environment the modern world has created.

No, men need to take extra efforts to extinguish the sort of misogynistic thinking that leads them to "expect" something on a date, or to assume things about women because of how they are dressed, if what you say is the case. That is disgusting to say that women have to change anything when they are NOT the problem.

I never denied that.

However, this doesn't change the fact that there are certain things women can do to avoid making themselves obvious targets.

Again, you say one thing and then contradict yourself. You obviously put some level of responsibility on the woman (who is hurting no one) instead of putting ALL the blame on the rapist. It is so annoying, it makes me want to slap you. :mrgreen:
 
Agree here. There are miscommunications where the accused did not have the intention of forcing sex and the victim did feel violated. The only situations I accounted for(honestly hadn't considered this type for the purposes of this particular aspect of rape cases) where those of intent, where the rapist knew consent wasn't present and proceeded anyway.

There are also many instances of molestation of younger teens. A friend of mine and his sister were partially molested by a family friend, who was a teenager himself. It wasn't full on rape or penetration and sometimes, it's even from a family member. These are usually impulsive acts, and not premeditated or meant to cause harm. This and women having men go too far in office, clubs, bars and dates are often mistaken as serious abuse, when they're actually minor sexual assaults.

In most of those cases, how someone dresses and they're appearance is more a factor than in violent forms of sexual assault.
 
It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.

Agree here. There are miscommunications where the accused did not have the intention of forcing sex and the victim did feel violated. The only situations I accounted for(honestly hadn't considered this type for the purposes of this particular aspect of rape cases) where those of intent, where the rapist knew consent wasn't present and proceeded anyway.

Exactly. It's not a factor in most rapes, but it can be, and sometimes is, a contributing factor in some rapes. The kinds of rapes where this is most common are date rapes; though, even then, it is probably not the major factor involved so much as generally unsafe behavior.

Some posters in this thread are trying to deny even that. I'm sorry, but I'm simply not buying that argument.

Look at it this way. I'm a straight man. Going into a gay club by myself is pretty much always risky.

However, if I go in wearing a skin tight pair of neon pink bicycle shorts and tight T-shirt tied off above my waist, I'm only making it worse, as I am now deliberately attracting the attention of everyone in the room in an overtly sexual manner. If you're not actually planning on having sex with anyone, it is simply a bad idea to go out of one's way to give off the impression that you might be.

This won't get me assaulted in and of itself, in all likelihood, but it could contribute to a misunderstanding that might increase the likelihood on an assault occurring.
 
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Exactly. It's not a factor in most rapes, but it can be, and sometimes is, a contributing factor in some rapes. The kinds of rapes where this is most common are date rapes; though, even then, it is probably not the major factor involved so much as generally unsafe behavior.

Some posters in this thread are trying to deny even that. I'm sorry, but I'm simply not buying that argument.

Look at it this way. I'm a straight man. Going into a gay club by myself is pretty much always risky.

However, if I go in wearing a skin tight pair of neon pink bicycle shorts and tight T-shirt tied off above my waist, I'm only making it worse, because I am now deliberately attracting the attention of everyone in the room in a sexual fashion. If I'm not actually planning on having sex with anyone, it is simply a bad idea to go out of one's way to give off that impression.

Oh yeah, it happens, horny guy going too far because of "hot chick" dressed to reveal, yes way! Rare, probably but no doubt many a privileged celebrity or college jerk has done it.

You go to prison dressed that way and I promise you'll get raped....lol
 
It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.


Bingo!! We can go home now.

Gath, thanks for answering but I want to know if you thought the girl in the pic was dressed provocative and would you tell your GF to change clothes? Also could you find a pic of a woman who is dressed provocatively? A pic that would be more realistic and not on the beach. Just trying to decipher what clothing is more ''dangerous''(in your mind) for a woman. Thanks
 
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I don't think it really does play a factor. I was only humoring him, and maybe acknowledging that on a rare occasion it might play a small (VERY small) role. Wearing provocative clothing is most certainly NOT a contributing factor in rapes. Rape counselors have stated as much in my links. I would think they would be "experts" in their field.

I don't see where he disagrees that it's generally not a significant factor though.
And to be fair, the Yoga pants thread was about the pros and cons of certain attire in a public school setting. Rape was not really what trigged the provocative attire inappropriateness discussion.

We communicate with our appearance, it's absurd to claim otherwise. And no that never excuses rape (for the how many'th time!)
 
Bingo!! We can go home now.

Gath, thanks for answering but I want to know if you thought the girl in the pic was dressed provocative and would you tell your GF to change clothes?

I didn't have any problem with what she was wearing. For a warm summer day out in public, it'd be absolutely fine.

For walking through a dark alleyway at night, I'd probably opt for something a bit more concealing just to be on the safe side. However, in that case, I'd probably simply go with her anyway. :shrug:

Also could you find a pic of a woman who is dressed provocatively? A pic that would be more realistic and not on the beach. Just trying to decipher what clothing is more ''dangerous'' for a woman. Thanks

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Something along these lines is more of what I was talking about. Not only is it revealing, but it is trashy.

It sends off vibes implying that a woman is sexually available, and not particularly hard to get.

I've seen (admittedly, much more attractive) young women wearing stuff worse than that in downtown Chas on several occasions. It's not terribly uncommon to even run across women in tight "booty shorts," midriff baring tank tops, and stripper heels pounding the strip looking for a good time.

Even if those women aren't looking to have sex per se, they are looking to get attention. If they're not careful to take the right precautions, they run the risk of getting that attention from someone who might misunderstand their intentions.

This could be a contributing factor in that person either not taking "no" for an answer or trying to take advantage.

Again, you're talking about behavior as opposed to what a person is wearing. Most women do wear provocative clothing at the club and it really doesn't play a role in who gets raped.

Yes, but there's provocative and then there's provocative. The latter tends to get more attention from the "wrong" kinds of guys.

I also didn't deny that behavior plays the major role in this.

Here is my view in a nutshell.


Exactly. It's not a factor in most rapes, but it can be, and sometimes is, a contributing factor in some rapes. The kinds of rapes where this is most common are date rapes; though, even then, it is probably not the major factor involved so much as generally unsafe behavior.

Some posters in this thread are trying to deny even that. I'm sorry, but I'm simply not buying that argument.

Look at it this way. I'm a straight man. Going into a gay club by myself is pretty much always risky.

However, if I go in wearing a skin tight pair of neon pink bicycle shorts and tight T-shirt tied off above my waist, I'm only making it worse, as I am now deliberately attracting the attention of everyone in the room in an overtly sexual manner. If you're not actually planning on having sex with anyone, it is simply a bad idea to go out of one's way to give off the impression that you might be.

This won't get me assaulted in and of itself, in all likelihood, but it could contribute to a misunderstanding that might increase the likelihood on an assault occurring.

See?

Why do I not believe that you really believe this?

I think less "screwing around" in general would be a good thing. I have made no secret of that.

However, I'm hardly suggesting that we all live like the Amish instead. :lol:

No, men need to take extra efforts to extinguish the sort of misogynistic thinking that leads them to "expect" something on a date, or to assume things about women because of how they are dressed, if what you say is the case. That is disgusting to say that women have to change anything when they are NOT the problem.

If wishes were dollar bills, Chris, we'd all be billionaires. :shrug:

We already prosecute these rapists and make an active point of preaching against their behavior. Rape is still common; depressingly so where the issue we are currently discussing is concerned.

Whether you like it or not, there are certain things a woman is going to have to avoid if she wants to be safe. That's simple reality, and it isn't going to change any time soon. There really isn't anything else to it.

Again, you say one thing and then contradict yourself. You obviously put some level of responsibility on the woman (who is hurting no one) instead of putting ALL the blame on the rapist.

She is potentially hurting herself if she doesn't take care to defend her own best interests.

Again, this is simple reality. Concepts like "blame" don't even enter into the equation.

It is so annoying, it makes me want to slap you.

Should I "turn the other cheek?" :mrgreen:
 
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It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.

But here's the thing I see as the problem with this. It assumes that the guy wouldn't have taken that half-drunk or playful girl home had she not been wearing what she was wearing. Clothes themselves are not going to cause a person to get the wrong signals completely. Did the girl not say no at all during the buildup? Did he force himself on her quickly or take it in steps without her saying no? If she were passed out, would he have raped her still had she been wearing a pair of jeans or a more covering blouse? I would say how forceful she is in declining him or her ability/inability to decline him to begin with would be the real factor, not the clothes.
 
But here's the thing I see as the problem with this. It assumes that the guy wouldn't have taken that half-drunk or playful girl home had she not been wearing what she was wearing. Clothes themselves are not going to cause a person to get the wrong signals completely. Did the girl not say no at all during the buildup? Did he force himself on her quickly or take it in steps without her saying no? If she were passed out, would he have raped her still had she been wearing a pair of jeans or a more covering blouse? I would say how forceful she is in declining him or her ability/inability to decline him to begin with would be the real factor, not the clothes.

Nah, you're not looking at this from a guy point of view, which is difficult, unless you're a guy. A girl who's got everything pushed up and out, looking like sex on a stick is definitely going to be more irresistible than Miss Librarian date. If a sexpot is sticking her tongue in your ear, saying nasty things with a little nipple popping out, then suddenly says "NO!", then the clothes played a part in how hard the date rape was to resist.

Again it's not common, but squeezing, teasing with no intention of pleasing and barely wearing a squirrel cover is a recipe for disaster. Don't underestimate, even a normal guys control, when the hormones of youth kick in.
 
Bingo!! We can go home now.

Gath, thanks for answering but I want to know if you thought the girl in the pic was dressed provocative and would you tell your GF to change clothes? Also could you find a pic of a woman who is dressed provocatively? A pic that would be more realistic and not on the beach. Just trying to decipher what clothing is more ''dangerous''(in your mind) for a woman. Thanks

Provocatively dressed backpacker.

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You seriously believe that?

If it walks like a slut, and looks like a slut...

You can be erm... very sexual or a "Slut" but I don't see how that has anything to do with rape? are slutty woman more desireable? I always assumed a rapist would rape more so due to opertunity...then looks
 
Oh yeah, it happens, horny guy going too far because of "hot chick" dressed to reveal, yes way! Rare, probably but no doubt many a privileged celebrity or college jerk has done it.

You go to prison dressed that way and I promise you'll get raped....lol

I don't see where he disagrees that it's generally not a significant factor though.
And to be fair, the Yoga pants thread was about the pros and cons of certain attire in a public school setting. Rape was not really what trigged the provocative attire inappropriateness discussion.

We communicate with our appearance, it's absurd to claim otherwise. And no that never excuses rape (for the how many'th time!)

I didn't have any problem with what she was wearing. For a warm summer day out in public, it'd be absolutely fine.

For walking through a dark alleyway at night, I'd probably opt for something a bit more concealing just to be on the safe side. However, in that case, I'd probably simply go with her anyway. :shrug:



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Something along these lines is more of what I was talking about. Not only is it revealing, but it is trashy.

It sends off vibes implying that a woman is sexually available, and not particularly hard to get.

I've seen (admittedly, much more attractive) young women wearing stuff worse than that in downtown Chas on several occasions. It's not terribly uncommon to even run across women in tight "booty shorts," midriff baring tank tops, and stripper heels pounding the strip looking for a good time.

Even if those women aren't looking to have sex per se, they are looking to get attention. If they're not careful to take the right precautions, they run the risk of getting that attention from someone who might misunderstand their intentions.

This could be a contributing factor in that person either not taking "no" for an answer or trying to take advantage.



Yes, but there's provocative and then there's provocative. The latter tends to get more attention from the "wrong" kinds of guys.

I also didn't deny that behavior plays the major role in this.

Here is my view in a nutshell.




See?



I think less "screwing around" in general would be a good thing. I have made no secret of that.

However, I'm hardly suggesting that we all live like the Amish instead. :lol:



If wishes were dollar bills, Chris, we'd all be billionaires. :shrug:

We already prosecute these rapists and make an active point of preaching against their behavior. Rape is still common; depressingly so where the issue we are currently discussing is concerned.

Whether you like it or not, there are certain things a woman is going to have to avoid if she wants to be safe. That's simple reality, and it isn't going to change any time soon. There really isn't anything else to it.



She is potentially hurting herself if she doesn't take care to defend her own best interests.

Again, this is simple reality. Concepts like "blame" don't even enter into the equation.



Should I "turn the other cheek?" :mrgreen:

This is all such bull crap! The only way a person's clothing would be considered "consenting" to sex is if she wasn't wearing any!

Clothing doesn't speak, and if any man is making assumptions about a woman based upon how she is dressed, then he is moron and mentally disturbed too.
 
You seriously believe that?

If it walks like a slut, and looks like a slut...

I'm sure plenty of people would consider you a slut without even knowing what you look like, because THAT doesn't matter. There are fat sluts and ugly sluts, so WHAT does a "slut" look like?
 
You can be erm... very sexual or a "Slut" but I don't see how that has anything to do with rape? are slutty woman more desireable? I always assumed a rapist would rape more so due to opertunity...then looks

Men who rape, I would imagine, find sluts more desirable. They justify in their minds that "she's asking for it".

I'm betting that the difference between the average man and a rapist is impulse control.
 
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