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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%

  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%

  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Total voters
    91
Rape is 100% wrong in 100% of all cases.

End of story
 
It doesn't even make SENSE. We can't make judgments based on the past sexual behavior of the woman, but it's A-OK to make judgments based upon her clothing? Ridiculous! :roll:
 
ChrisL said:
How she acts? Fine. How she was dressed? Bad way to determine "consent."
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Whatever happened to the notion of: We were getting along and having a good time?

You know - I've often wondered if all these 'signals' these women send are just being 'nice' or even responding to what might seem to be a 'polite, nice guy' - but his intentions were full of smarmy desires and foul intent.

Maybe the 'she shows interest!' is just a bull**** LIE (gee - how surprising - a criminal lying to support his crime) which apparently has a lot of people on the hook of belief.
 
TurtleDude said:
It is a necessary part of this conversation. how a woman acts before a "date rape" is an important issue in determining who told the truth as to whether consent or buyer's remorse is in play
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A woman providing consent is a very direct thing and suggesting that the way she is dressed is some kind of non-verbal consent it just ridiculous. A woman should be able to act in whatever way she wants without fearing she has unintentionally given someone the green light to penetrate her.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Because some men behave like morons, women should too? That doesn't strike me as being as especially compelling argument. :shrug:

Ideally, no one would indulge in this kind of behavior.

Frankly, men pay the price for bad behavior in a lot of ways too. It simply happens to be the case that we're a bit less vulnerable than women are.
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What if the woman is literally a moron? Then what?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Because some men behave like morons, women should too? That doesn't strike me as being as especially compelling argument. :shrug:

Ideally, no one would indulge in this kind of behavior.

Frankly, men pay the price for bad behavior in a lot of ways too. It simply happens to be the case that we're a bit less vulnerable than women are.
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No, but we always strive for equality and don't settle for inequality because of the inability of any relevant party to behave like an adult that is in control of their actions.

Women are as vulnerable as a man perceives them to be. Raise the bar for gods sake.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Whatever happened to the notion of: We were getting along and having a good time?

You know - I've often wondered if all these 'signals' these women send are just being 'nice' or even responding to what might seem to be a 'polite, nice guy' - but his intentions were full of smarmy desires and foul intent.

Maybe the 'she shows interest!' is just a bull**** LIE (gee - how surprising - a criminal lying to support his crime) which apparently has a lot of people on the hook of belief.
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Well I certainly wouldn't go by "his" word. That's for sure. Of course he would lie.
 
beefheart said:
Rape is 100% wrong in 100% of all cases.

End of story
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true

but the issue is

was there rape

that is the question

just because a woman cries rape doesn't establish guilt
 
BTW anonymous polls SUCK
 
TurtleDude said:
that's a good point but the focus in this thread has been on a woman's dress and rape and one poster was correct in noting "rape" can mean several different things

1) forcing someone with threats of violence to engage in unwanted sex
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This is *in the act* - what about *before that act* . . . before he gets *to that point* - what should women be on the lookout for? Nice guy who gave compliments or was helpful when you needed your tire changed?

2) drugging someone so they no longer are able to resist sex or to say no
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Well - clearly the victim wouldn't *know* that he was going to drug her to rape her - or had done so in the past . . . so that's not going to help. What are hte signs that go along with people who *do that *****?


3) and to some people-rape involves convincing a woman to have sex even if she initially didn't want to

its the third category where the dress of the victim may be relevant
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I don't see how. What - if I wear something that someone finds appealing I'm more likely to give in to pressure? I don't follow, here? Or - he's more likely to get turned on?

LIke - before a date two people have to exchange a checklist of 'appropriate clothes to wear' to 'minimize the risk of you sexually assaulting me'

Do the guys need to state that "I am partial to the color blue and bare necks" - because spare me if that's the idea, here.
 
opendebate said:
No, but we always strive for equality and don't settle for inequality because of the inability of any relevant party to behave like an adult that is in control of their actions.

Women are as vulnerable as a man perceives them to be. Raise the bar for gods sake.
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"Equality" isn't always a good thing. :lol:

If you intend on waiting for the "better nature" of humanity to prevail, you are going to be waiting for a very, very long time, I'm afraid. Bad people do not cease to be bad simply because you dislike their way of doing things.

For that matter, women are always going to be vulnerable in relation to men simply because of the size and strength differences involved.
 
Gathomas88 said:
"Equality" isn't always a good thing. :lol:

If you intend on waiting on the "better nature" of humanity to prevail, you are going to be waiting for a very, very long time, I'm afraid.

Bad people do not cease to be bad simply because you dislike their way of doing things.
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You only get closer by maintaining it as an expectation though.

Explain the "Equality" isn't always a good thing. comment please
 
TurtleDude said:
true

but the issue is

was there rape

that is the question

just because a woman cries rape doesn't establish guilt
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No, there is no question.

RAPE IS ALWAYS WRONG IN EVERY CASE.

NO OTHER ANSWER.
 
TurtleDude said:
true

but the issue is

was there rape

that is the question

just because a woman cries rape doesn't establish guilt
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We have various measures in place to minimize falsehoods - it's hard to prove one way or another. . . but I'm never going ot knee jerk with the belief that 'she's lying!'
 
beefheart said:
No, there is no question.

RAPE IS ALWAYS WRONG IN EVERY CASE.

NO OTHER ANSWER.
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Yeah that is the obvious PC answer

but some stuff that is called rape is NOT

so your silly little mantra has no real use here

of course real rape is wrong

but are you saying ANYITME a woman claims rape, the man is guilty?
 
opendebate said:
You only get closer by maintaining it as an expectation though.
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Encouraging women to behave stupidly because "men should know well enough to behave themselves" isn't helping anyone or anything.

It simply makes them more likely to become victims.

Explain the "Equality" isn't always a good thing. comment please
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To start off with, I know that I sure as Hell wouldn't want an "equal share" in something like childbirth. :lol:

I'm pretty sure that most women (if they're being honest with themselves, anyway) wouldn't want an "equal" share in the horrible toll warfare has taken upon male populations over the centuries either.

Women really shouldn't be looking for an "equal share" in self-destructive fratboy style stupidity that most men don't even condone.
 
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:shock: Yeahhhhh, I think i'm gonna stay out of this one...
 
Aunt Spiker said:
We have various measures in place to minimize falsehoods - it's hard to prove one way or another. . . but I'm never going ot knee jerk with the belief that 'she's lying!'
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sometimes women lie

example

Patty Bowman's accusations of WK Smith-clear case of crying rape when none took place

The DUKE LaCrosse scandal

and my favorite

UC Basketball star Louis Banks was accused of raping a UC Student

facts

on FRIDAY night she claims he raped her

A DAY LATER on Saturday she admitted they had CONSENSUAL SEX

took the jury about 20 minutes to acquit

most of us who were aware of the case were amazed it even got past the Grand Jury
 
Gathomas88 said:
:shrug:

It's not too far from the truth.

"There's a beast in every man..."

Most of us can keep things more or less together, but there are many who cannot. Those men are not going to be going anywhere any time soon.

Women need to be wary of them for exactly that reason.

Frankly, I don't really understand why it is so offensive to suggest that women not behave like irresponsible flakes anyway.
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Irresponsible flakes? Do you think that most rapes are b/c of the woman being irresponsible, b/c that sentence makes it appear that way. I think if you had to listen to real stories of women who were raped you would walk away with a different view!
 
TurtleDude said:
sometimes women lie

example

Patty Bowman's accusations of WK Smith-clear case of crying rape when none took place

The DUKE LaCrosse scandal

and my favorite

UC Basketball star Louis Banks was accused of raping a UC Student

facts

on FRIDAY night she claims he raped her

A DAY LATER on Saturday she admitted they had CONSENSUAL SEX

took the jury about 20 minutes to acquit

most of us who were aware of the case were amazed it even got past the Grand Jury
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Yes, I know - sometimes women lie . . .and sometimes men lie. Sometimes people lie.

You know - people suck.

The best thing we can do is avoid other people at all costs and disbelieve anything anyone ever says.
 
molten_dragon said:
This quote is always trotted out whenever a discussion of rape takes place, and I always find it ridiculous. There are many ways to demonstrate power and control over someone, rape is only one of them. So to say that rape is not about sex at all is just silly. It may also be about power and control, but it's at least partly about sex.
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No it's not, because rapists also demonstrate other boundary violations well in advance of actual sexual assaults. There are always warning signs. In the case of partnerships, possessiveness is a key feature, and incursions are made gradually until one day a major one is made. Rape is just one manifestation of power entitlement to someone else.

To actually force yourself on someone against their will requires a different kind of mentality beyond mere attraction. In the case of raping strangers, it often involves grooming behavior and stalking. Victims are chosen based on perceived weakness, not what they wear. This is not theory, it's fact. There are many "unattractive" women who get raped every year.

The whole clothing debate is just BS victim blaming, as usual. I agree that women have to protect themselves, but only because we still live in a climate where they are blamed if someone comes at them.
 
Gathomas88 said:
:shrug:

It's not too far from the truth.

"There's a beast in every man..."

Most of us can keep things more or less together, but there are many who cannot. Those men are not going to be going anywhere any time soon.

Women need to be wary of them for exactly that reason.

Frankly, I don't really understand why it is so offensive to suggest that women not behave like irresponsible flakes anyway.
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You're not going to like this very much when i say that that this particular conversation reminds me of my time in the ME. A lot of the males i came into contact with were pretty outspoken about why women should remain veiled. They also thought women should be invisible to men, for their own safety and to protect men from lustful thoughts.

That's a backward way of thinking Gath.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Or you could clarify how your rambling points actually relate to her post - because they still don't match up. You're all in a tizzy, apparently over nothing. If you want to have a one-sided spazz attack rather than take a moment to clarify then by all means . . . go ahead.
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Cool. Well, nice talking to ya.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yes, I know - sometimes women lie . . .and sometimes men lie. Sometimes people lie.

You know - people suck.

The best thing we can do is avoid other people at all costs and disbelieve anything anyone ever says.
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or water board both parties?
 
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