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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%

  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%

  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Total voters
    91
This discussion is all over the map. Rape isn't about clothing. It's mainly about violence and power. There is obviously a sexual element to it but for the most part it is about demonstrating power over the victim through violence. If you think a sexual assault is about sex you're wrong. The sexual arousal comes from the motive behind the rape, they are feeding a desire much more malignant than just a need for immediate sexual gratification.

I've interviewed many sexual assault suspects over the years. It's never about "I was horny and she was there and she wearing that little skirt."
 
Gathomas88 said:
Go back to the mugging scenario I mentioned earlier. Can any mugging victim be said to have "provoked" their attacker?

Does this change the fact that avoiding certain behaviors and certain attention grabbing styles of dress in areas where the risk of mugging is high tends to be a good idea?
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Because you are shifting responsibility to the victim. It implies a passive acceptance or "boys will be boys" attitude that enables such behavior on the part of men.
 
ChrisL said:
Christ almighty!! If what you said was true, only women dressed scantily would be getting raped, and ONLY attractive ones. THAT is certainly far from being the case. Ugly women, fat women, dirty women, homeless women, drug-addled women have also been victims of rape. It has really nothing to do with her appearance whatsoever in MOST cases. Most of the time it is a crime of opportunity.
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And...there it is.

Thread ended by reality.
 
opendebate said:
Because you are shifting responsibility to the victim. It implies a passive acceptance or "boys will be boys" attitude that enables such behavior on the part of men.
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There's a difference between blaming the victim and acknowledging the real fact that actions and choices have potential consequences.
 
A rapist doesn't rape because someone is dressed provocatively. Rape is rarely ever spontaneous. A rape is almost always premeditated on some level. In most cases the rapist knows his/her victim.
 
rocket88 said:
if she says no you don't get a pass.
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That's a terrible argument. If a guy is raping somebody, he isn't interested in following the rules. Is it easier to rape a girl wearing a skirt or wearing blue jeans? This is the logic of a criminal.

The criminal doesn't base his decisions based upon what is allowed or what is not allowed. He doesn't care about getting "a pass". He already gave himself a pass. He doesn't need a pass from you or me.
 
opendebate said:
Because you are shifting responsibility to the victim. It implies a passive acceptance or "boys will be boys" attitude that enables such behavior on the part of men.
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I fail to see how suggesting that women take the precautions necessary to look for themselves in strange company let's men "off the hook" here at all.

If you were to see a strange animal wandering aimlessly around your neighborhood, would you not take care to make yourself less vulnerable to a potential attack?

Sure, if it does try anything, it will almost certainly be put down. However, that's going to be small consolation for anyone unlucky enough to be mauled by the creature in the first place.

As far as women are concerned, strange men should always be viewed as exactly such animals until proven otherwise. Sure, we can be friendly, but we can also be dangerous, and often times unpredictable as well. This problem only gets worse in a sexually charged environment where perception altering substances are in wide availability.
 
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Cephus said:
There's a difference between blaming the victim and acknowledging the real fact that actions and choices have potential consequences.
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I understand that point but we have to be cognizant of the impact the way we conduct this conversation has on the outcomes. The conversation about keeping yourself safe in general can be conducted but not with a distinction as to how to keep yourself safe from rape. It is impossible to avoid the implication that the women is somehow to blame if you do that.
 
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Cephus said:
There's a difference between blaming the victim and acknowledging the real fact that actions and choices have potential consequences.
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The only problem I have with this is that when it's applied to this conversation it begins to be interpreted as meaning that there are some cases where the victim was complicit in their own rape. This is simply not the case with rape. There is never a mitigating circumstance in an actual rape, never.

That being said I understand exactly what you are getting at. Kind of like "don't walk into a crowd of Hoover Crips and yell the N-word because you're probably gonna get killed." Regardless there is no justification for the violence in either case.

Edit: Let me be clear Cephus...I'm not saying you are making a case that a victim is complicit. I think they are two different sub-discussions I guess. Be smart and protect yourself. At the end of the day discussing why rape happens is one thing, preventing yourself from being raped is another.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
I fail to see how suggesting that women take the precautions necessary to look for themselves in strange company let's men "off the hook" at all here.

If you were to see a strange animal wandering aimlessly around your neighborhood, would you not take care to make yourself less vulnerable to a potential attack?

Sure, if it does try anything, it will almost certainly be put down. However, that's going to be small consolation for anyone unlucky enough to be mauled by the creature in the meantime.

As far as women are concerned, strange men should always be viewed as exactly such animals until proven otherwise. Sure, we can be friendly, but we can also be dangerous, and often times unpredictable as well. This problem only gets worse in a sexually charged environment where perception altering substances are in wide availability.
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see post 135
 
herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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You probably won't die if you refuse to wear a seat belt but it's a good idea to take extra precaution. It's the same thing. If various body parts are easily accessible, you take an added risk. This isn't really a matter of discussion or public policy. The individual woman just gets to decide if she wants to take on the additional risk or not. It's really her decision.

One time I had $400 stolen out of my car. One of my co-workers tried to tell me that I shouldn't have left the money out where it could be seen. I was offended that he was making me out to be the criminal when I was in fact the victim. On the other hand. He was right. I was taking an unnecessary risk by carrying cash while on vacation. It wasn't about giving the criminal a free pass since I was a dummie for leaving money in my car. It was about minimizing my risk.

Just because a woman takes on additional risk and ends up getting raped this doesn't mean the criminal is any less wrong for the crimes he commits. It doesn't make the woman a criminal either. It just means she's a high roller and doesn't mind taking a gamble.
 
opendebate said:
I understand that point but we have to be cognizant of the impact the way we conduct this conversation has on the outcomes. The issue of keeping yourself safe in general can be conducted but not with a distinction as to how to keep yourself safe from rape. It is impossible to avoid the implication that the women is somehow to blame if you do that.
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No, that's simply an imaginary implication that you're insisting exists, but doesn't really. The only one to blame for rape is the rapist. If there is a rapist and they are out there to rape someone, isn't it the best option for yourself to make yourself the least likely target of that rape? If someone is going to get a bullet in the head, it makes sense, from a personal standpoint, to do whatever you can to avoid that head being yours.
 
Cephus said:
No, that's simply an imaginary implication that you're insisting exists, but doesn't really. The only one to blame for rape is the rapist. If there is a rapist and they are out there to rape someone, isn't it the best option for yourself to make yourself the least likely target of that rape? If someone is going to get a bullet in the head, it makes sense, from a personal standpoint, to do whatever you can to avoid that head being yours.
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You completely missed my point.
 
Lerxst said:
The only problem I have with this is that when it's applied to this conversation it begins to be interpreted as meaning that there are some cases where the victim was complicit in their own rape.
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That was a bad interpretation. Rape is rape. Nobody would advocate making a rape victim an accessory to the crime of her own rape. That's ludicrous. It's a huge stretch to misinterpret the discussion that far off base.
 
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...


Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.


This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.


Good guess?
 
vasuderatorrent said:
That was a bad interpretation. Rape is rape. Nobody would advocate making a rape victim an accessory to the crime of her own rape. That's ludicrous. It's a huge stretch to misinterpret the discussion that far off base.
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It's not a bad interpretation at all. Because miscommunication happens all the time. On here, in the "outside" world. They are two discussions that have to be clearly defined because people misinterpret the meaning of the message quite frequently. I'm not limiting my commentary to the confines of this singular thread. You seem to be.
 
Goshin said:
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...


Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.


This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.


Good guess?
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I don't think it's gotten that bad yet.
 
Goshin said:
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...


Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.


This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.


Good guess?
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:good_job:
I think you nailed it. You don't even have to read the other post. You can spend your extra time reading other threads about Obamacare or the potential 2016 candidates for president.
 
herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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I don't think it makes any difference what someone's wearing...for the most part. I think there are exceptions. I also think women are inviting dangerous attention when they are wearing ****-me clothes.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
That's a terrible argument. If a guy is raping somebody, he isn't interested in following the rules. Is it easier to rape a girl wearing a skirt or wearing blue jeans? This is the logic of a criminal.

The criminal doesn't base his decisions based upon what is allowed or what is not allowed. He doesn't care about getting "a pass". He already gave himself a pass. He doesn't need a pass from you or me.
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I get what you're saying but the very thing you are saying was said about yoga pants. Yoga pants aren't exactly easy access but I guess since the accentuate body parts, they can also be a rape magnet. A rapist really has no problem removing pants and he most likely probably gets off on stripping and humiliating his victim anyway. So skirts and dresses shouldn't be worn b/c it's easy access? Just asking.
 
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Gipper said:
It's not about clothing. If she was dressing provocatively, it means that she was asking for it. No rape.
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I hope you're just trolling with this comment because, if you really believe this, you...well...suck as a person.
 
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