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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%

  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%

  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Total voters
    91
Gathomas88 said:
Because there is an irrational political agenda at play here which is counter-productive to the goal of keeping women safe.

With regards to absolutely no other crime would vulnerable people be told that the amount of attention they draw to themselves in dangerous environments plays literally "no role" in their likelihood of being victimized.
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I think it seems like YOU are the one with an agenda here. Dressing in a certain way does NOT make one vulnerable. Putting oneself in a vulnerable situation may though.

Why don't you just admit that YOU don't like seeing women dressed in what you consider to be "slutty" clothes, you don't like them and you don't respect them. I think that's what the real issue is here.
 
Gathomas88 said:
What you just quoted only goes to backup my point. Many rapists do take revealing clothing as being a sign that a woman is a "bad girl" who is open to sex (even if she does not know it herself).
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No it doesn't. It says that rapists rarely commit this crime from having misread "cues" and on the rare occasion when cue's are involved the man would have taken anything as a cue so there was nothing the woman could have done differently to protect herself. Any look, any smile any normal movement would have been seen as a cue.

Granted, a lot of them will rape anyway regardless of clothing, but this doesn't change the fact that clothing can sometimes play a role in exacerbating an already bad situation, or making a bad situation more likely to develop in the first place.
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Only if you are dealing with a rapist who would do it no matter what you are wearing.
 
Gathomas88 said:
If a certain behavior or article of clothing can be counted on to attract men in general, it can be counted on to attract a man who simply happens to be a rapist as well.

That's really all there is to it.

If a woman wants to dress that way, it's up to her. She can probably even get away with it under most circumstances; especially so if she's safe.

However, that does not mean that she is not still attracting attention to herself which increases her overall risk of getting into trouble in doing so.
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But we know this isn't the case. There would be evidence of this. There would be an obvious difference in rape victims based on clothing worn. We do not see this though. And we don't see this because the mentality of rapists is not simply "I want to have sex with that woman because I am sexually attracted to her and I don't care if she says no". It is much more than that. There is really no rational reason to believe that the clothing a woman wears will make the difference when it comes to being targeted by a rapist in general, unless a pattern of a specific rapist is known.

Scenario: Women start dressing more "conservatively" to avoid attracting rapists. But then what is considered conservative or not changes by definition because it would be a constant battle of covering up more and more to avoid attracting "the wrong people". But they still want to attract potential consensual mates. So how do they do this without attracting rapists? Where would be the balance between not being attractive to rapists but still being attractive to other men? If every woman was to dress the same, would that confound the rapists enough so they wouldn't have a target?

Any attempt to attract a man opens a woman up to attraction from a potential rapist. But in reality, even not attempting to attract a man can still gain the attention of a potential rapist. It is not right to believe that the most scantily clad woman/women in a bar or on the street are the most likely to get raped. The clothing simply isn't the determining factor there.
 
ChrisL said:
That is silly and hyperbole. Sexual Violence Myths: Provocative Clothing Is A Risk Factor - ConsentEd
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I'm sorry, but it is anything but a "myth."

Um . . . YES. Unless it's self defense of some kind or wartime, then yes it's pretty safe to say that a person is pretty much a sociopath if they kill someone.
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I absolutely positive that this is not the stance taken by the psychiatric field on this issue.

Yes it does. Studies have concluded just that. They suffer from at least some kind of personality disorder.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/754975_3
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I cannot access this study.

Not true. Normal men do NOT rape women.
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Define "normal." the Steubenville boys were model citizens before the incident that got them convicted.

No, the risk factor is having a rapist present and behaving in an irresponsible manner, and sometimes the woman doesn't even HAVE to behave in an irresponsible manner and can still be raped. The only risk factor is that there is a rapist present.
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That doesn't make any sense.

If you go strolling through a bad neighborhood at night in clothing far too affluent for the area, is the only risk factor a mugger being present?

No one uses this kind of logic.

Bull, it's all about your behavior and the behavior of the rapist and not how you are dressed.
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Many men who could potentially be rapists will take cues from how a woman is dressed.

Behavior might play a larger role than clothing in determining whether or not an attack ever actually takes place, but its role in some instances of profiling can not be denied.
 
Gathomas88 said:
The "political agenda" in question is right here. :roll:
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lol no need to roll your eyes cause you cant back up your claim and dont have an answer
lets us know when you do

in case you forgot the request was "please do tell, what is this factual political agenda you speak of, i didnt read it in my conspiracy news letter this week?"
 
Gathomas88 said:
Define "normal." the Steubenville boys were model citizens before the incident that got them convicted.
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Who targeted that particular girl based on earlier contact (she was talking to one of those boys prior to the party in a way indicating interest), not based on her clothing/attire of the evening. There is no evidence that in the same situation, had she decided to wear a little bit more clothing than her friends or most other girls at that party, that she would not have been targeted by those boys.



Gathomas88 said:
Many men who could potentially be rapists will take cues from how a woman is dressed.

Behavior might play a larger role than clothing in determining whether or not an attack ever actually takes place, but its role in some instances of profiling can not be denied.
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Clothing only plays a role when it comes to specific rapists who are found to target based on certain types of clothing, and it doesn't even have to be clothing that is tight or shows off a lot of the body. But you can't know that without knowing the mindset of a particular rapist or at least having an MO for a particular rapist.
 
Gathomas88 said:
I'm sorry, but it is anything but a "myth."



I absolutely positive that this is not the stance taken by the psychiatric field on this issue.



I cannot access this study.



Define "normal." the Steubenville boys were model citizens before the incident that got them convicted.



That doesn't make any sense.

If you go strolling through a bad neighborhood at night in clothing far too affluent for the area, is the only risk factor a mugger being present?

No one uses this kind of logic.



Many men who could potentially be rapists will take cues from how a woman is dressed.

Behavior might play a larger role than clothing in determining whether or not an attack ever actually takes place, but its role in some instances of profiling can not be denied.
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Since you obviously aren't reading any of my links, I'm just posting a good excerpt from this one just for you to read. Maybe this will help you to understand how far off base you are about rapists.

As it happens, there is not a shred of evidence in the research literature to support the theory that a woman's risk of suffering serious sexual assault is linked to her clothing. Many factors have been identified as putting a woman at statistically greater risk, including drinking, her consensual sexual habits and (tragically) her past victimisation, but you'll find nothing on clothing. What research there is on rapists and their decision-making points to the rapist's opportunity and the victim's vulnerability (psychological and situational) as the relevant factors, not appearance. Those who work on the frontline with rape victims testify that they come in all shapes, sizes and sartorial shades.

I'm a huge admirer of the SlutWalk movement, but it's disappointing it has only led us to this debate about the "I'm-all-right-Jill" approach to rape prevention, and has yet to progress to the bigger, better question of how we reduce the number of rapes happening in the first place?

The motivations, decision-making and psychopathology of rapists are complex and much disputed between and within disciplines. Human behaviours emerge from an intricate web of socialisation and learning, evolved instincts, neurobiology and those myriad traits and cognitions we call a personality. Much of that is hard to change (in adults at least) but not all.

Our actions are affected and altered by the prevailing attitudes and values surrounding us. For example, it was not criminalisation that radically reduced drink-driving in the UK, but changes to the social norms. Sexually abusive behaviour is on a continuum and it's surely not the case that there is a clear distinction between the thought patterns of well-adjusted people on one side and the twisted, perverted logic of the rapist on the other. Yes, there may always be sadistic sexual psychopaths and otherwise deranged offenders, but there also has to be a significant number of rapists who are, shall we say, borderline cases – unsure of themselves and their actions, perhaps shaken by self-doubt or fear.

It seems almost certain that some such men can be swayed not only by better education around issues of consent and sexual violence, but also by the attitudes and values of their friends and family around them, and the voices in the pub, workplace and media. All these provide hints as to the degree of social acceptability or perceived evil of their behaviour.

That is why it is vital to challenge and rebuke remarks that trivialise or normalise rape, whether made by an internet troll or the UK justice secretary. That is why it is always dangerous to dehumanise women by comparing their bodies and sexual integrity to property and possessions, and that is why it is reprehensible to suggest that a woman in a sexy skirt should expect to be raped.
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ChrisL said:
I think it seems like YOU are the one with an agenda here. Dressing in a certain way does NOT make one vulnerable.
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If you are so sure of that, march through the most dangerous neighborhood in your city wearing nothing but a bikini.

I would suggest bringing a gun or something similar with you to ensure your safety. However, I can guarantee you that you will not like the kind of attention you wind up getting either way regardless.

Do you think you would get that same level of attention wearing something more conservative?

opendebate said:
No it doesn't. It says that rapists rarely commit this crime from having misread "cues" and on the rare occasion when cue's are involved the man would have taken anything as a cue so there was nothing the woman could have done differently to protect herself. Any look, any smile any normal movement would have been seen as a cue.
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I saw no evidence of that whatsoever from what you quoted.

Only if you are dealing with a rapist who would do it no matter what you are wearing.
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Again, I find this extremely hard to believe.

In date rapes especially, a man is not going to target a woman who appears to be unlikely to "put out" in the first place. Clothing does play a role in creating that perception.

It might not be a major role, but the role is still there.

roguenuke said:
But we know this isn't the case. There would be evidence of this. There would be an obvious difference in rape victims based on clothing worn. We do not see this though. And we don't see this because the mentality of rapists is not simply "I want to have sex with that woman because I am sexually attracted to her and I don't care if she says no". It is much more than that. There is really no rational reason to believe that the clothing a woman wears will make the difference when it comes to being targeted by a rapist in general, unless a pattern of a specific rapist is known.
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The prevalence of date rapes on college campuses would indicate otherwise.

By and large, it is not frumpy and reserved women who tend to run afoul of these kinds of problems.

Scenario: Women start dressing more "conservatively" to avoid attracting rapists. But then what is considered conservative or not changes by definition because it would be a constant battle of covering up more and more to avoid attracting "the wrong people". But they still want to attract potential consensual mates. So how do they do this without attracting rapists? Where would be the balance between not being attractive to rapists but still being attractive to other men? If every woman was to dress the same, would that confound the rapists enough so they wouldn't have a target?

Any attempt to attract a man opens a woman up to attraction from a potential rapist. But in reality, even not attempting to attract a man can still gain the attention of a potential rapist. It is not right to believe that the most scantily clad woman/women in a bar or on the street are the most likely to get raped. The clothing simply isn't the determining factor there.
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Yes, but this doesn't change the fact that going out of one's way to make a spectacle of one's self is only going to make the problem worse.

Denying this is simply foolish.
 
Gathomas88 said:
If you are so sure of that, march through the most dangerous neighborhood in your city wearing nothing but a bikini.

I would suggest bringing a gun or something similar with you to ensure your safety. However, I can guarantee you that you will not like the kind of attention you wind up getting either way regardless.

Do you think you would get that same level of attention wearing something more conservative?
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The men who do "cat calls" and whistle at a woman are NOT rapists. Getting "attention" and getting raped are two completely different things.
 
ChrisL said:
The men who do "cat calls" and whistle at a woman are NOT rapists. Getting "attention" and getting raped are two completely different things.
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Getting more of the one increases your chances of running afoul of the other.

The Steubenville boys, for instance, were cheered on by a damn crowd as they sexually abused their victim.

Do not underestimate the power of the "mob mentality."
 
Gathomas88 said:
If you are so sure of that, march through the most dangerous neighborhood in your city wearing nothing but a bikini.

I would suggest bringing a gun or something similar with you to ensure your safety. However, I can guarantee you that you will not like the kind of attention you wind up getting either way regardless.

Do you think you would get that same level of attention wearing something more conservative?



I saw no evidence of that whatsoever from what you quoted.



Again, I find this extremely hard to believe.

In date rapes especially, a man is not going to target a woman who appears to be unlikely to "put out" in the first place. Clothing does play a role in creating that perception.

It might not be a major role, but the role is still there.



The prevalence of date rapes on college campuses would indicate otherwise.

By and large, it is not frumpy and reserved women who tend to run afoul of these kinds of problems.



Yes, but this doesn't change the fact that going out of one's way to make a spectacle of one's self is only going to make the problem worse.

Denying this is simply foolish.
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Oh? Check this out! Not that I buy this either, but it's interesting nonetheless. I really don't think your manner of dress has anything to do with rape, except for perhaps in rare cases of date rape, but then I think the rape would occur regardless of how the woman is dressed in that situation too.

While people perceive dress to have an impact on who is assaulted, studies of rapists suggest that victim attire is not a significant factor. Instead, rapists look for signs of passiveness and submissiveness, which, studies suggest, are more likely to coincide with more body-concealing clothing. (140) In a study to test whether males could determine whether women were high or low in passiveness and submissiveness, Richards and her colleagues found that men, using only nonverbal appearance cues, could accurately assess which women were passive and submissive versus those who were dominant and assertive. (141) Clothing was one of the key cues: "Those females high in passivity and submissiveness (i.e., those at greatest risk for victimization) wore noticeably more body-concealing clothing (i.e., high necklines, long pants and sleeves, multiple layers)." (142) This suggests that men equate body-concealing clothing with passive and submissive qualities, which are qualities that rapists look for in victims. Thus, those who wore provocative clothes would not be viewed as passive or submissive, and would be less likely to be victims of assault.
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Gathomas88 said:
Getting more of the one increases your chances of running afoul of the other.

The Steubenville boys, for instance, were cheered on by a damn crowd as they sexually abused their victim.

Do not underestimate the power of the "mob mentality."
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That can happen no matter what a person is wearing. It's usually when a person is in the wrong place at the wrong time with a rapist PERIOD.

Oh, and there have been cases where rapists have broken into women's homes without even KNOWING what they look like to rape them too.
 
LaMidRighter said:
This comes from compilations of interviews among the convicted. It's a power play, it's forcing of one's will on someone and not gratification. Even the more passive types of rape have a power component to them.

Think about it, the little weasel type of guy who doesn't want to risk rejection from the woman he has his eye on but also doesn't have the nerve to forcibly rape her would put something in her drink or wait till she had too much. At the point that she can't say no and can't fight back he still has the power, he just went the other way with it and incapacitated her with substances rather than brute force. In either scenario the ability to refuse was taken away from the victim, their choice was taken away, their power over the situation.
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What's passive rape? Is that like, as opposed to a particularly brutal rape? If there's some scale of severity, is there some point at which there is no rape, even in the event of non-consensual sexual contact? I believe there's some implied contradiction there. Likewise, even if it ties in with your next point about drug-facilitated sexual assault. In the latter case, how do you reconcile your insistence of rape as a power play with the lack of any degradation requiring conscious awareness? Further, offender testimony doesn't equate with psychiatry, which in any case constitutes no empirical baseline. Nor does it allow for rejection of opportunism. Since you mention frequency in criminological terms, it amounts to no more than statistical probability; this being something that falls some way short of psychiatric analysis, which in itself is moot.

LaMidRighter said:
Actually, I'm going off of years of reading up on it. A person is much more likely to get over getting a severe beating than a rape. There is an entire psychology behind the rapes that a lot of warlords in third world countries have their soldiers commit, those rapes are about power, and also about humiliating the men within their opposition.
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This is all still entirely speculative. You've no way of predicting how trauma might be perceived and processed from one individual to another. What you or I might dismiss as being mildly disturbing could drive another to suicide.

As for the warlord example, you make admission of situational and cultural biases. These being at odds with any universal application that the 'power' brigade seem intent upon claiming. After all the thread's deflective free-association, we're still left with the sexual component as being the one and only necessity for qualification. No agenda necessary.
 
roguenuke said:
Who targeted that particular girl based on earlier contact (she was talking to one of those boys prior to the party in a way indicating interest), not based on her clothing/attire of the evening. There is no evidence that in the same situation, had she decided to wear a little bit more clothing than her friends or most other girls at that party, that she would not have been targeted by those boys.
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This still strikes me as being unlikely. If she had shown up dressed like a nun, the boys would have had a significantly different perception of her intent, and likely would have passed her up for someone else, who seemed more likely to fulfill their sexual needs.

ChrisL said:
Since you obviously aren't reading any of my links, I'm just posting a good excerpt from this one just for you to read. Maybe this will help you to understand how far off base you are about rapists.
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The following is of particular note here.

Yes, there may always be sadistic sexual psychopaths and otherwise deranged offenders, but there also has to be a significant number of rapists who are, shall we say, borderline cases – unsure of themselves and their actions, perhaps shaken by self-doubt or fear.
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I would argue that the majority of date rapists very likely fall into this category.

They have borderline tendencies, which are exacerbated by the situation, the alcohol in their system, or their perception of the women they are dealing with.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
The prevalence of date rapes on college campuses would indicate otherwise.

By and large, it is not frumpy and reserved women who tend to run afoul of these kinds of problems.
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This assumes that only women who attracted a date because of wearing skimpy or revealing clothing are date raped. That is a horrible assumption. Even many very conservatively dressed college women get dates and are in fact date raped. Their clothing choice has nothing to do with that.

Do you think all women should go out of their way to always look frumpy? Because that is basically what you are saying in this assumption of yours, which makes very little sense by the way, because there would still be rape even if every single woman was completely covered head to toe.

Gathomas88 said:
Yes, but this doesn't change the fact that going out of one's way to make a spectacle of one's self is only going to make the problem worse.

Denying this is simply foolish.
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There is a huge difference between wearing revealing clothing or being scantily clad and making a spectacle of one's self. And you can't even show any sort of proof/evidence that a woman who makes a spectacle of herself is more likely to be raped than someone who is a bit more reserved in her attire.
 
roguenuke said:
This assumes that only women who attracted a date because of wearing skimpy or revealing clothing are date raped. That is a horrible assumption. Even many very conservatively dressed college women get dates and are in fact date raped. Their clothing choice has nothing to do with that.

Do you think all women should go out of their way to always look frumpy? Because that is basically what you are saying in this assumption of yours, which makes very little sense by the way, because there would still be rape even if every single woman was completely covered head to toe.



There is a huge difference between wearing revealing clothing or being scantily clad and making a spectacle of one's self. And you can't even show any sort of proof/evidence that a woman who makes a spectacle of herself is more likely to be raped than someone who is a bit more reserved in her attire.
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Rapes happen in the ME all the time and even in countries where the women wear burqas.
 
Gathomas88 said:
This still strikes me as being unlikely. If she had shown up dressed like a nun, the boys would have had a significantly different perception of her intent, and likely would have passed her up for someone else, who seemed more likely to fulfill their sexual needs.
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So she should have shown up to a regular house party dressed as a nun to avoid being raped? That doesn't make sense at all. First of all, there is little reason or chance that she would be at a house party, particularly bringing her own bottle of alcohol, dressed as a nun. Dressing in revealing clothing (which we still don't know what her clothing really was or how revealing it was compared to other girls there) has nothing to do with a woman's intent when it comes to sex at that particular time. Wishing to attract a guy's attention is nowhere near the same as telling them "I want to have sex with you", no matter what the girl/woman is doing to attract the guy's attention (save outright saying that, and I knew a woman who did this, she was also known to wear sleep clothes to a country bar on occasion and still took guys home that way because she basically was just looking to have sex).

There is a huge difference between dressing conservatively and dressing like a nun.
 
ChrisL said:
Oh? Check this out! Not that I buy this either, but it's interesting nonetheless. I really don't think your manner of dress has anything to do with rape, except for perhaps in rare cases of date rape, but then I think the rape would occur regardless of how the woman is dressed in that situation too.

While people perceive dress to have an impact on who is assaulted, studies of rapists suggest that victim attire is not a significant factor. Instead, rapists look for signs of passiveness and submissiveness, which, studies suggest, are more likely to coincide with more body-concealing clothing. (140) In a study to test whether males could determine whether women were high or low in passiveness and submissiveness, Richards and her colleagues found that men, using only nonverbal appearance cues, could accurately assess which women were passive and submissive versus those who were dominant and assertive. (141) Clothing was one of the key cues: "Those females high in passivity and submissiveness (i.e., those at greatest risk for victimization) wore noticeably more body-concealing clothing (i.e., high necklines, long pants and sleeves, multiple layers)." (142) This suggests that men equate body-concealing clothing with passive and submissive qualities, which are qualities that rapists look for in victims. Thus, those who wore provocative clothes would not be viewed as passive or submissive, and would be less likely to be victims of assault.
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ChrisL said:
That can happen no matter what a person is wearing. It's usually when a person is in the wrong place at the wrong time with a rapist PERIOD.

Oh, and there have been cases where rapists have broken into women's homes without even KNOWING what they look like to rape them too.
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Yes, but those aren't the kinds of rapes we're talking about here. Serial rapists who prey upon women at random are a "wild card" factor that cannot be accounted for, or really avoided.

However, not all rapists are on their level. Some men are simply borderline, and are tipped over the edge by circumstances or some other factor. These men, while they might not have much respect for women, generally are not targeting them for the explicit purpose of rape.

They are targeting them for the purposes of getting laid, and either respond badly to being turned down, or deign to take advantage when alcohol does their job for them. A woman's clothing can play a role in influencing how such men "profile" women ahead of time, and this, in turn, can shape their view of how likely she is to have sex, and how offended they might be when she turns them down.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Yes, but those aren't the kinds of rapes we're talking about here. Serial rapists who prey upon women at random are a "wild card" factor that cannot be accounted for, or really avoided.

However, not all rapists are on their level. Some men are simply borderline, and are tipped over the edge by circumstances or some other factor. These men, while they might not have much respect for women, generally are not targeting them for the explicit purpose of rape.

They are targeting them for the purposes of getting laid, and either respond badly to being turned down, or deign to take advantage when alcohol does their job for them. A woman's clothing can play a role in influencing how such men "profile" women ahead of time, and this, in turn, can shape their view of how likely she is to have sex, and how offended they might be when she turns them down.
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What are you talking about? No one specified a "kind" of rape. We are talking about rape in general, and clothing plays a negligible role in rape, as has been shown to you time and time again.

Just admit it Gathomas, YOU don't like that women dress provocatively.

It's soooo stupid, because those guys are going to be angry no matter WHAT the woman is wearing.
 
ChrisL said:
What are you talking about? No one specified a "kind" of rape. We are talking about rape in general, and clothing plays a negligible role in rape, as has been shown to you time and time again.

Just admit it Gathomas, YOU don't like that women dress provocatively.
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this definitely seems to be the case

its the only logical excuse, its an attempt to justify ones own wrong thoughts/desires/feelings. Nothing else makes sense
 
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AGENT J said:
this definitely seems to be the case

its the only logical excuse, its an attempt to justify ones on wrong thoughts/desires/feelings. Nothing else makes sense
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If you were familiar with his past postings on the topic of women's clothing, it is quite clear that he has some disdain for women who dress more provocatively.
 
ChrisL said:
If you were familiar with his past postings on the topic of women's clothing, it is quite clear that he has some disdain for women who dress more provocatively.
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oh i familiar lol
 
roguenuke said:
This assumes that only women who attracted a date because of wearing skimpy or revealing clothing are date raped. That is a horrible assumption. Even many very conservatively dressed college women get dates and are in fact date raped. Their clothing choice has nothing to do with that.

Do you think all women should go out of their way to always look frumpy? Because that is basically what you are saying in this assumption of yours, which makes very little sense by the way, because there would still be rape even if every single woman was completely covered head to toe.

There is a huge difference between wearing revealing clothing or being scantily clad and making a spectacle of one's self. And you can't even show any sort of proof/evidence that a woman who makes a spectacle of herself is more likely to be raped than someone who is a bit more reserved in her attire.
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Maybe this is something of a "chicken and egg" kind of situation, but you really cannot deny that the women who most commonly tend to be date raped also tend to be the most irresponsible in their behavior. This can include a perception of generalized "slutiness."

Their style of dress often does play a role in why they are considered to be such in the first place.

ChrisL said:
Rapes happen in the ME all the time and even in countries where the women wear burqas.
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Actually, it would be kind of interesting to compare and contrast their rates with our own.

Date rape, I assume, would probably be almost unheard in most cases, simply because unrelated men and women spending time alone together tends to be a taboo.

I'm not sure about violent rape, however.

roguenuke said:
So she should have shown up to a regular house party dressed as a nun to avoid being raped? That doesn't make sense at all. First of all, there is little reason or chance that she would be at a house party, particularly bringing her own bottle of alcohol, dressed as a nun. Dressing in revealing clothing (which we still don't know what her clothing really was or how revealing it was compared to other girls there) has nothing to do with a woman's intent when it comes to sex at that particular time. Wishing to attract a guy's attention is nowhere near the same as telling them "I want to have sex with you", no matter what the girl/woman is doing to attract the guy's attention (save outright saying that, and I knew a woman who did this, she was also known to wear sleep clothes to a country bar on occasion and still took guys home that way because she basically was just looking to have sex).
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She was wearing tight short shorts and a tank top.

In any case, I'm not suggesting that women should "dress like nuns." I'm simply suggesting that common sense would dictate that, when a woman dresses in a manner which tends to direct an untoward amount of sexual attention to her self, she often tends to invite men to make assumptions about her sexual intentions and proclivities.

While this might not be guaranteed to attract a potential rapist's attention, it certainly would seem to increase one's odds of landing "on the radar."

There is a huge difference between dressing conservatively and dressing like a nun.
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Exactly. There is also a huge difference between dressing attractively and dressing like a "slut."

Women can do what they want in this regard, but I still find it highly unlikely that the latter approach does not attract a level of attention that can sometimes be problematic.
 
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ChrisL said:
What are you talking about? No one specified a "kind" of rape. We are talking about rape in general, and clothing plays a negligible role in rape, as has been shown to you time and time again.
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I have made it quite clear that I am not talking about all rapes, because clothing does not play a role in all rapes. It doesn't even play a role in most rapes. I am talking about the type of rapes (i.e. date rape, predominantly) where clothing actually can be said to have played a role in some cases.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

Just admit it Gathomas, YOU don't like that women dress provocatively.
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To the contrary, I love it when women dress provocatively. :lol:

That does not, however; mean that it is a good idea under all circumstances.

It's soooo stupid, because those guys are going to be angry no matter WHAT the woman is wearing.
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Who's angry? :shrug:

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If you were familiar with his past postings on the topic of women's clothing, it is quite clear that he has some disdain for women who dress more provocatively.
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Name a single instance.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
You can't tell me that the behavior and style of dress of the girl in that case didn't play at least some role in giving her rapists the impression that it would be okay for them to "cop a feel" and take advantage after she passed out.
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When I was in high school if a girl who was passed out and someone tried to take advantage of the situation to rape her, they probably would have got beat to death. At the very least they would have got their ass kicked and been a social outcast forever after. They would have been beat down by several of us football players. Maybe even killed.

I can't even fathom that someone would even try to pull some **** like that.

It's rare that anyone would be that stupid.

When I was a teen me and my brothers had huge parties with a lot of teen girls.

When I was that age. My parents were divorced and they both worked 3rd shift, me and my brothers would have a huge party with a lot of drinking, drugs and loud music every Friday and Saturday night when I was in high school. We were the football stars.

But by morning the house would be spic and span. A bunch of the more sober girls would get together and clean the entire house. Like 15 minutes before parents came home. There would be people passed out on the floor, and some cars parked in the front yard and on the street because some kids would get too drunk to drive home. But the inside of the house was super clean.

It always amazed my how a small group of teenaged girls can completely clean an entire house. Less than 15 minutes.

Lori was the leader of the bunch. She would bark out orders to the others. "jump!" "how high?"

Lori, Jodie, Shannon, Sil, Kristin and Tammy.

If you got in their way they would run you over.
 
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