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sawyerloggingon

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Do you believe in good and evil or do you just think people that do horrible things have a screw loose? I myself believe in evil and forces of darkness that take control of a soul and use it to do their bidding.

EDIT: I should have made this multiple choice, my mistake.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Do you believe in good and evil or do you just think people that do horrible things have a screw loose? I myself believe in evil and forces of darkness that take control of a soul and use it to do their bidding.
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I think they have loose screws. I don't believe in the existence of evil per se. The forces of darkness that take control of a soul come from within.
 
MaggieD said:
I think they have loose screws. I don't believe in the existence of evil per se. The forces of darkness that take control of a soul come from within.
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One comment.

We, the USA, dropped two Atomic bombs on Japan. Now, I liked Harry S Truman, but one bomb would have been more than enough, don't you think. I think the thought process that dropped the first bomb might have been good, but the second bomb was undoubtedly evil. Same guy OK'd both.
 
DaveFagan said:
One comment.

We, the USA, dropped two Atomic bombs on Japan. Now, I liked Harry S Truman, but one bomb would have been more than enough, don't you think. I think the thought process that dropped the first bomb might have been good, but the second bomb was undoubtedly evil. Same guy OK'd both.
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It wasn't "evil" -- it may have been a poor decision, but evil? No, I don't think so.
 
DaveFagan said:
One comment.

We, the USA, dropped two Atomic bombs on Japan. Now, I liked Harry S Truman, but one bomb would have been more than enough, don't you think. I think the thought process that dropped the first bomb might have been good, but the second bomb was undoubtedly evil. Same guy OK'd both.
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I actually read once, they dropped the second bomb because the Japanese believed, they only had one such megabomb and couldn't do it continually.

I believe that evil is basically ignorance and that good is enlightenment. Though we're capable of knowing better and being selfishly destructive anyway, it's not some mysterious unseen force, rather stupidity.
 
yes there is good and evil

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no such thing as good and evil

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grip said:
I actually read once, they dropped the second bomb because the Japanese believed, they only had one such megabomb and couldn't do it continually.

I believe that evil is basically ignorance and that good is enlightenment. Though we're capable of knowing better and being selfishly destructive anyway, it's not some mysterious unseen force, rather stupidity.
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Our serial killers and mass shooters? One only has to look at their eyes in their mug shots to know that their evil came from within.
 
Evil is not a thing unto itself. It's not a force, or an entity. It's people rationalizing selfish actions that hurt others. Blaming evil on anything but one's own complacency and selfishness is just passing the buck.
 
"Forces of darkness"

Yeah, we get it.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Do you believe in good and evil or do you just think people that do horrible things have a screw loose? I myself believe in evil and forces of darkness that take control of a soul and use it to do their bidding.

EDIT: I should have made this multiple choice, my mistake.
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I believe there are forces of good and evil and also insanity and the sane.
 
grip said:
I actually read once, they dropped the second bomb because the Japanese believed, they only had one such megabomb and couldn't do it continually.

I believe that evil is basically ignorance and that good is enlightenment. Though we're capable of knowing better and being selfishly destructive anyway, it's not some mysterious unseen force, rather stupidity.
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yeah, I read that too. Even with two bombs there were those in the military determine to continue the fight. Also it was estimated that an invasion of Japan by U.S. conventional forces would cost a million American lives and somewhere between 3-10 million Japanese. Okinawa was fresh in the U.S. mind, especially mothers throwing their babies off of cliffs and then jumping to their death themselves.

I have also heard it told that the firebombing of Tokyo took morel lives than the A-bombs, I am not sure if that is correct or not but the death toll on Tokyo was 100,000 or more.
 
Perotista said:
I believe there are forces of good and evil and also insanity and the sane.
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:agree: Have you heard anything new about what the disposition is on the case where the mother was trying to rid her children of demonic possession by cutting them with a knife? The account of investigators watching the boy walking backward up a fence creeped me out! How do you fake that? Something unusual going on there! :eek:
 
I don't believe in a "devil". I do believe that people do things which would be considered evil, but the reason we consider them so, is because we have a definition for good, and we all have the capacity for doing both.
 
polgara said:
:agree: Have you heard anything new about what the disposition is on the case where the mother was trying to rid her children of demonic possession by cutting them with a knife? The account of investigators watching the boy walking backward up a fence creeped me out! How do you fake that? Something unusual going on there! :eek:
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I haven't heard anything about the case. But I do believe spirits exists. Be they heavenly or demonic spirits from hell, perhaps travels in time and space, from another dimension, I don't know. I also think one who has only a closed mind and that thinks mankind can know everything would disavow them. I believe in the unknown and that somethings will always remain unknown, unproveable one way or the other.
 
MaggieD said:
Our serial killers and mass shooters? One only has to look at their eyes in their mug shots to know that their evil came from within.
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Yeah, but claiming that some unseen force caused someone to do evil, negates their own responsibility. I don't believe it works that way. There may be a force that offers choices, temptations, etc but we learn right from wrong, or positive from negative and creative from destructive actions. Good and evil are just other terms that connote some divine, innate morals from another realm. Only a Lord could judge us as good or evil, guilty or innocent. All we can say about each other is that we're either flawed or error free.
 
Perotista said:
yeah, I read that too. Even with two bombs there were those in the military determine to continue the fight. Also it was estimated that an invasion of Japan by U.S. conventional forces would cost a million American lives and somewhere between 3-10 million Japanese. Okinawa was fresh in the U.S. mind, especially mothers throwing their babies off of cliffs and then jumping to their death themselves.

I have also heard it told that the firebombing of Tokyo took morel lives than the A-bombs, I am not sure if that is correct or not but the death toll on Tokyo was 100,000 or more.
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The Japanese had not devastated their armies like Germany did, with Russia and Normandy. The US gov had estimated millions more would die, on both sides before an end to the conflict. Horrible to think that an A-Bomb was ever a more humane solution.
 
DaveFagan said:
One comment.

We, the USA, dropped two Atomic bombs on Japan. Now, I liked Harry S Truman, but one bomb would have been more than enough, don't you think. I think the thought process that dropped the first bomb might have been good, but the second bomb was undoubtedly evil. Same guy OK'd both.
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Well, I'm not a fan of dropping the atomic bombs on those cities, but the thing is that there was some level of urgency in making Japan surrender as absolutely as possible as quickly as possible because Russia was poised to do in East Asia what it had done in Eastern Europe. If we had waited even a month or two longer, Russia might have occupied the majority of the conquered territories of the Empire of Japan (on the pretext of "freeing" them) and ended up never leaving.

Japan didn't really share that urgency, at the time. They knew they weren't going to keep the territories and didn't particularly care whether they ended up in American influence or Soviet influence. They went full American in the Cold War and afterward and have pretty sour relations with the Russians overall, but at the time their goal was to string out the conflict to win more favorable concessions from the United States.
 
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grip said:
The Japanese had not devastated their armies like Germany did, with Russia and Normandy. The US gov had estimated millions more would die, on both sides before an end to the conflict. Horrible to think that an A-Bomb was ever a more humane solution.
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Yeah, in the long run it did probably save lives. A lot of lives on both sides.
 
Perotista said:
Yeah, in the long run it did probably save lives. A lot of lives on both sides.
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Why wouldn't one bomb have been satisfactory?
 
DaveFagan said:
Why wouldn't one bomb have been satisfactory?
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Even after two there was certain portions of the Japanese military who resisted surrender and in fact tried to keep the war going. I forget the name of it, but the history channel had a wonderful documentary about the last night of the war in Japan prior to the Emperor announcing their surrender. Then there was the fact most Japanese believed the U.S. had only one such bomb and the Tojo factions were most willing to take that chance.

They, the Japanese Military knew they had lost the war. But they wanted to surrender terms they could accept. There was a whole lot more to it, one would have to delve into the history of it.
 
Paschendale said:
Evil is not a thing unto itself. It's not a force, or an entity. It's people rationalizing selfish actions that hurt others. Blaming evil on anything but one's own complacency and selfishness is just passing the buck.
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IMO it does not pass the buck because you have to invite evil into your heart. We have a God given freedom of choice.
 
grip said:
Yeah, but claiming that some unseen force caused someone to do evil, negates their own responsibility. I don't believe it works that way. There may be a force that offers choices, temptations, etc but we learn right from wrong, or positive from negative and creative from destructive actions. Good and evil are just other terms that connote some divine, innate morals from another realm. Only a Lord could judge us as good or evil, guilty or innocent. All we can say about each other is that we're either flawed or error free.
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Maybe that lord gave us an innate ability to distinguish good from evil and to choose which path to follow.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Maybe that lord gave us an innate ability to distinguish good from evil and to choose which path to follow.
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Define evil and good?

The Lord created us innocently ignorant with the only way for us to learn being thru education, experience and choices. You don't really expect most of us not to not make ignorant choices and mistakes? It's really hard to not deceive ourselves sometimes, no matter how good you think you are. It's not about a rating system but rather a living experience and contribution.
 
grip said:
Define evil and good?

The Lord created us innocently ignorant with the only way for us to learn being thru education, experience and choices. You don't really expect most of us not to not make ignorant choices and mistakes? It's really hard to not deceive ourselves sometimes, no matter how good you think you are. It's not about a rating system but rather a living experience and contribution.
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Some acts are obviously good or obviously evil. There are levels of both though. Murdering someone for a thrill is obviously major evil while selling a car to someone without disclosing a problem that car has is a minor evil but when you do it you know it was wrong and feel guilt. If you are basically good that is.
 
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