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Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

  • Yes, the Constitution is political perfection and infallible. Worthy of worship.

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • No, it was created by men and while it's a good document, let's not get wrapped around the axle.

    Votes: 30 83.3%

  • The Constitution sucks, we need a new one every few years.

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • The Constitution surpasses even politics and is THE document for all of society and civilization.

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • Total voters
    36
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Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
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The U.S. Constitution has already been amended a good bit and it may be amended some more.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
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Not even the founding fathers expected it to be the be all and end all or they wouldn't have put in avenues for changing it.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
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It certainly can be wrong. However, I do think it needs to be adhered to completely. If its just a guideline, than there is little restricting what can be done. For the cases where it is egregiously wrong it can be amended.
 
Not holy, but should be followed strictly. It is the law for government.
 
Not what I would use as the legal backbone of a state.
 
I have yet to see anything that was infallible. I'd say it was more a good guideline that has provisions for being corrected from time to time as we learn more. IMO, the most important part of the constitution is our ability to change it when necessary.
 
MY religion uniquely has a passage of canonized scripture which explicitly states that God inspired the Constitution to be written and established, through men that he raised up specifically for this purpose.

To me, the Constitution itself is scripture; perhaps not directly the word of God, but very close to it.


And there is something I have been thinking about, that I find troubling.

Another volume of my religion's scripture gives account of two groups of people, who, at different times in history, were guided by God to travel across the ocean, from the Old World to somewhere in the Americas, where they thrived for a while, formed great civilizations, and then fell into wickedness and were wiped out. I see our own society on a similar path today. At one point, we had the greatest civilization that the world has ever known, but we have been in decline for at least two or three generations, and are slowly falling into wickedness and destruction. I'm old enough that I will probably not live to see the end of our society, but I have little doubt that unless we change course drastically, that there are those alive today who will see this end.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
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its not holy.....however it is the LAW.....if government can violate that law at anytime, by not following the few powers delegated them and the amendable process of the constitution, then why do we even have government , since the fundamental laws of America state.... "government is INSTITUTED to "secure the rights of the people", when they do not even follow the basics of the Constitution.......its adherence.
 
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Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
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I don't think the Constitution is infallible, but netiher are our political Rulers. Ergo, whenever a question arises, Constitutional questions should be addressed publicly and then political actions to follow according to "legally Representative' reasoning by the people's representatives. The Constitution provides protection from the character shortfalls of men, and that is not mitigated by time or alleged progress.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
MY religion uniquely has a passage of canonized scripture which explicitly states that God inspired the Constitution to be written and established, through men that he raised up specifically for this purpose.

To me, the Constitution itself is scripture; perhaps not directly the word of God, but very close to it.
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One of the most honest confessions I've ever read from a conservative. Thank you. And FWIW, I don't think your view could possibly be more off-base.
 
Phys251 said:
One of the most honest confessions I've ever read from a conservative. Thank you. And FWIW, I don't think your view could possibly be more off-base.
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sorry he is not wrong, read the letters of the founders, on the creation of the constitution, and how its tied to God.......

although not a religious document itself, the founders felt, god lead them to create it along with our union.
 
ernst barkmann said:
sorry he is not wrong, read the letters of the founders, on the creation of the constitution, and how its tied to God.......

although not a religious document itself, the founders felt, god lead them to create it along with our union.
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Please cite for me the exact Constitutional clause that specifically mentions or references the Christian god. Any amendment counts. "The year of our Lord" does not.
 
Phys251 said:
Please cite for me the exact Constitutional clause that specifically mentions or references the Christian god. Any amendment counts. "The year of our Lord" does not.
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well you didn't read my post correctly......here is what i stated again....."although not a religious document itself"

i said the founders felt they were lead by god to create it, and they express that in their letters.
 
ernst barkmann said:
well you didn't read my post correctly......here is what i stated again....."although not a religious document itself"

i said the founders felt they were lead by god to create it, and they express that in their letters.
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Then they should have made that clearer in that 100% secular document. Explain the Treaty of Tripoli.
 
Phys251 said:
One of the most honest confessions I've ever read from a conservative. Thank you. And FWIW, I don't think your view could possibly be more off-base.
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Do you have any idea what religion he is referring too when he says "a passage of canonized scripture which explicitly states that God inspired the Constitution to be written and established, through men that he raised up specifically for this purpose"?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree?
Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
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The Constitution can be changed. But only together with the country. Will be another Constitution, will be another country. Any worse or better, but different.
 
ernst barkmann said:
sure........Adams states ......the u.s. government is not religious, but not the union or its people.
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US gov't not religious? Agreed. Have Americans in general been religious? Of course. But what do you mean by "union"?
 
opendebate said:
Do you have any idea what religion he is referring too when he says "a passage of canonized scripture which explicitly states that God inspired the Constitution to be written and established, through men that he raised up specifically for this purpose"?
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Probably Christianity as he personally interprets it.
 
Phys251 said:
US gov't not religious? Agreed. Have Americans in general been religious? Of course. But what do you mean by "union"?
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the u.s. is a union of 50 states....we practice federalism... a separation of powers.

our government is federal.... not national.


We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 
Since it's been amended so many times, how infallible could it be?
 
Phys251 said:
Probably Christianity as he personally interprets it.
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If you are right, that might just be the biggest stretch I've seen to date
 
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