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Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

So far do you think Michael Dunn is guilty of murder?


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The untruth is all your as I have already provided the argument and quoted what you said.
So again.

Stop squirming and dodging J.
The facts have already won.

The facts, as well as reality and evidence, proved you wrong.
You are again being dishonest, as it was already provided.

sorry with no quote to support the lie you posted you have no credibility and facts still win.
if you disagree simply prove it to everybody and quote me.

simple Quote me saying the lie you claimed, quote me saying "you haven't posted your position"

who wants to bet that this request is dodged again and facts win again
 
sorry with no quote to support the lie you posted you have no credibility and facts still win.
if you disagree simply prove it to everybody and quote me.

simple Quote me saying the lie you claimed, quote me saying "you haven't posted your position"

who wants to bet that this request is dodged again and facts win again
Why you continue to tell untruths is beyond me. It was quoted for all to see.
You were and are being dishonest.
Every post you have made denying it is an untruth, as I have already provided the argument and quoted what you said.


So again.

Stop squirming and dodging J.
The facts have already won.

The facts, as well as reality and evidence, proved you wrong.
You are again being dishonest, as it was already provided.
 
Why you continue to tell untruths is beyond me. It was quoted for all to see.
You were and are being dishonest.
Every post you have made deny it is a lie.


As I have already provided the argument and quoted what you said.


So again.

Stop squirming and dodging J.
The facts have already won.

The facts, as well as reality and evidence, proved you wrong.
You are again being dishonest, as it was already provided.

another post and ZERO quotes :shrug:
we all know why, you posted a lie
 
Other. I don't know the accused lean.

If accused is liberal, then find him guilty, send him to the needle and get a twofer.

If accused is not liberal, then not guilty, killing liberals is always justified.
 
I have a gut feeling they're going to acquit Dunn or will be hung at a minimum.

The jury said they've reached verdicts on all but one count. That count has to be murder since the others are all the same but with different victims. One juror was reportedly crying and/or looked visibly upset when they were called back to the courtroom. Generally happy jurors acquit, unhappy jurors convict. Generally men don't cry. My theory is there's one female juror holding out for a conviction and the others are ganging up on her.
 
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I have a gut feeling they're going to acquit Dunn or will be hung at a minimum.

The jury said they've reached verdicts on all but one count. That count has to be murder since the others are all the same but with different victims. One juror was reportedly crying and/or looked visibly upset when they were called back to the courtroom. Generally happy jurors acquit, unhappy jurors convict. Generally men don't cry. My theory is there's one female juror holding out for a conviction and the others are ganging up on her.

I have a feeling he's going to be acquitted, too. They are taking too long.
 
Even if he's acquitted of murder, he's still got a minimum of 60 years for the attempted murders.
 
Even if he's acquitted of murder, he's still got a minimum of 60 years for the attempted murders.
What evidence did the state provide that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Dunn tried to shoot the other three?

If he wanted to shoot all of them why didn't he shoot the driver first?

And another thing, even the prosecution said that the shot that almost hit Tommie Stornes would have hit Davis if he would have been sitting up. That leaves reasonable doubt that the shot was aimed at the driver. It could have been aimed at Davis, or just an attempt to keep his head down.

And what about Brunson? Which shot was aimed at him?

And the shots that almost hit Thompson can be rationally explained by the fact that the SUV backed up quickly while Dunn was in the process of shooting at Davis.
 
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What evidence did the state provide that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Dunn tried to shoot the other three?

If he wanted to shoot all of them why didn't he shoot the driver first?

And another thing, even the prosecution said that the shot that almost hit Tommie Stornes would have hit Davis if he would have been sitting up. That leaves reasonable doubt that the shot was aimed at the driver. It could have been aimed at Davis, or just an attempt to keep his head down.

And w

Number one rule with a gun. Never point a gun at anything unless you plan to shoot it. He sprayed that car with his gun hoping to kill all inside it.
 
What evidence did the state provide that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Dunn tried to shoot the other three?

If he wanted to shoot all of them why didn't he shoot the driver first?

And another thing, even the prosecution said that the shot that almost hit Tommie Stornes would have hit Davis if he would have been sitting up. That leaves reasonable doubt that the shot was aimed at the driver. It could have been aimed at Davis, or just an attempt to keep his head down.

And what about Brunson? Which shot was aimed at him?

And the shots that almost hit Thompson can be rationally explained by the fact that the SUV backed up quickly while Dunn was in the process of shooting at Davis.

The shots he fired while they were in retreat are the basis of the attempted murders.
 
The shots he fired while they were in retreat are the basis of the attempted murders.
Which shot was intended to kill Stornes, which shot was intended to kill Thompson and which shot was intended to kill Brunson?

What is your theory?
 
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Which shot was intended to kill Stornes, which shot was intended to kill Thompson and which shot was intended to kill Brunson?

What is your theory?

They don't have to prove an intent to kill a specific person, only that the shots were unjustifiable.
 
I voted other---the jury will remain hung.
 
They don't have to prove an intent to kill a specific person, only that the shots were unjustifiable.

What was unjustifiable was him confronting the teens in the forst place, which he never would have done without a gun. But, that is not illegal. Once he confronted them, anything the teens in the car did to retaliate could be constituted as a reasonable threat. The law seems to be that forgiving.

Where Dunn screwed up, IMO, is in saying too much. He saw a gun, someone got out of the car, they called him a cracker...

Hung jury or conviction on lesser offenses.
 
They don't have to prove an intent to kill a specific person, only that the shots were unjustifiable.
Please explain your rationale behind that?

I don't recall the jury instructions saying that.

But I will listen to them again.
 
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Hung Jury at this point. I figured they'd be done by this Friday so that they could enjoy a nice three day weekend.
 
Three more jury questions today -

1. Is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count? Judge Russell Healey answered "Yes."
2. Are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count? Judge: "Yes."
3. If we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others. Judge: "No. Self-defense and justifiable use of deadly force applies separately to each count."
Jury asks questions on Day 4 of deliberations | News - Home

It's looking like the hangup is that at least one juror feels that self defense was warranted regarding Davis but that it wasn't against the others. That would mean a deadlock on the 1st degree and convictions on the attempts.
 
Three more jury questions today -

1. Is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count? Judge Russell Healey answered "Yes."
2. Are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count? Judge: "Yes."
3. If we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others. Judge: "No. Self-defense and justifiable use of deadly force applies separately to each count."
Jury asks questions on Day 4 of deliberations | News - Home

It's looking like the hangup is that at least one juror feels that self defense was warranted regarding Davis but that it wasn't against the others. That would mean a deadlock on the 1st degree and convictions on the attempts.

It just may be murder one on Davis and the debate is on charges involving the other three individuals. Murder one or two on Davis is pretty much a given but the other three men were placed in harms way and could have easily been killed.

Have a feeling they will go one more day.
 
Thanks, Luther. It's honestly refreshing to be able to read comments like yours that don't resort to HE HAS TO BE INNOCENT or HE HAS TO BE GUILTY OMG !!1!11

Personally, I think he's guilty but it's frustrating reading all the nasty responses - the "you clearly don't know what you are talking about because of blah blah blah"
 
Please explain your rationale behind that?

I don't recall the jury instructions saying that.

But I will listen to them again.

I couldn't find the jury instructions online. Are there any transcripts of them? My rational is that the law doesn't require an intent on the life of a specific person.
 
It just may be murder one on Davis and the debate is on charges involving the other three individuals. Murder one or two on Davis is pretty much a given but the other three men were placed in harms way and could have easily been killed.

Have a feeling they will go one more day.

Honestly, after the last couple of high profile trials in Florida, I would be hesitant to say anything is a given. I was so sure - 100% certain - that Casey Anthony was going to be guilty, but she walked. I got so personally invested in that trial because it was so heinous, and so cut-and-dried. So clear that she did it, why she did it, what she did while the body was still in the trunk, etc -- honestly? I cried when the verdict was read. I was that angry. While I watched the Zimmerman trial, and watched the Dunn trial, I have my feelings about how I think things should go, but refuse to let myself get that emotionally invested in any trial, ever again. After Casey Anthony, that proved to me that there is no justice, and no way to prove which way a jury will go.
 
Thanks, Luther. It's honestly refreshing to be able to read comments like yours that don't resort to HE HAS TO BE INNOCENT or HE HAS TO BE GUILTY OMG !!1!11

Personally, I think he's guilty but it's frustrating reading all the nasty responses - the "you clearly don't know what you are talking about because of blah blah blah"

I agree.

I think the case is textbook 2nd degree and I'm kind of surprised that the deliberations are taking this long but it's a whole hell of a lot easier to make that kind of assessment from behind a keyboard than it is in the jury room. These people know that they'll get a bad rap from someone either way they decide.
 
Honestly, after the last couple of high profile trials in Florida, I would be hesitant to say anything is a given. I was so sure - 100% certain - that Casey Anthony was going to be guilty, but she walked. I got so personally invested in that trial because it was so heinous, and so cut-and-dried. So clear that she did it, why she did it, what she did while the body was still in the trunk, etc -- honestly? I cried when the verdict was read. I was that angry. While I watched the Zimmerman trial, and watched the Dunn trial, I have my feelings about how I think things should go, but refuse to let myself get that emotionally invested in any trial, ever again. After Casey Anthony, that proved to me that there is no justice, and no way to prove which way a jury will go.

I was "invested" in the Casey Anthony trial too and was very disappointed by the verdict. She did it. But I think the jury rendered an honorable verdict based on the evidence they were allowed to consider.

And that's the thing: Every week juries are diligently and honorably working to come up with their honest best. OJ juries are the exception rather than the rule. (Judge Ito explicitly removed from the potential jury pool all those who read newspapers and weekly news magazines, and how sad is that? A jury of OJ's peers would've been his Brentwood neighbors, not the jury finally selected.)
 
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Dont know who is familiar with the case but here are all the videos so far, ill be posting pictures and articles and other things

so far today 2/10/14 I think he is guilty

for me it comes down to these things

he said he saw a gun yet there no corroborating evidence of this, It wasn't found, no wittiness saw one.

if there was one pointed at him and the cars were side by side, why would a person once they see a shot gun, reach to the glove box knowing the gun is not ready to shoot, open it, load the chamber, then place his arms out the window two hands to shoot.? im no gun expert but my guess is a shot gun could clear the interior of the car with one shot, why waste all that time, seems like there was no fear or panic but thats just my opinion

then after Dunn shoots at the SUV 10 times (1 misses) n clusters of 3, 4, 3 while the SUV was stationary (3) moving to leave (4), moving stopped during turn (3) he leaves the scene, drives 40 mins to his hotel, takes out the dog, eats, watches a movie, goes to sleep, wakes up and drives 2.5 hours home and doesnt call police

those things along with all the evidence and testimony so far make me think his goose is cooked




Day 1 opening statments
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 OPENING STATEMENTS - YouTube
Day 1 Part 2
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 PART 2 - YouTube
Day 1 Part 3
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 PART 3 FINAL - YouTube
Day 2 Part 1
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
Day 2 Part 2
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
Day 2 Part 3
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 AFTERNOON FINAL - YouTube
Day 3 Part 1
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
Day 3 Part 2
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 MORNING PART 2 - YouTube
Day 3 part 3
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
Day 3 Part 4
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 2 - YouTube
Day 3 Part 5
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 3 FINAL - YouTube
Day 4 Part 1
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
Day 4 Part 2
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 MORNING PART 2 (MEDICAL EXAMINER) - YouTube
Day 4 Part 3
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
Day 4 Part 4
MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 AFTERNOON PART 2 - YouTube

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We should have the verdict from the jury soon, I don't see any way that Mr. Dunn will walk out of that courtroom a free man.

That kid should still be alive.
 
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