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Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights? [W:85]

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

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Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

haymarket said:
So Her Barkmann, you want the ability to discriminate against anyone for any reason even if those reasons are bigoted and prejudiced? Is that correct?
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with liberty, you have the right to association, meaning i can or cannot associate with a person.

i do not advocate discriminating against anyone, but i do have the right, and government has no authority take away my right, because they just don't LIKE how i exercise that right.

bigoted ,prejudice have to do with feelings......government is not the "feelings" business....it is there to secure rights, not to tell the people how to exercise their rights.......the rights are mine .......not governments.

laws made dealings with the people, should have to do with crimes, and heath and safety..........not how to force people to do things to keep other people happy.
 
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AGENT J said:
good move moving the goal post back pedalling and reframing lol

by opinio/philosophy not by law

if you come running at me with a knife saying your gonna kill me and and i shoot you I infringed on your rights too:shrug:
meaningless
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Nice straw man, but it's predicated on legitimate threat of force against your rights. And highlights MY point, which is force applied is legitimately applied only at force used against your own exercise. I've seen your mental gymnastics on this topic before, no need to keep jumping through hoops. In some of the applications of nondiscriminatory law, government force is used against the rights of others. As such protected equally for all is not upheld by said laws.
 
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AGENT J said:
its cute that you think your opinion trumps law, rights, facts and the 100s of court cases.
It doesnt lol
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So you won't provide a court case to support your cause? I'm not sure what else you have to support your cause, but ok.
 
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Ikari said:
1.)Nice straw man, but it's predicated on legitimate threat of force against your rights. And highlights MY point, which is force applied is legitimately applied only at force used against your own exercise. I've seen your mental gymnastics on this topic before, no need to keep jumping through hoops. In some of the applications of nondiscriminatory law, government force is used against the rights of others. As such protected equally for all is not upheld by said laws.
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not a strawman at all, try all the deflections and dishonesty you want it fails and wont work. My example shows and points out how meaningless your statement was. ANd it was meaningless, it has no merrit at all. You want it to, you hope it does, you wish it had an impact but no matter your opinion it simply doesnt and law stands and its why you avoided everything else and moved the goal post and deflected which you still are. It was a smart move to backpedal, deflect and move the goal post but it just didnt work. Your opinions and philosophy and feelings are noted, they dont matter to me, facts, laws and rights and youll never be able to make them matter lol
 
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Henrin said:
So you won't provide a court case to support your cause? I'm not sure what else you have to support your cause, but ok.
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no because i dont care about your opinions when theres laws and facts being discussed. It you were presenting facts people would care.

if it will make you feel better though, pick any court case you want about illegal discrimination and civil rights, go through it, then tell us all why you feel its wrong based on your opinion and philosophies. It will be fun to read but it wont impact laws, rights and facts at all.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Discrimination is not a civil Power delegated to our elected representatives under our republican form of government.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

ernst barkmann said:
with liberty, you have the right to association, meaning i can or cannot associate with a person.

i do not advocate discriminating against anyone, but i do have the right, and government has no authority take away my right, because they just don't LIKE how i exercise that right.

bigoted ,prejudice have to do with feelings......government is not the "feelings" business....it is there to secure rights, not to tell the people how to exercise their rights.......the rights are mine .......not governments.

laws made dealings with the people, should have to do with crimes, and heath and safety..........not how to force people to do things to keep other people happy.
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So your answer to my question

So Her Barkmann, you want the ability to discriminate against anyone for any reason even if those reasons are bigoted and prejudiced? Is that correct?



is a loud, resounding and emphatic YES.
 
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haymarket said:
So your answer to my question

So Her Barkmann, you want the ability to discriminate against anyone for any reason even if those reasons are bigoted and prejudiced? Is that correct?



is a loud, resounding and emphatic YES.
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you seem to don't understand,......with RIGHT to association, AGAIN A RIGHT ...which every American has since before the constitution, ..government is suppressing that ability, that right.

or are you going to say here and now.......there is no such thing as right to association...........are you?
 
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haymarket said:
for any reason even if those reasons are bigoted and prejudiced?
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for any reason? ...NO...i favor contract law of the founders, when you are hired you sign a contract, and as long as you fulfilled your end of the contract you cannot be fired.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

haymarket said:
So your answer to my question

So Her Barkmann, you want the ability to discriminate against anyone for any reason even if those reasons are bigoted and prejudiced? Is that correct?



is a loud, resounding and emphatic YES.
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I'll answer that with a loud, resounding and emphatic YES
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

ernst barkmann said:
for any reason? ...NO...i favor contract law of the founders, when you are hired you sign a contract, and as long as you fulfilled your end of the contract you cannot be fired.
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earlier you said this

bigoted ,prejudice have to do with feelings......government is not the "feelings" business....it is there to secure rights, not to tell the people how to exercise their rights.......the rights are mine .......not governments.
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You answered quite clearly. Your answer is YES.
 
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Fletch said:
I'll answer that with a loud, resounding and emphatic YES
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Thank you.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

ernst barkmann said:
for any reason? ...NO...i favor contract law of the founders, when you are hired you sign a contract, and as long as you fulfilled your end of the contract you cannot be fired.
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Just to point out...

#1 Our contracts state explicitly that you will comply with policies and procedures, there is no requirement that they be in place and as an EE you are required to copy with all new policies and new procedures after your date of hire, not just those in place at the time of when you signed the contract.

#2 Our contracts are valid for one year and are renewed each year.



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Fletch said:
I'll answer that with a loud, resounding and emphatic YES
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hay is fully aware of my position, he is simply trying to bring attention on what is being said.

he believes the federal government has total authority to do as wants....outside of the constitution
 
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ernst barkmann said:
hay is fully aware of my position, he is simply trying to bring attention on what is being said.

he believes the federal government has total authority to do as wants....outside of the constitution
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I know what hes up to lol
 
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WorldWatcher said:
Just to point out...

#1 Our contracts state explicitly that you will comply with policies and procedures, there is no requirement that they be in place and as an EE you are required to copy with all new policies and new procedures after your date of hire, not just those in place at the time of when you signed the contract.

#2 Our contracts are valid for one year and are renewed each year.



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well your thinking of a contract based on the many, i believe, ...........but i believe in contracted based on the individual.

the contract, i am speaking of would not have a term of expiration, unless the contract was broken or the employee left the job.

the contract i mean would be one which spells out what you do as an employee for me, and things you don't do as an employee for me, and an agreement is reached on that contract.

if i do something my employer does not like, but its not part of my contract, the employer has no power to stop me, and the reverse would be true.
 
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haymarket said:
Thank you.
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You are welcome. But I support the rights of people to do things I myself would not do. That should not be confused with an endorsement of that behavior, by the way. It is just a recognition of their right to behave that way.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
hay is fully aware of my position, he is simply trying to bring attention on what is being said.

he believes the federal government has total authority to do as wants....outside of the constitution
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Actually pretty much every State also has anti-discrimination and Public Accommodation laws.


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WorldWatcher said:
Actually pretty much every State also has anti-discrimination and Public Accommodation laws.


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yes i know, and they are suppressing the right to association by having such laws.

just because someone enters the business world, does not mean they have to surrender that right........rights are unalienable, and cannot be surrendered.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
well your thinking of a contract based on the many, i believe, ...........but i believe in contracted based on the individual.

the contract, i am speaking of would not have a term of expiration, unless the contract was broken or the employee left the job.

the contract i mean would be one which spells out what you do as an employee for me, and things you don't do as an employee for me, and an agreement is reached on that contract.
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No actually I'm thinking of the contracts for employees that I'm responsible for creating. There are no "time exemptions" in the contracts. The EE agrees to abide by the organizations policies and procedures. That includes those implemented at the time of employment and those that might be updated or implemented in the future.


ernst barkmann said:
if i do something my employer does not like, but its not part of my contract, the employer has no power to stop me, and the reverse would be true.
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Sure there is in both cases:

#1 If they do something you don't like, you end your employment.

#2 If you do something they don't like (which violates their polices, yet does not violate the law), then they can end your employment for cause.​



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Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

ernst barkmann said:
hay is fully aware of my position, he is simply trying to bring attention on what is being said.

he believes the federal government has total authority to do as wants....outside of the constitution
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You took the position you took endorsing bigotry and prejudice as allowable reasons to take action. That was your position.

And please quote me where I said I believe the federal government has TOTAL AUTHORITY to do as they want outside of the Constitution. That is just an absurd thing to say but just show me where I said that please.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

AGENT J said:
not a strawman at all, try all the deflections and dishonesty you want it fails and wont work. My example shows and points out how meaningless your statement was. ANd it was meaningless, it has no merrit at all. You want it to, you hope it does, you wish it had an impact but no matter your opinion it simply doesnt and law stands and its why you avoided everything else and moved the goal post and deflected which you still are. It was a smart move to backpedal, deflect and move the goal post but it just didnt work. Your opinions and philosophy and feelings are noted, they dont matter to me, facts, laws and rights and youll never be able to make them matter lol
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A law existing doesn't mean that law protects our rights. You're essentially making a "might makes right" argument. But the actual ramification is that in the exercise of the nondiscriminatory laws, sometime the rights of the individual are infringed upon. That's just what it is. I know you don't want to acknowledge this bit of reality since it clashes with the propaganda you're trying to employ; but your propaganda does not and cannot change reality.
 
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WorldWatcher said:
No actually I'm thinking of the contracts for employees that I'm responsible for creating. There are no "time exemptions" in the contracts. The EE agrees to abide by the organizations policies and procedures. That includes those implemented at the time of employment and those that might be updated or implemented in the future.




Sure there is in both cases:

#1 If they do something you don't like, you end your employment.

#2 If you do something they don't like (which violates their polices, yet does not violate the law), then they can end your employment for cause.​



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well the contracts i refer to would follow state laws, nothing federal . because the federal government has no authority.

they would be easy to read, spelled out contracts, stating the duties of employes, and things they cannot do while employed by me.

paid, time off, other concerns, and the employee agrees with it or moves on to another job, or the contract is agreed to, then the laws enforces the contract if either party breaks it.
 
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haymarket said:
You took the position you took endorsing bigotry and prejudice as allowable reasons to take action. That was your position.
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Believing in liberty, freedom, and smaller government does not mean that the individual endorses bigotry and prejudice.


I can believe in Free Speech, as such I believe that the KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, and others have a right to voice their opinions - that does not mean that I agree with their bigotry and they prejudice.



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Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

haymarket said:
You took the position you took endorsing bigotry and prejudice as allowable reasons to take action. That was your position.
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i believe that this statement says exactly what i would say......post 217 by Fletch

But I support the rights of people to do things I myself would not do. That should not be confused with an endorsement of that behavior, by the way. It is just a recognition of their right to behave that way.





haymarket said:
And please quote me where I said I believe the federal government has TOTAL AUTHORITY to do as they want outside of the Constitution. That is just an absurd thing to say but just show me where I said that please.
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anyone who has ever debated you, knows, according to you ...there is no power the federal government has is not part of governments powers.
 
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