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Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights? [W:85]

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?


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Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

This is going to take a "ton of explaining" !
Do you feel that it is OK for some to ignore a law if they disagree with it ?
I expect people to fight unjust law. Whether or not ignoring a given law is the right thing to do or not is situational and depends upon the individual.
By and large , "goodness" MUST trump "badness" .
Goodness can be defined by eating healthy foods, regular exercise, a good work ethic, even going to church regularly. Is it your contention that those sorts of "good" things must be accomplished through state force? I hope not. I could easily argue that the overarching good is to allow free people to follow their own free will and not be subject to the arbitrary rule of state power. The truth is, under either scenario, people will do bad things. But under only one do you retain your rightful liberty.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

good thing I never said that there is proof that all people should be treated equally :shrug:

Above you wrote: <<<AGain if you disagree simply prove all the laws and rights and court cases false with any FACTS you have. Not opinions and philosophies>>>

What I am trying to explain to you is that those "laws and rights and court cases" that you apparently think are based on 'fact" are actually based on "opinions and philosophies". So to argue against them one need to use "opinions and philosophies".


Seriously, brush up on your basic logic
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Above you wrote: <<<AGain if you disagree simply prove all the laws and rights and court cases false with any FACTS you have. Not opinions and philosophies>>>

What I am trying to explain to you is that those "laws and rights and court cases" that you apparently think are based on 'fact" are actually based on "opinions and philosophies". So to argue against them one need to use "opinions and philosophies".


Seriously, brush up on your basic logic

no need what you are trying to make my statement into and what it actually means are different things. ONce again your assumptions fail and make your post wrong, your mistake
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

will some please list the rights, which are being protected by non -discrimination laws?
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

will some please list the rights, which are being protected by non -discrimination laws?

will someone please look up the court cases and what they were based on when somebody was discriminated against for say . . . . race?
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

will someone please look up the court cases and what they were based on when somebody was discriminated against for say . . . . race?

i don't see a list of rights...please provide one, which is what is asked for........not an argument.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Where we disagree is that the government has some 'right' to make me pay for my discrimination. The truth is, it is the governments obligation to defend my rights. Among those is the right to decide who I will and will not freely associate with--discriminate.
It is the job of the public or those individuals who find certain forms of discrimination to punish discrimination by discriminating themselves--by not associating or doing business whith those they find objectionable.
The problem here is that you have a massive double standard that you haven't recognized.




From my point of view it looks like most of the people in the USA are already doing that with little pressure from others.

Only a small minority of the people in the USA are on the wrong, hate-filled, side of this argument.

There is very little chance that they will ever be in a position to roll back the civil rights gains which have been made in the USA.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

i don't see a list of rights...please provide one, which is what is asked for........not an argument.


civil rights, DONE
game over and facts win again

now make your post full of OPINIONS while laws rights and facts already prove anti-discrimination laws factually protect rights
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

civil rights, DONE
game over and facts win again

now make your post full of OPINIONS while laws rights and facts already prove anti-discrimination laws factually protect rights

again an argument from you!

a list of rights, which your op says non discrimination laws protect.

please list the rights
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

again an argument from you!

a list of rights, which your op says non discrimination laws protect.

please list the rights

its not an argument its stating a fact
civil rights are the rights

your reply is what will be an attempt argument but facts already beat it
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

its not an argument its stating a fact
civil rights are the rights

your reply is what will be an attempt argument but facts already beat it

what are those rights...list them....
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?


i didn't ask for a link, i asked you to provide a list of rights, since you say rights are protected......you should know off the top of your head since you created the OP, list them please.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

i didn't ask for a link, i asked you to provide a list of rights, since you say rights are protected......you should know off the top of your head since you created the OP, list them please.

thats what i thought you have the list of examples theres nothing else to provide lol
Facts win again
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

thats what i thought you have the list of examples theres nothing else to provide lol
Facts win again

YOU created this THREAD!

you should be the one to know then what rights are protected by non discrimination laws, without posting a link......yet you cannot name any by giving me list of even a few .

YOUR entire OP is FARCE!

because you cannot provide .....no examples by a list.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

still no list, just a link.

your thread fails, because you cannot even name your rights protected in your OP you claim.

FAIL!

read you own link and provide a list of rights

already done see post #137, if you think you can make me do extra , like your posts that will fail lol
facts prove your post wrong again
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

already done see post #137, if you think you can make me do extra , like your posts that will fail lol
facts prove your post wrong again

provide a list of rights......read your own link and list them!
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

provide a list of rights......read your own link and list them!

137 . . . done
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

still no list, and you cant even provide a list from you own link.......poor!...very poor.....your OP FAILS.
facts, laws and rights already prove the op correct its impossible for it to fail and your OPINION has not impact on that

here they are again, facts win
Let me google that for you
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

facts, laws and rights already prove the op correct its impossible for it to fail and your opinion has not impact on that

here they are again, facts win
let me google that for you


still no list from you.

Since you are supposed to know your own link, you should know rights, and be able to list them........fail!
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

To a degree. I don't like it to the point where it essentially makes protected classes of people that are "more equal" than others. Your rights are your rights, the laws should merely clarify things, not create new rights or new protected groups that are't specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
 
Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination based on [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age on a national level[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]on many state, county and most major city levels it also protects sexual orientation[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Couldnt find a poll about these laws in general, most seem to focus on sexual orientation and the ENDA Bill because those are recent hot topics.

Polling shows that about 73% approve of these laws and the addition of sexual orientation


[/FONT]https://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/poll-record-percentage-of-americans-support-non-discrimination-laws
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[/FONT]According to a poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, roughly three-quarters of Americans, 73 percent, favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people from employment discrimination, versus the 22 percent who are opposed.On the religious spectrum, a majority of every major religious group favor employment discrimination protections for gay and lesbian people, including white evangelical Protestants (59%), minority Protestants (61%), white mainline Protestants (75%), Catholics (76%), and religiously unaffiliated Americans (84%).This news comes as Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Tom Harkin prepares to move forward with consideration of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) in Congress. The bill would prohibit workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity across the country.

Fairness and equal treatment under the law are foundational American values and it is not surprising that majority of Republicans, independents, and Democrats favor this policy. Eight-in-ten Democrats (80%), three-quarters (75%) of independents, and 6-in-10 (60%) Republicans favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against job discrimination"

more proof the majority support equal rights/equality and even the majority of religious people which i often point out when people unfairly group them together and say they dont.

other polls, i'll look for more that is an in general poll
http://images.politico.com/global/2013/09/29/enda_poll_2013-09-08_natl_memo.html
Polling Shows Strong Support for ENDA | Freedom to Work

So its a simple question

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

yes
no
other: explain

I don't support any AA law. Yes, people have a right to be gay if they want. However people also have a right to associate with who they want. Having a buisness does not take that right away from you. Should there be a law that makes a person have at least one gay friend? One black friend? One white friend? One Christian? One Muslim? If the answer to those questions is "no" then why the heck should you be forced to hire any of them? There is no right to a job. If there was then we wouldn't have millions of people on welfare who only have it because they can't find a job.

It is also quite obvious...at least to me....that AA laws have caused far more hard feelings and hatred than they have helped what it was supposedly made to fix.
 
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