Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Americans, the people that have borrowed from other cultures endlessly but gets angry if they choose to keep being themselves once they get here. Lolz. 'Murica, the original 4 year old child.

winston53660 said:

Pfft Dr. Pepper is the choice of originals!

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Though I like cherries, I never liked anything cherry-flavored. Reminds me of cough-syrup.

ChrisL said:

Didn't work. I'm still drinking Pepsi. Also, it's a more patriotic soda because it's red, white and blue.

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Going by that logic, I think Coke might be Communist. :lamo

Dr. Chuckles said:

Why shouldn't I prefer one immigrant over another? Are we really pretending that all immigrants bring the same level of skill, education, and views with them? Would you tell a french man he was a bigot because he was against the idea of importing american well-fare queens or a bunch of backwards klansmen from the south, but ok with Indian doctors?

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The problem with this is that the barriers are not ever along "What can they do?" lines and more "What are they like?" lines. Muslim countries have some of the best and brightest engineers in the world. What do they do when they get to America? Drive cabs. Africa also has a lot of engineers. What do they do in NYC? Work as waiters. The boundaries which have been set historically are not along the lines of work but along the lines of culture (to put in broad terms). Latin America has some great doctors. When they get to the US? They have to settle for being waiters/cleaning floors because our education system is unaffordable to most new immigrants. Europe? Well, they have a lot of kids with liberal art degrees and are useless for the most part. Yet we pose little no barriers to how they travel into the US. Europe does the same with most immigrants. If you're from a poor country you couldn't possibly be as well educated as somebody in Europe apparently. So they make the system unaffordable, they make the process tedious and unattractive to most people and then they say "These immigrants! They can't succeed! They don't want to assimilate"

It's interesting though. 150 years ago Italians, Irish, Chinese and Scottish immigrants were isolated. They couldn't work in their fields and had to look for menial labor. "Irish need not apply" was actually pretty popular for job advertisements. Today? Their descendents are arguing that the same tactics employed against their ancestors are valid when used against other immigrants. The reality is that every immigration wave in American history goes through an assimilation process. The first generation is always labelled as isolationist. They do not want to be part of America. Let's face it, with 150 year old immigration policies, I wouldn't either. I'd do as every group of immigrants has done. I'd go back to what I know, my community and let my kids be my passport into American society.

Hatuey said:

Americans, the people that have borrowed from other cultures endlessly but gets angry if they choose to keep being themselves once they get here. Lolz. 'Murica, the original 4 year old child.

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If a person is going to behave like an obstinate jack ass who goes out of their way to violate the cultural norms of the nation where they're trying to settle, they are going to be treated like one. This is true across the board (many European nations have actually gone so far as to straight up ban certain alien cultural practices that they find to be distasteful, as a matter of fact).

Many more "politically correct" Americans simply feel the need to overthink the matter for some bizarre reason. :roll:

sangha said:

Though I like cherries, I never liked anything cherry-flavored. Reminds me of cough-syrup.

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That was the east coast communist fault!

Gathomas88 said:

If a person is going to behave like an obstinate jack ass who goes out of their way to violate the cultural norms of the nation where they're trying to settle, they are going to be treated like one. This is true across the board (many European nations have actually gone so far as to straight up ban certain alien cultural practices that they find to be distasteful, as a matter of fact).

Many more "politically correct" Americans simply feel the need to overthink the matter for some bizarre reason. :roll:

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Trying to settle? Nobody is trying to settle any nation. That's done by governments. People come here to eek out a living. That's it. They don't come here to wave flags and eat hot dogs and go to the Macy's parade. They come here to get a job, buy a house and send their kids to school. Not to engage in some faux nationalism you subscribe to.

Hatuey said:

Trying to settle? Nobody is trying to settle any nation. That's done by governments. People come here to eek out a living. That's it. They don't come here to wave flags and eat hot dogs and go to the Macy's parade. They come here to get a job, buy a house and send their kids to school. Not to engage in some faux nationalism you subscribe to.

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Then you have no business being here. That's all there is to it.

We have no need for "fair weather" citizens.

Gathomas88 said:

If a person is going to behave like an obstinate jack ass who goes out of their way to violate the cultural norms of the nation where they're trying to settle, they are going to be treated like one. This is true across the board (many European nations have actually gone so far as to straight up ban certain alien cultural practices that they find to be distasteful, as a matter of fact).

Many more "politically correct" Americans simply feel the need to overthink the matter for some bizarre reason. :roll:

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Absolutely. There are reasons for having a common language in a country. Just because some people are too dense to understand that concept doesn't mean anything.

Gathomas88 said:

Then you have no business being here. That's it.

We have no need for "fair weather" citizens.

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Faith weather citizens? You mean everyone who has come here to US? The Puritans were running away from England. The Protestants came here to avoid the Catholics. The Africans were brought here for cheap labor. The Chinese came here to escape the British. Even the Native Americans came here to look for food. The Italians came here to escape poverty. The Irish came here to escape potatoes. So who exactly are you referring to as fair weather citizens? Everyone? Again, your faux nationalism gets you nowhere once you address it beyond platitudes.

Gathomas88 said:

Then you have no business being here. That's all there is to it.

We have no need for "fair weather" citizens.

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Actually, with our declining fertility rates, we do have a need for immigration to bolster our population growth

Hatuey said:

Faith weather citizens? You mean everyone who has come here to US? The Puritans were running away from England. The Protestants came here to avoid the Catholics. The Africans were brought here for cheap labor. The Chinese came here to escape the British. Even the Native Americans came here to look for food. The Italians came here to escape poverty. The Irish came here to escape potatoes. So who exactly are you referring to as fair weather citizens? Everyone? Again, your faux nationalism gets you nowhere once you address it beyond platitudes.

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And they all (with the exception of the Africans and the Native Americans, which wasn't even their fault anyway) assimilated into mainstream American culture, and happily embraced American notions of nationalism.

If the only reason you're in our nation in the first place is to leech off of the benefits our economy and welfare state provides, while giving nothing back in return and not even bothering to try and learn our language or customs in the process (which is pretty much exactly what you just suggested), you can go fly a kite for all I care. We neither need nor want you here.

sangha said:

Actually, with our declining fertility rates, we do have a need for immigration to bolster our population growth

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Which is an excellent argument for why we need to pick up our own birthrates, and not blindly rely upon immigrant populations who may have no intention of respecting our values or way of life instead.

If we're not careful, they might very well wind up taking our own country out from under us.

APACHERAT said:

Out here on the Left Coast, Coke bottled in Mexico is what many want. They use sugar instead of corn syrup.
You can taste the difference.

But the scuttlebutt is, they (Mexico) will soon be switching over to corn syrup. I think it's a NAFTA thing.

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I now difference between fructose (corn syrup, Coke made in US) and sucrose (sugar,Coke made in Mexiсo and Coke made specially for Passover in US), but i can't taste a differences. I drink tea. Hot black tea grown in India and Ceylon. I brew it in a special ceramic vessel. Nothing can compare with the color, taste and aroma of the real tea leaves. I never drink trash in the bags.

Gathomas88 said:

And they all (with the exception of the Africans and the Native Americans, which wasn't even their fault anyway) assimilated into mainstream American culture, and happily embraced American notions of nationalism.

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After about 60-150 years. Which makes your current complaining about all those relatively new immigrant groups who won't assimilate: Unwarranted. Again, this is the country that 80 years ago wouldn't even have considered a Catholic president much less a black one. The same country who made it unlikely(use that term lightly) for Asians to do more than run laundry shops. It made it impossible to be Irish & Catholic and at the same time "wealthy". These same policies still exist though not as pronounced for the new immigrants. Now, it takes what? 5-10 years for people to become citizens. Another 25-30 years for them to find financial stability. So what do they do? The same as every other group that came before them. They go to their communities and join American society through their descendents, they learn English at their own pace and at their convenience or not at all if they have kids. They do as every other group has done. So quit your complaining and let them be. :shrug:

Hatuey said:

After about 60-150 years. Which makes your current complaining about all those relatively new immigrant groups who won't assimilate: Unwarranted. :shrug:

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The Irish, Italians, and other European groups were "assimilated" within two or three generations. The latest wave of Latin immigration has been going on for almost that long already, and shows no such signs of integrating into our mainstream culture.

There was never any ridiculous talk of becoming a "bi-lingual" nation when those earlier waves of immigrants arrived on our shores either.

loader said:

I now difference between fructose (corn syrup, Coke made in US) and sucrose (sugar,Coke made in Mexiсo and Coke made specially for Passover in US), but i can't taste a differences. I drink tea. Hot black tea grown in India and Ceylon. I brew it in a special ceramic vessel. Nothing can compare with the color, taste and aroma of the real tea leaves. I never drink trash in the bags.

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I'm an iced tea drinker by choice. Went on a green tea kick for ten or so years.

But when it comes to hot brews it's Colombian coffee, nothing else. Black Columbian coffee.

The only time I drink a Coke or Shasta is when I'm eating pizza, Tex-Mex or burgers. Never as a beverage by itself.

What I understand that it's advised to chase down pizza and Mexican foods with a carbonated drink, either a carbonated soft drink or beer.

Gathomas88 said:

And they all (with the exception of the Africans and the Native Americans, which wasn't even their fault anyway) assimilated into mainstream American culture, and happily embraced American notions of nationalism.

If the only reason you're in our nation is to leech off of the benefits our economy and welfare state provides, while giving nothing back in return and not even bothering to try and learn our language or customs (which is pretty much exactly what you just suggested), you can go fly a kite for all I care. We neither need nor want you here.

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Speak for yourself.

Regardless of why people come here, the fact is clear that their ancestors will become fully assimilated into American culture.

Which is an excellent argument for why we need to pick up our own birthrates, and not blindly rely upon immigrant populations who may very well have no intention of respecting our values or way of life instead.

If we're not careful, they might very well wind up taking over outright.

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PS - immigrants are more likely to have traditional values than american citizens.

Gathomas88 said:

The Irish, Italians, and other European groups were "assimilated" within two or three generations. The latest wave of Latin immigration has been going on for almost that long already, and shows no such signs of integrating into our mainstream culture.

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Nonsense. Latinos are assimilating just fine.

Gathomas88 said:

The Irish, Italians, and other European groups were "assimilated" within two or three generations.

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The latest wave of Latin immigration has been going on for almost that long already, and shows no such signs of integrating into our mainstream culture.

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That's 60 years at best. 115 years at worst. So which one are we going with? Either/or I'm fine. If we're going by 20-25 year generations: In the 1950s there were about 1 million Latin American immigrants in the US. Today, about 40% of Hispanics were born outside of the US. This essentially means that out of maybe 20-25 million Latin American immigrants a good 8-10 million will be first generation immigrants that fit well within my statement about immigration trends. The other 12-15 million will be just now entering the assimilation phase of immigrants. Which again makes your complaining: unwarranted as they are fulfilling the trend all other groups have. They own stores, speak English, wave your precious flags and eat hot dogs. Don't worry though in another 30-40 years, they'll be complaining that people aren't coming here and speaking English. :shrug:

There was never any ridiculous talk of becoming a "bi-lingual" nation when those earlier waves of immigrants arrived on our shores either.

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That happens when you live in a society that thinks the Irish are subhumans, the Italians are all murderers and the Scottish are good for nothing drunks. Today, most people ain't taking that ****. Good for them.

sangha said:

Speak for yourself.

Regardless of why people come here, the fact is clear that their ancestors will become fully assimilated into American culture.

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That is far from a given, especially considering how our existing culture seems to be in decline at the present moment.

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Seemed to work out swimmingly for Lebanon, didn't it? :roll:

Lebanese Civil War

Frankly, demographic shift wouldn't even be all that much of a problem, if, the immigrants in question would simply assimilate into mainstream American culture, as every past wave of immigrants did. These most recent arrivals are not.

This is creating a cultural rift within our country which could become dangerous if current trends continue.

sangha said:

Actually, with our declining fertility rates, we do have a need for immigration to bolster our population growth

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There are already 150 million to many people in America today. Congress during the 1920's after adopting the Dillingham Commission Report to Congress suggested that America cap it's population at 150 million.

When America did reach the 150 million mark (and I was around when we did) and if you were around back then you should remember the government telling Americans to stop popping out so many babies.

APACHERAT said:

I'm an iced tea drinker by choice. Went on a green tea kick for ten or so years.

But when it comes to hot brews it's Colombian coffee, nothing else. Black Columbian coffee.

The only time I drink a Coke or Shasta is when I'm eating pizza, Tex-Mex or burgers. Never as a beverage by itself.

What I understand that it's advised to chase down pizza and Mexican foods with a carbonated drink, either a carbonated soft drink or beer.

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My wife is "coffee people". Morning coffee and coffee at night. I have high blood pressure and I stopped drinking this drink at all

Gathomas88 said:

That is far from a given, especially considering how our existing culture seems to be in decline at the present moment.

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It has far more to support it (ie all of our history) than your speculation, which has nothing to support it.

Seemed to work out swimmingly for Lebanon, didn't it? :roll:

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You think Lebanon's problems are due to immigration? :lamo

sangha said:

Nonsense. Latinos are assimilating just fine.

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