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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"

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rocket88 said:
That's because it is xenophobia. Just because you think that's a bad word doesn't change it. What you're proposing is the same attitude that led to certain countries being limited in the past - back then "we" didn't want all sorts of papists coming in and putting the Pope ahead of the President. It was a popular opinion at various times, and there was even a political party dedicated to that - the "Know-Nothings."

I know that we can't have people running around making accusations (though apparently doing it to Liberals is considered OK), but you basically said something xenophobic and then said it was a vile name. Well, that's like saying "I know everyone's gonna call me an anti-semite and other horrible things, but I hate jews."
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I disagree, Rocket.

The main point is that the people who built and died for this country were treated very unfairly by the government, when denied the right to vote on a Liberal agenda plan for overwhelming, culture destroying immigration, and then called names when they objected. Extreme resentment is a natural result of that.

Additionally, no one ever heard the word "Xenophobia" before the Mexicans and Asians were encouraged to colonize the United States. It is a political word the Liberals have provided to their constituents and foreigners to call Americans.
 
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ChrisL said:
Okay, well this really doesn't go against anything I've stated, since it clearly states that English is a requirement for citizenship, so what's your point?
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The point is, I think, that legal immigrants, i.e visa applicants and green card holders are not required to speak English. That's only a requirement if they apply for citizenship. It's not the same thing.
 
americanwoman said:
Wow more people were getting killed on the job sites before all these non speaking immigrants started invading that trade.
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The only logical conclusion that one can draw from that is that the influx of non-english speaking workers in the construction industry has made the industry safer.

Maybe they fire the english speaking construction workers.
 
Arcana XV said:
The point is, I think, that legal immigrants, i.e visa applicants and green card holders are not required to speak English. That's only a requirement if they apply for citizenship. It's not the same thing.
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I acknowledged that for work purposes they may not have to, but I am talking about legal immigrants who want to reside in the United States.
 
sangha said:
The only logical conclusion that one can draw from that is that the influx of non-english speaking workers in the construction industry has made the industry safer.

Maybe they fire the english speaking construction workers.
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Wow! Lol! What a simpleton post. Obviously you didn't read any of the links, which state that safety on construction sites has improved except for in Hispanic-speaking workers.
 
ChrisL said:
I acknowledged that for work purposes they may not have to, but I am talking about legal immigrants who want to reside in the United States.
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Again, legal residents (visa and green card holders) are NOT required to speak English. I know plenty of them. Before they even got here and were in the process of getting their green cards, the US government corresponded with them in Spanish! Their lack of English skills was never even an issue.
 
Superfly said:
Nice hyperbole. Also, PUTTING EVERYTHING IN CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POINT ANY STRONGER.

Come on Chris. Don't act like you are worried about them being taken advantage of. :lol: The migrant workers know full well what they face when they come here to work, yet they still risk life and limb to come here and work. That tells me that things are so bad where they are, that they are willing to do whatever needs to be done to be here.
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Yep, the concern for their welfare is so fake, but you won't see them put up the money to provide enough english classes for immigrants to learn english, and they'll complain that the ones that are available are FREEEEEEEEE!!!! Oh, the agony!
 
Ray410 said:
I disagree, Rocket.

The main point is that the people who built and died for this country were treated very unfairly by the government, when denied the right to vote on a Liberal agenda plan for overwhelming, culture destroying immigration, and then called names when they objected. Extreme resentment is a natural result of that.

Additionally, no one ever heard the word "Xenophobia" before the Mexicans and Asians were encouraged to colonize the United States. It is a political word the Liberals have provided to their constituents and foreigners to call Americans.
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The extreme resentment you reference is xenophobia. We also don't have direct national referendums in this country. It's not in the Constitution. We do have voting, you can always vote for someone else.

But when someone says "We can't let Mexicans and Asians destroy our culture," that is textbook xenophobia. Typical of you to blame it all on someone else instead of taking personal responsibility for your beliefs.
 
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Grant said:
It's clear that unlike most every other country in the world, the US cannot protect its own borders, nor can they easily deport those who have entered the country illegally. But Hey! What about the slow traffic on that bridge in New Jersey!
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I'm glad to see that you're finally talking about that bridge because in the thread that's actually about the bridge, you can't stop talking about Benghazi
 
Arcana XV said:
Again, legal residents (visa and green card holders) are NOT required to speak English. I know plenty of them. Before they even got here and were in the process of getting their green cards, the US government corresponded with them in Spanish! Their lack of English skills was never even an issue.
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Lol! Did you read the link? It is not that simple. Anyway, none of this negates the fact that in order to become a citizen an immigrant is required to know some English. Right? I mean they could be here for 5 years or more, but if they can't speak or understand any English, they are not going to pass the test.

Also, abou the visa and work papers, they are also in English.
 
sangha said:
Yep, the concern for their welfare is so fake, but you won't see them put up the money to provide enough english classes for immigrants to learn english, and they'll complain that the ones that are available are FREEEEEEEEE!!!! Oh, the agony!
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LOl! Free English classes are already offered for immigrants.
 
ChrisL said:
What about them SF? If they passed their citizenship tests, they have demonstrated an ability to speak and understand English in written and verbal forms.
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Citizenship tests do not necessarily require a knowledge of english and can be given in the immigrants native language

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Ray410 said:
No. Foreigners are the tools used, the extreme resentment is the reaction to the unfair treatment of Americans condoned by a Liberal government agenda. The word "Xenophobia" has nothing to do with this normal reaction of resentment. The resentment is directed at the Mexicans and Asians because the government used them as tools to achieve it's purpose. They are the face of destruction of the American culture.
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You talk about how "outsiders" (xeno) are destroying this country, and that makes people afraid (phobia). Then you say it's not xenophobia??? It's textbook, it's exactly what xenophobia is by definition.
 
ChrisL said:
Lol! Did you read the link? It is not that simple. Anyway, none of this negates the fact that in order to become a citizen an immigrant is required to know some English. Right? I mean they could be here for 5 years or more, but if they can't speak or understand any English, they are not going to pass the test.

Also, abou the visa and work papers, they are also in English.
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For citizenship, yes. For legal residency, no. It really is that simple. There are millions of legal immigrants in the US right now who aren't required to learn English if they never intend to apply for citizenship. Many never do. They just keep renewing their green card. :shrug:
 
ChrisL said:
LOl! Free English classes are already offered for immigrants.
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They are overwhelmed by the # of immigrants who sign up for the class even though, according to the xenophobes, they don't want to learn english

But since you're so eager to protect those immigrants from the risks of not knowing english, I'm sure you support increased funding for the classes.
 
rocket88 said:
You talk about how "outsiders" (xeno) are destroying this country, and that makes people afraid (phobia). Then you say it's not xenophobia??? It's textbook, it's exactly what xenophobia is by definition.
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Have it your way. Xenophobia then would be a natural result of resentment to overwhelming colonization by another country. It sounds logical to me.

The word remains a despicable thing for a self serving, cowardly government to call it's own people while it implicitly surrenders to a foreign country invasion without a shot being fired.
 
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Arcana XV said:
For citizenship, yes. For legal residency, no. It really is that simple. There are millions of legal immigrants in the US right now who aren't required to learn English if they never intend to apply for citizenship. Many never do. They just keep renewing their green card. :shrug:
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No they cannot. You cannot stay indefinitely on a green card. Those who do usually let their card expire and are here illegally.
 
sangha said:
They are overwhelmed by the # of immigrants who sign up for the class even though, according to the xenophobes, they don't want to learn english

But since you're so eager to protect those immigrants from the risks of not knowing english, I'm sure you support increased funding for the classes.
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Well no I do not. They can wait then. It is not my responsibility to coddle immigrants. They can pay for their classes or wait for their citizenship like everyone else.

Why on earth anyone thinks it is our responsibility to teach people who want to become immigrants is beyond me. We do that as a favor to be nice.
 
Arcana XV said:
For citizenship, yes. For legal residency, no. It really is that simple. There are millions of legal immigrants in the US right now who aren't required to learn English if they never intend to apply for citizenship. Many never do. They just keep renewing their green card. :shrug:
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There are only three ways to obtain a green card in the United States:

1) Because you married a United States citizen and you are awaiting your permanent citizen status.
2) For work purposes.
3) For asylum.

All of these cards have to be renewed every 2 years, and there is tons of paperwork (all in English) that needs to be filled out by the applicant.
 
ChrisL said:
I was referring to those who want to become citizens, and your link says that they still have to pass tests which are given in English.
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if you go back and read the discussion, it was obvious you first mentioned "immigrants", then specifically responded to a remark from me about how no test was required for a visa or residency with "I don't know what you're talking about. As far as I was aware, ***you don't get residency unless you pass a citizenship/naturalization test***. Link please?"
 
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