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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"


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Hawaii, that's another place I want to visit. :) Perfect weather all the time.

Yeah, Costa Rica with the Pacific wind is another year round 70's temp climate. I used to like the seasonal changes but they're miserable now, due to my lower tolerance levels. Places like Hawaii and Vegas are so heavily commercialized you have to have big bucks to stay in the nicer areas.
 
Nice hyperbole. Also, PUTTING EVERYTHING IN CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POINT ANY STRONGER.

Come on Chris. Don't act like you are worried about them being taken advantage of. :lol: The migrant workers know full well what they face when they come here to work, yet they still risk life and limb to come here and work. That tells me that things are so bad where they are, that they are willing to do whatever needs to be done to be here.

Why are things so bad in Mexico that they need 'risk life and limb' to enter anther country illegally?
 
Why are things so bad in Mexico that they need 'risk life and limb' to enter anther country illegally?

Apparently, not speaking English means you're more violent and can't fly on planes.
 
Yeah, Costa Rica with the Pacific wind is another year round 70's temp climate. I used to like the seasonal changes but they're miserable now, due to my lower tolerance levels. Places like Hawaii and Vegas are so heavily commercialized you have to have big bucks to stay in the nicer areas.
I live half the year in Costa Rica, which is beautiful, but now I'd seriously considered Nicaragua. Lots of great places in Central America, and handy too.
 
The coke add did not bother me.
For the USA to continue to do well, we need immigrants.
We cannot sustain ourselves without them.
The best we can hope for, is that they only bring the better
portions of their cultures with them.
 
The coke add did not bother me.
For the USA to continue to do well, we need immigrants.
We cannot sustain ourselves without them.
The best we can hope for, is that they only bring the better
portions of their cultures with them.

It's clear that unlike most every other country in the world, the US cannot protect its own borders, nor can they easily deport those who have entered the country illegally. But Hey! What about the slow traffic on that bridge in New Jersey!
 
The idea that one must always speak English, or even speak English at all, to be an American represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what liberty means. To be an American only requires that you believe that you have the freedom to live your life how you wish to and to respect the right of others to do the same.
 
It's clear that unlike most every other country in the world, the US cannot protect its own borders, nor can they easily deport those who have entered the country illegally. But Hey! What about the slow traffic on that bridge in New Jersey!
Look on the bright side, other countries have to encourage immigration,
They come to the US for free!
 
They live in poverty for a first generation? That's not going to change because they speak English. That's going to change once their degrees are recognized, their cultures receive equal treatment as Euro-trash degrees or they are able to integrate society without us putting the boundary of tens of thousands of dollars. As those things don't change, English speaking African engineers who immigrate will still be driving cabs, Caribbean doctors will still be busing tables and Greek kids will be working at their mom & pop restaurants.

You're still ignoring the fact that the dynamics of the US job market and it's native population has changed since the 1960's. For example, in 1960, the immigrant population was basically on par with the native population in number of collage degrees and number of high school dropouts. With the immigrant breakdown being 60% dropouts, compared to 50% Americans, with collage degree holders representing roughly an equal amount of both populations (10%).

Fast forward to today, and that mix is much more disproportional, with the dropout rate now shifting to 7% of Americans, but almost 30% of immigrants. So to argue the employment situation is similar to what it was in the 60's, and that these people are offered the same opportunities and hardships as the past, when we have a much more specialized economy and a much less competitive population is clearly a pipe dream.

The above pressures are also reflected in the research: <<<Economists often measure the rate of economic assimilation by calculating how the
wage gap between natives and a specific wave of immigrants narrows over time (see
Figure 1). Consider the group of immigrant men who arrived in the late 1960s at a
relatively young age (they were 25-34 years old in 1970). These immigrants earned 13
per cent less than comparably aged native workers at the time of entry. This wage gap
had narrowed to about 3 percentage points by 1998, when both immigrants and natives
were 53-62 years old. Overall, the process of economic assimilation reduced the initial
wage disadvantage of these immigrants by 10 percentage points over a thirty-year
period, and allowed them to almost ‘catch up’ with native earnings.

However, the young immigrants who arrived after 1970 face a much bleaker future –
simply because they start out with a much greater disadvantage. Consider those who
arrived in the late 1970s. By the late 1990s, twenty years after arrival, those immigrants
were still earning 12 per cent less than natives. The situation is even gloomier for those
who arrived in the late 1980s. They started out with a 23 per cent wage disadvantage,
but the wage gap actually grew, rather than narrowed, during the 1990s. If the historical
experience is used to extrapolate into the future, these cohorts should be able to
eventually narrow the gap by about 10 percentage points, so that these immigrants will
earn much less than natives throughout their working lives.

The Economic Integration of Immigrants in the United States: Lessons for Policy; Borjas
 
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The idea that one must always speak English, or even speak English at all, to be an American represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what liberty means. To be an American only requires that you believe that you have the freedom to live your life how you wish to and to respect the right of others to do the same.

Absolutely. But without English you'll most likely be trapped in that independent life you've chosen, as will your children. Speaking English is an obvious asset for anyone who wants to advance their life, as is Spanish in many parts of the world. English is essential, Spanish is a bonus.
 
Do you not understand what a false dichotomy is? I stated the premise of your post was false so there is nothing to address. It asserts that people are "hurt" (whatever that means) when they don't speak English. It's about as nonsensical as saying that not speaking Arabic will hurt your chances of getting a job in the Middle East. It's spoken by somebody with a limited world view. Again Chris, how many languages do you speak and do you have any experience working outside of the US?

dude, speaking english has a direct impact on both employment and social opportunities. To argue the lack of basic English skills do not impact someone's earning potentials in an English speaking country is totally absurd, and the reason your ME analogy doesn't hold up is due to the fact that English is an amazingly widely adopted language and used heavily for commercial trade. So while only speaking english would still restrict you, it wouldn't restrict you in the same way, or have as large of an impact
 
Absolutely. But without English you'll most likely be trapped in that independent life you've chosen, as will your children. Speaking English is an obvious asset for anyone who wants to advance their life, as is Spanish in many parts of the world. English is essential, Spanish is a bonus.

Absolutely, English should be taught in school and to immigrants for all the obvious practical reasons
 
Lol, OSHA investigation. *smh* - You posted "information" on a study that shows that there as more immigrants come the US, there will be larger numbers of poor people not that not speaking English makes them poorer. Yes Chris, that's how it works. Immigrants come here? Their degrees are not accepted, they find jobs in other fields whether they like it or not. If they have the ability, they work through school maybe. If they have kids and other things to pay for they don't and end up like the overwhelming majority of immigrants. :shrug:

From the study I cited earlier: <<<The acquisition of English language skills plays a crucial role in economic assimilation
simply because it opens up many more job opportunities. In other words, immigrants
earn substantially more if they understand and speak English. For example, Hispanic
immigrants who speak English earn 17 per cent more than those who do not, even after
adjusting for differences in education and other socioeconomic characteristics between
the two groups. And as much as half of the wage narrowing that occurs between
immigrants and natives in the first twenty years after arrival can be attributed to the
gains from learning the English language.>>>
 
Again, while I think people are overreacting to the video, who performed it is something rather different than the content and perceived message.

That's the thing, though. This thread is as long and as heated (at times) as it is precisely because people perceived the message differently. Some perceived it as the company intended it to tbe perceived and others, well... not so much. :lol:
 
Again, while I think people are overreacting to the video, who performed it is something rather different than the content and perceived message.

What's this "percieved message" though, other than "please choose Coke when you're thirsty?"
 
Don't forget about those damn lettuce pickers. They're dangerous, you know.

Actually the ability to communicate with civil and emergency workers is a value in itslef, and with both the cab driver and waiter, there would be clear safety issues involved with the lack on English skills. For example, a waiter's ability to understand questions from customers concerning allergies or special dietary requirements is the obvious.

PS we can obviously have a realistic discussion about this that goes beyond :speaking english has no impact/ not speaking english will cause aids
 
That's the thing, though. This thread is as long and as heated (at times) as it is precisely because people perceived the message differently. Some perceived it as the company intended it to tbe perceived and others, well... not so much. :lol:

Politics is perception, as someone once noted, and most of these debates surround perception, the biases contained therein, and never absolute reality. I'm beginning to believe there is no such thing as truth, only limitless confusion everywhere, and whoever can make some sort of generally acceptable and articulate sense out of it, wins. But that may have little or nothing to do with what the truth might be.
 
It's clear that unlike most every other country in the world, the US cannot protect its own borders, nor can they easily deport those who have entered the country illegally. But Hey! What about the slow traffic on that bridge in New Jersey!

:lamo SO true!
 
You're still ignoring the fact that the dynamics of the US job market and it's native population has changed since the 1960's. For example, in 1960, the immigrant population was basically on par with the native population in number of collage degrees and number of high school dropouts. With the immigrant breakdown being 60% dropouts, compared to 50% Americans, with collage degree holders representing roughly an equal amount of both populations (10%).

Fast forward to today, and that mix is much more disproportional, with the dropout rate now shifting to 7% of Americans, but almost 30% of immigrants. So to argue the employment situation is similar to what it was in the 60's, and that these people are offered the same opportunities and hardships as the past, when we have a much more specialized economy and a much less competitive population is clearly a pipe dream.

The above pressures are also reflected in the research: <<<Economists often measure the rate of economic assimilation by calculating how the
wage gap between natives and a specific wave of immigrants narrows over time (see
Figure 1). Consider the group of immigrant men who arrived in the late 1960s at a
relatively young age (they were 25-34 years old in 1970). These immigrants earned 13
per cent less than comparably aged native workers at the time of entry. This wage gap
had narrowed to about 3 percentage points by 1998, when both immigrants and natives
were 53-62 years old. Overall, the process of economic assimilation reduced the initial
wage disadvantage of these immigrants by 10 percentage points over a thirty-year
period, and allowed them to almost ‘catch up’ with native earnings.

However, the young immigrants who arrived after 1970 face a much bleaker future –
simply because they start out with a much greater disadvantage. Consider those who
arrived in the late 1970s. By the late 1990s, twenty years after arrival, those immigrants
were still earning 12 per cent less than natives. The situation is even gloomier for those
who arrived in the late 1980s. They started out with a 23 per cent wage disadvantage,
but the wage gap actually grew, rather than narrowed, during the 1990s. If the historical
experience is used to extrapolate into the future, these cohorts should be able to
eventually narrow the gap by about 10 percentage points, so that these immigrants will
earn much less than natives throughout their working lives.

The Economic Integration of Immigrants in the United States: Lessons for Policy; Borjas

Some really GREAT points here, but they will probably be ignored by those with their one-track minds shut unfortunately.
 
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