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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"


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You're either not reading your links or you are posting links to see what sticks. Immigrants in construction account for 2.2 million as per your link. Total number of immigrants in the US? 38 million. That means 5% of all immigrants work in construction. The rest? Menial jobs. So again I ask, what danger does the guy fixing computers at a computer store pose to you?

Um, I think it's you who is not reading links.

Where Construction Workers Come From

According to the 2011 ACS, the share of immigrant workers in the US labor force now stands at slightly above 16 percent[1]. The reliance of the construction industry on foreign born workers is even greater. Immigrants now account for 22 percent of the construction work force[2].
 
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A Nigerian cab driver who knows street names in English and nothing else isn't putting anybody at risk.

A Chinese guy who only understands "Number ...." at Chinese restaurants isn't putting you at risk.

A Nigerian cab driver who doesn't know English wont be able to function in any major city. Therefore he may go to the wrong place and put somebody at risk. A Chinese guy who only understands "numbers" wont know what health codes are and places everyone at the restaurant at risk.

I am not saying that your point is wrong but I think you are overselling that English isn't a critical skill in this country. To get anywhere advanced, English is a necessity.
 
You're either not reading your links or you are posting links to see what sticks. Immigrants in construction account for 2.2 million as per your link. Total number of immigrants in the US? 38 million. That means 5% of all immigrants work in construction. The rest? Menial jobs. So again I ask, what danger does the guy fixing computers at a computer store pose to you?

Because the guy fixing the computer must be mute, deaf, and dumb because if he can't speaka english there's no other way he can communicate or understand to do his job that he knows quite well how to do and the computer will blow up.
 
Retarded huh? You like to throw that word around alot.

Anyway let's look at some statistics

https://www.osha.gov/oshstats/commonstats.html





Wow more people were getting killed on the job sites before all these non speaking immigrants started invading that trade.

And falling is the most common one. That guy probably wouldn't have lost his balance, had he known English.

:lamo That's funny. If you had been reading my links, you would see that they say the accident rate for all others has dropped EXCEPT for Hispanic speaking immigrants. And here's another link for you too.

Hispanic Workers Die at Higher Rate - NYTimes.com

In recent years the rate of on-the-job deaths for all Hispanics has been 20 percent higher than for whites or blacks, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has found. The death rate for Hispanics in construction, an industry that has hired many immigrants in recent years, is even higher, occupational experts say.
 
Because the guy fixing the computer must be mute, deaf, and dumb because if he can't speaka english there's no other way he can communicate or understand to do his job that he knows quite well how to do and the computer will blow up.

Absolutely true. My old job outsourced their computer programmers to India, and they were VERY difficult to understand, and because I had to actually do the "fixing" myself, it made it very difficult for me.
 
A Nigerian cab driver who doesn't know English wont be able to function in any major city. Therefore he may go to the wrong place and put somebody at risk. A Chinese guy who only understands "numbers" wont know what health codes are and places everyone at the restaurant at risk.

I am not saying that your point is wrong but I think you are overselling that English isn't a critical skill in this country. To get anywhere advanced, English is a necessity.

It is a necessity, and I think anybody that doesn't learn English does so at their own peril. They should be free not to, however. Free to make a mind-bogglingly stupid decision.

I really think people are reading waaaaaaaaay too much into this ad. The point of the ad was of course, to sell more Coca-Cola. Is anybody really offended that someone who speaks a different language buys Coke instead of Pepsi? (Unless you work for Pepsi) Immigrant communities tend to use their own language amongst themselves, why is that bad? They always did, the difference being that when all those Poles came over to Buffalo and Chicago, there wasn't TV to sell them stuff.
 
A Nigerian cab driver who doesn't know English wont be able to function in any major city. Therefore he may go to the wrong place and put somebody at risk. A Chinese guy who only understands "numbers" wont know what health codes are and places everyone at the restaurant at risk. I am not saying that your point is wrong but I think you are overselling that English isn't a critical skill in this country. To get anywhere advanced, English is a necessity.

And I think you are overselling the need for English in the workplace. I haven't heard of any Nigerian cab drivers taking a fare to the wrong place, have heard many stories of English speaking NYC cab drivers taking first time tourists for a tour of NY before their hotel to pad the meter.

The Chinese guy who only understands numbers is your WAITER, not the cook. Sort of spitting into your food as payback for a snotty attitude there is little to fear health code wise. The cook doesn't need to understand english for that matter- what matters is his supervisor can read the health code and convey the information.

My take on you need english to advance is as your job skill set improves to be advance worthy, so too your mastery of our bastardized version of English will improve... :peace
 
So, as you can see by the links, not being able to communicate effectively with one another increases the risks of on-the-job accidents and deaths. I think it is unreasonable and illogical to expect all Americans to be bilingual or multilingual in order to appease illegal immigrants and their supporters. The logical thing is to have those immigrants have a compulsory understanding on how to read, write and speak in English, since that is the dominant language in our country.
 
:lamo That's funny. If you had been reading my links, you would see that they say the accident rate for all others has dropped EXCEPT for Hispanic speaking immigrants. And here's another link for you too.

Hispanic Workers Die at Higher Rate - NYTimes.com

Your article does point out the accident rate is higher but it also points out that is due to employers not providing as much training, safety, and better workplace environments for the Hispanic workers as they do for American born workers. So if you hire 10 people and provide the necessary steps to do the job to half of them and not the other half, which do you think will prosper in their job?
 
It is a necessity, and I think anybody that doesn't learn English does so at their own peril. They should be free not to, however. Free to make a mind-bogglingly stupid decision.

I really think people are reading waaaaaaaaay too much into this ad. The point of the ad was of course, to sell more Coca-Cola. Is anybody really offended that someone who speaks a different language buys Coke instead of Pepsi? (Unless you work for Pepsi) Immigrant communities tend to use their own language amongst themselves, why is that bad? They always did, the difference being that when all those Poles came over to Buffalo and Chicago, there wasn't TV to sell them stuff.

I have no issue with this. I just think they should know English as well. I enjoy the diversity we have in America too. It makes life much more interesting.
 
Your article does point out the accident rate is higher but it also points out that is due to employers not providing as much training, safety, and better workplace environments for the Hispanic workers as they do for American born workers. So if you hire 10 people and provide the necessary steps to do the job to half of them and not the other half, which do you think will prosper in their job?

That is not true. All union construction workers have to take OSHA classes. If the worker is not informed, it is because he/she did not understand because they do not speak or understand English.

Union construction workers cannot work unless they are OSHA certified.
 
I have no issue with this. I just think they should know English as well. I enjoy the diversity we have in America too. It makes life much more interesting.

I agree with you, I do think speaking English is important but it's also important to understand that not everyone will learn it right away and while they do so, they need help and probably a job too.

Do you want them to come here and just live off the government until they can speak Engilsh good enough or is it okay to start a job (even construction :)) and learn the language as well? While they may not be able to communicate and understand at first which may cause accidents, if you want them to learn it's a process and not an overnight one.
 
That is not true. All union construction workers have to take OSHA classes. If the worker is not informed, it is because he/she did not understand because they do not speak or understand English.

Union construction workers cannot work unless they are OSHA certified.

Alot of construction workers, roofers and drywall for example, are not union.
 
I agree with you, I do think speaking English is important but it's also important to understand that not everyone will learn it right away and while they do so, they need help and probably a job too.

Do you want them to come here and just live off the government until they can speak Engilsh good enough or is it okay to start a job (even construction :)) and learn the language as well? While they may not be able to communicate and understand at first which may cause accidents, if you want them to learn it's a process and not an overnight one.

I want them to follow proper procedure and have a basic understanding of English. That IS one of the requirement of citizenship after all, and it only makes good sense. It is not our job to cater to them. If they want to come here to work and earn money, that's fine. Do it properly and don't make yourself into a liability. That is just irresponsible and kind of ignorant too.
 
Alot of construction workers, roofers and drywall for example, are not union.

And those companies are usually very small companies that could not afford to cater to immigrants. They have to be able to understand instruction in English period. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
 
And those companies are usually very small companies that could not afford to cater to immigrants. They have to be able to understand instruction in English period. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Cheap labor much?

Yes, small companies are the ones mostly hiring immigrants, then subcontracting them to the other larger ones. It trickles down so they can all benefit from the cheap labor. They don't give a **** if the workers don't speak english or can't follow instructions. They want to reap all they can at a higher gain to them and a higher cost to all of us.
 
Cheap labor much?

Yes, small companies are the ones mostly hiring immigrants, then subcontracting them to the other larger ones. It trickles down so they can all benefit from the cheap labor. They don't give a **** if the workers don't speak english or can't follow instructions. They want to reap all they can at a higher gain to them and a higher cost to all of us.

Which is why it is in the best interest of the immigrant to not be ignorant. Being able to speak and understand the dominant language helps everyone.
 
Ummm that in America, people who came from across the world have a common thread and love for the new homeland?

Oh and have a Coke and a smile..... :2wave:

Indeed. And show that love by illustrating we don't want to communicate with each other. "E Pluribus, Separatum"

Now that's Progress. :2wave:
 
Americans are different than Europeans. We have been on an island for centuries, separated from the rest of the world by oceans without the ability to drive for a few hours and be in countries where they don't speak our native tongue. The need to be bi lingual is not as great in America. That's not the issue here though. The issue for many is that some foreigners come here with the intention of making money to send home and then return to their homeland in many cases. Some tax our social safety nets or come here to have children who are granted citizenship. They are called anchor babies and their existence is to make immigration easier for the rest of their families.

Some of us become a little sensitive about how our nation is used by people who don't assimilate. I'm not saying anything about the people in the video specifically but the video can be interpreted in many ways. Some see it as a sign of diversity, some see it as a sign of our nation being used in a manner which is unacceptable.

This has been going on for decades, though. Kinda makes you wonder why nothing has been done to change it, other than to provide amnesty for millions every other decade. Why don't you change your lex solis laws? Why don't you make English the only official language throughout the nation? Why is it so easy to just show up and get a house, a job, a drivers license etc... when you have no valid immigration papers? Why not create a system that requires employers, landlords etc.. to verify iimigrations status? Every time these solutions have been proposed your politicians have invariably argued against them on some dodgy constitutional grounds. It's all well and good to complain, but it's not like this is a new problem. It's been decades in the making and the only solution that is ever implemented is amnesty. :shrug:
 
This has been going on for decades, though. Kinda makes you wonder why nothing has been done to change it, other than to provide amnesty for millions every other decade. Why don't you change your lex solis laws? Why don't you make English the only official language throughout the nation? Why is it so easy to just show up and get a house, a job, a drivers license etc... when you have no valid immigration papers? Why not create a system that requires employers, landlords etc.. to verify iimigrations status? Every time these solutions have been proposed your politicians have invariably argued against them on some dodgy constitutional grounds. It's all well and good to complain, but it's not like this is a new problem. It's been decades in the making and the only solution that is ever implemented is amnesty. :shrug:

Because there are certain sectors of our population here in America that would call that bigotry, even if it is logical.
 
Indeed. And show that love by illustrating we don't want to communicate with each other. "E Pluribus, Separatum" Now that's Progress.

I don't think the average American can tilt their head to the right near enough to see the ad as promoting separation.

But I do think it is funny to hear CONs go on and on about togetherness when their current political philosophy is 'every man for himself' and "the devil take the hindmost'.
 
Because there are certain sectors of our population here in America that would call that bigotry, even if it is logical.

But that's not why these proposals have been rejected in the past. It was always some sort of constitutional issue, especially in regards to lex solis and the official national language.
 
This has been going on for decades, though. Kinda makes you wonder why nothing has been done to change it, other than to provide amnesty for millions every other decade. Why don't you change your lex solis laws? Why don't you make English the only official language throughout the nation? Why is it so easy to just show up and get a house, a job, a drivers license etc... when you have no valid immigration papers? Why not create a system that requires employers, landlords etc.. to verify iimigrations status? Every time these solutions have been proposed your politicians have invariably argued against them on some dodgy constitutional grounds. It's all well and good to complain, but it's not like this is a new problem. It's been decades in the making and the only solution that is ever implemented is amnesty. :shrug:

Amen Sister, immigration reform is stuck in congress. The problem is that big labor and big business want relaxed immigration laws. They want new union members and they want cheap labor. Many of the rest of us can't figure out why someone who snuck across the border should get special treatment from the government yet those who want to come here legally have to go through a long process. We don't know why we don't protect the border as our constitution instructs us to do. The situations you describe are a real problem. Now the Speaker of the House, a Republican, wants to push through immigration reform which by polling nobody considers the number one priority in a long list of work they could be doing. Our government is hopelessly lost and the only thing that will fix it is a clean sweep. All our congresscritters need to go, both Republican and Democrat, well, except the ones I like.
 
Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful?

it was an attempt at viral marketing that depends on popular public sentiment.

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my opinion on immigration, independent of soft drinks, is that most of us are immigrants and sons / daughters of immigrants. it's part of what makes the country cool.

that being said, i'm more of a diet rite man, but coke zero is decent. coke should go superhippy and switch back to glass bottles instead of plastic. i preferred the 16 oz glass to the plastic model. it was fun to return the bottles, and better for the environment.


 
Because there are certain sectors of our population here in America that would call that bigotry, even if it is logical.

And certain other sectors that will fight tooth and claw to keep the pool of cheap labour available.
 
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