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Woody Allen - Pedophile?

Woody Allen


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Here's an excellent, thoughtful and balanced take on the matter. It's about the only thing I've read that manages not to take sides, not condemn, but offer a convincing way of considering this case...

Between labelling Woody Allen a child molester or his daughter a liar, I feel utterly stuck | Victoria Coren | Comment is free | The Observer

It's a good article, but it touches on something that's had me somewhat irritated since Dylan's letter was published. The fact that she attempts to guilt trip everybody into shunning not only the man, but his work as well. She calls out actors, actresses, his father's former lover and life-long friend, as well as the people who enjoy his work. She makes everyone a part of what should ultimately be a very private matter. I understand that she's been hurting her entire life. I understand that Woody's success and Hollywood's choice to not give the abuse allegations too much credit doesn't sit well with her. I'm just not too impressed with the sort of emotional blackmail she engages in and I refuse to respond to it, sorry as I am for what she claims happened to her.
 
Woody Allen's adopted daughter accuses him of assaulting her at age 7 - CNN.com

Mia Farrow's daughter resurrects Woody Allen molestation claim | Fox News


So, what are your thoughts on Woody Allen?

Is he a pedophile?

Creepy bastard?

Harmless Peepaw?

Legendary director and actor?

Should legal action be taken immediately?

Granted that Allen is kind of creepy, the thing that makes me conclude that he's not a child abuser is that Dylan is supposedly his only victim. No other victims have come forward. Sorry, Woody haters, but real pedophiles don't just stop with one.
 
It's a good article, but it touches on something that's had me somewhat irritated since Dylan's letter was published. The fact that she attempts to guilt trip everybody into shunning not only the man, but his work as well. She calls out actors, actresses, his father's former lover and life-long friend, as well as the people who enjoy his work. She makes everyone a part of what should ultimately be a very private matter. I understand that she's been hurting her entire life. I understand that Woody's success and Hollywood's choice to not give the abuse allegations too much credit doesn't sit well with her. I'm just not too impressed with the sort of emotional blackmail she engages in and I refuse to respond to it, sorry as I am for what she claims happened to her.

I tend to agree. I'd certainly say that I err more on the side of leaving the past in the past and in keeping private matters in the private arena. She sounds to be still completely traumatised by what she believes happened to her 22 years ago and she wants public recognition for that hurt, which she isn't going to get, and would do her little good if she got it. I think both parents share the responsibility for what is clearly a very, very messed-up individual, but none of these protracted, public recriminations and denunciations of everyone who will not agree with her are going to a) change anyone's minds about what happened, everyone whose opinion matters made their minds up years ago; and b) convince anyone (except ChrisL) that she and her mother are behaving remotely rationally.
 
I tend to agree. I'd certainly say that I err more on the side of leaving the past in the past and in keeping private matters in the private arena. She sounds to be still completely traumatised by what she believes happened to her 22 years ago and she wants public recognition for that hurt, which she isn't going to get, and would do her little good if she got it. I think both parents share the responsibility for what is clearly a very, very messed-up individual, but none of these protracted, public recriminations and denunciations of everyone who will not agree with her are going to a) change anyone's minds about what happened, everyone whose opinion matters made their minds up years ago; and b) convince anyone (except ChrisL) that she and her mother are behaving remotely rationally.

Pretty much. And there's also the issue of why she's doing this now. Some people say she's got nothing to gain at all from this very public dirty laundry washing, but the truth is, as a writer, she actually gains a lot of publicity from it.
 
Doesn't surprise me one bit that we have people backing Allen. Poor Dylan. I feel so sorry for her. Her life has been ruined by that ugly dorky old douchebag. He shouldn't be allowed to be around children at all.
 
Pretty much. And there's also the issue of why she's doing this now. Some people say she's got nothing to gain at all from this very public dirty laundry washing, but the truth is, as a writer, she actually gains a lot of publicity from it.

OMG! That is a DISGUSTING accusation!!! Are you a dude?
 
Pretty much. And there's also the issue of why she's doing this now. Some people say she's got nothing to gain at all from this very public dirty laundry washing, but the truth is, as a writer, she actually gains a lot of publicity from it.

So, not only are you accusing her of making false allegations, but now you are saying that she is doing this for the publicity??!!! Unbelievable. Where do you heartless cold people come from anyway? Defending the adult rich male pedophile against the poor innocent child. For SHAME!
 
This thread is absolutely disgusting. We all know that the people who are defending that scumbag "Woody" are just fans of his, and because of that they are staunchly defending him against a child who accused him of rape!!! And then people WONDER why it's the least reported crime, and why there is such shame and stigma associated with it. THIS is the reason why rape victims and molestation victims feel victimized over and over again. People doubt them, accuse them of being liars, accuse them of being crazy, accuse them of not being able to trust their own memories.

As far as I'm aware, DYLAN has never done anything wrong, and Dylan doesn't have any kind of mental deficiencies.
 
Chris, I think you're a lovely person, but I can't have a conversation with someone who's so emotional about the matter. I understand you have a close friend who's been through actual abuse and that it's probably natural for you to take Dylan's side. I'm ready to respond to you once you've calmed down a little bit. :)
 
Chris, I think you're a lovely person, but I can't have a conversation with someone who's so emotional about the matter. I understand you have a close friend who's been through actual abuse and that it's probably natural for you to take Dylan's side. I'm ready to respond to you once you've calmed down a little bit. :)

I think it is despicable to say "we can't accuse him" because there isn't enough evidence, yet to accuse the alleged "victim" of lying or just bringing it up to sell books.
 
I'm ready to respond to you once you've calmed down a little bit. :)

You may be waiting some time. I'm not sure what is prompting people to wholly identify with one party, or another. Unless they are intimate friends, I can't see how anyone can KNOW what anyone involved in this is feeling, what they actually did or had done to them 22 years ago, or what their motivation might be for what they are doing right now. We can only speculate, and I think a more balanced, nuanced approach is the most sensible one.

Screaming 'he's a paedophile!' repeatedly does not make it so.
 
Granted that Allen is kind of creepy, the thing that makes me conclude that he's not a child abuser is that Dylan is supposedly his only victim. No other victims have come forward. Sorry, Woody haters, but real pedophiles don't just stop with one.

That is NOT true at all. Obviously you don't know about pedophilia. Look at the case of Jacey Dugard. There are MANY cases of pedophilia where there is only ONE victim.
 
Some men develop a sick obsession with a child, and that child becomes the obsession. These are the instances where there is usually only one victim.
 
That is NOT true at all. Obviously you don't know about pedophilia. Look at the case of Jacey Dugard. There are MANY cases of pedophilia where there is only ONE victim.

Dugard was not Garrido's only victim.
 
You may be waiting some time. I'm not sure what is prompting people to wholly identify with one party, or another. Unless they are intimate friends, I can't see how anyone can KNOW what anyone involved in this is feeling, what they actually did or had done to them 22 years ago, or what their motivation might be for what they are doing right now. We can only speculate, and I think a more balanced, nuanced approach is the most sensible one.

Screaming 'he's a paedophile!' repeatedly does not make it so.

That's been my position since Dylan's letter came out. As I've said before in this thread, I have little doubt that she's telling the truth as she believes it happened. Woody denies there was ever any abuse. There's simply no way to know and the accusations are too severe and destructive for me to take a definite side. I just wish she hadn't resorted to calling out people by name in her letter in an attempt to shame them. Anything else I've said in this thread is pure speculation.
 
That is NOT true at all. Obviously you don't know about pedophilia. Look at the case of Jacey Dugard. There are MANY cases of pedophilia where there is only ONE victim.

Then there are probably a lot of men who have been falsely convicted of it or falsely accused of it. But then I'm sure you are certain that there is no such thing as a man falsely accused of a sex crime.
 
That's been my position since Dylan's letter came out. As I've said before in this thread, I have little doubt that she's telling the truth as she believes it happened. Woody denies there was ever any abuse. There's simply no way to know and the accusations are too severe and destructive for me to take a definite side. I just wish she hadn't resorted to calling out people by name in her letter in an attempt to shame them. Anything else I've said in this thread is pure speculation.

Why? Why shouldn't she shame them? She has to live with the shame for the rest of her life. The people who are responsible, since they cannot be prosecuted, can share her shame as far as I'm concerned.
 
Then there are probably a lot of men who have been falsely convicted of it or falsely accused of it. But then I'm sure you are certain that there is no such thing as a man falsely accused of a sex crime.

Whatever. There are MANY cases where a victim (a child) was kidnapped and repeated tortured and abused. There are parents who have done this to their own child too. Take the case of the girl who was held captive in the basement of her own home right under her mother's nose by her own biological father where she was raped and actually had like 3 or 4 children from him.
 
I think it is despicable to say "we can't accuse him" because there isn't enough evidence, yet to accuse the alleged "victim" of lying or just bringing it up to sell books.

I never accused anyone of lying in this thread. :shrug:

As for why she's doing this so openly, this is after all a very private family matter or at least it should be, I was only speculating.
 
I never accused anyone of lying in this thread. :shrug:

As for why she's doing this so openly, this is after all a very private family matter or at least it should be, I was only speculating.

Probably because she's angry? She knows he'll never be prosecuted. How would you feel?
 
You may be waiting some time. I'm not sure what is prompting people to wholly identify with one party, or another. Unless they are intimate friends, I can't see how anyone can KNOW what anyone involved in this is feeling, what they actually did or had done to them 22 years ago, or what their motivation might be for what they are doing right now. We can only speculate, and I think a more balanced, nuanced approach is the most sensible one.

Screaming 'he's a paedophile!' repeatedly does not make it so.

No, it doesn't.

Have you skimmed the 1992 court document I posted on the preceding page, though, and what the French tutor or babysitter (can't remember which) saw Woody Allen doing? What the then-child Dylan said he was doing?
 
Why? Why shouldn't she shame them? She has to live with the shame for the rest of her life. The people who are responsible, since they cannot be prosecuted, can share her shame as far as I'm concerned.

Really? Scarlett Johanssen? Emma Stone? Diane Keaton? Alec Baldwin? LouisCK? Cate Blanchett? They're all responsible for what happened to her? All they've done is work with Allen. I thought her letter was really good, until that last paragraph. That was totally uncalled for and unnecessary.
 
No, it doesn't.

Have you skimmed the 1992 court document I posted on the preceding page, though, and what the French tutor or babysitter (can't remember which) saw Woody Allen doing? What the then-child Dylan said he was doing?

I read it and what she saw was not sexual abuse.
 
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