Woody Allen - Pedophile?

ChrisL said:

Hmmm. No one finds it odd that the ONE child he was not interested in at all is the one he married? Lol! So she just comes home from college, and he suddenly finds her interesting, takes some pornographic pictures of her while still "being" with her adopted mother, has an affair with her and then marries her. This does not add up.

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You are making stuff up. Earlier, I posted a quote from the court decision stating that Woody had shown no interest in Soon-Yi as a child, and he only started paying attention to her when Mia insisted that he do so, which was when she returned home from school at age 18. He began taking her to basketball games, etc, and the rest is history

Others have also posted the same info. Why are you ignoring it and just making stuff up to fit your beliefs?

ChrisL said:

It most certainly means nothing of the sort. And exactly WHAT evidence would you think there is to prove such a thing? Please be detailed.

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In our system you don't prove innocence. You prove guilt.

I'm not going to go around and around with you on this. If you choose to believe that despite there not being enough evidence to warrant empaneling a grand jury he is guilty you are certainly entitled to. If want to believe that the lack of
evidence somehow increases the probably of his guilt you are entitled to. I disagree, New York State disagrees.

He may well have done something but lacking any evidence to the contrary I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. And as I said given the lack of an indictment after a lengthy investigation by a number of people I'd be willing to bet a week's salary that nothing happened.

sangha said:

ALLEN v. FARROW | Leagle.com
From the court's decision:

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Wow, thanks for posting that. There is a BOMBSHELL of information in this decision and REALLY shows what a sicko this guy is.

In January of 1992, Mr. Allen took the photographs of Ms. Previn, which were discovered on the mantelpiece in his apartment by Ms. Farrow and were introduced into evidence at the IAS proceeding. Mr. Allen in his trial testimony stated that he took the photos at Ms. Previn's suggestion and that he considered them erotic and not pornographic. We have viewed the photographs and do not share Mr. Allen's characterization of them. We find the fact that Mr. Allen took them at a time when he was formally assuming a legal responsibility for two of Ms. Previn's siblings to be totally unacceptable. The distinction Mr. Allen makes between Ms. Farrow's other children and Dylan, Satchel and Moses is lost on this Court. The children themselves do not draw the same distinction that Mr. Allen does. This is sadly demonstrated by the profound effect his relationship with Ms. Previn has had on the entire family. Allen's testimony that the photographs of Ms. Previn "were taken, as I said before, between two consenting adults wanting to do this" demonstrates a chosen ignorance of his and Ms. Previn's relationships to Ms. Farrow, his three children and Ms. Previn's other siblings. His continuation of the relationship, viewed in the best possible light, shows a distinct absence of judgment. It demonstrates to this Court Mr. Allen's tendency to place inappropriate emphasis on his own wants and needs and to minimize and even ignore those of his children. At the very minimum, it demonstrates an absence of any parenting skills.

We recognize Mr. Allen's acknowledgment of the pain his relationship with Ms. Previn has caused the family. We also [197 A.D.2d 332] note his testimony that he tried to insulate the rest of the family from the "dispute" that resulted, and tried to "deescalate the situation" by attempting to "placate" Ms. Farrow. It is true that Ms. Farrow's failure to conceal her feelings from the rest of the family and the acting out of her feelings of betrayal and anger toward Mr. Allen enhanced the effect of the situation on the rest of her family. We note though that the reasons for her behavior, however prolonged and extreme, are clearly visible in the record. On the other hand the record contains no acceptable explanation for Allen's commencement of the sexual relationship with Ms. Previn at the time he was adopting Moses and Satchel, or for the continuation of that relationship at the time he was supposedly experiencing the joys of fatherhood.

While the petitioner's testimony regarding his attempts to de-escalate the dispute and to insulate the family from it, displays a measure of concern for his three children, it is clear that he should have realized the inevitable consequences of his actions well before his relationship with Ms. Previn became intimate. Allen's various inconsistent statements to Farrow of his intentions regarding Ms. Previn and his attempt to have Dr. Schultz explain the relationship to Dylan in such a manner as to exonerate himself from any wrong doing, make it difficult for this Court to find that his expressed concern for the welfare of the family is genuine.

As we noted above, Mr. Allen maintains that Ms. Farrow's allegations concerning the sexual abuse of Dylan were fabricated by Ms. Farrow both as a result of her rage over his relationship with Ms. Previn and as part of her continued plan to alienate him from his children. However, our review of the record militates against a finding that Ms. Farrow fabricated the allegations without any basis. Unlike the court at IAS, we do not consider the conclusions reached by Doctors Coates and Schultz and by the Yale-New Haven team, to be totally unpersuasive.

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There's more too. Fascinating dysfunctional family.

Gaius46 said:

In our system you don't prove innocence. You prove guilt.

I'm not going to go around and around with you on this. If you choose to believe that despite there not being enough evidence to warrant empaneling a grand jury he is guilty you are certainly entitled to. If want to believe that the lack of evidence somehow increases the probably of his guilt you are entitled to. I disagree, New York State disagrees.

He may well have done something but lacking any evidence to the contrary I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. And as I said given the lack of an indictment after a lengthy investigation by a number of people I'd be willing to bet a week's salary that nothing happened.

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The part that I put in bold is how I feel. From everything I've read and seen, I think he did it and there just isn't enough evidence (unfortunately) for an actual trial.

Dylan is an adult now, still says it happened, and has nothing to gain with these allegations, and in fact, making such public statements about such things would tend to alienate her, and I'm sure she's aware of this. It seems to me that Dylan is suffering a lot.

ChrisL said:

Wow, thanks for posting that. There is a BOMBSHELL of information in this decision and REALLY shows what a sicko this guy is.



There's more too. Fascinating dysfunctional family.

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Yes, it was a dysfunctional family, but I saw nothing that justifies calling Woody a "sicko"

sangha said:

Yes, it was a dysfunctional family, but I saw nothing that justifies calling Woody a "sicko"

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Well I sure do. The guy is completely deranged and disgusting.

ChrisL said:

Well I sure do. The guy is completely deranged and disgusting.

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You know (actually, you probably don't) coming up with a list of adjectives doesn't make you sound smarter. Quite the opposite

Posting something factual to support your extreme position might make it sound more intelligent. However, you can't do that because you got nothing more to offer.

sangha said:

You know (actually, you probably don't) coming up with a list of adjectives doesn't make you sound smarter. Quite the opposite

Posting something factual to support your extreme position might make it sound more intelligent. However, you can't do that because you got nothing more to offer.

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Now, now, there is no need to resort to personal insults. I see that you're getting rather emotional about your lover Woody.

ChrisL said:

Now, now, there is no need to resort to personal insults. I see that you're getting rather emotional about your lover Woody.

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I said nothing about your character. No personal insults, but when one gets backed into a corner the way you have, one often tries to paint the reasonable people as being emotional to hide their own poor grasp of the facts.

sangha said:

I said nothing about your character. No personal insults, but when one gets backed into a corner the way you have, one often tries to paint the reasonable people as being emotional to hide their own poor grasp of the facts.

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I'm not backed into a corner at all. I find this all quite interesting. I'm just giving my opinion that I think he molested Dylan and Soon-Yi. Of course, no one said you had to like it, and no one said I had to care if you don't.

sawdust said:

I just read the letter written by Dylan Farrow about her childhood with Woody Allen. He needs to be castrated, his balls put in his mouth and then hung.

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I'm with you, until you said 'hung'. Way too easy. He should be put in general population prison and raped daily.

ChrisL said:

I'm not backed into a corner at all. I find this all quite interesting. I'm just giving my opinion that I think he molested Dylan and Soon-Yi. Of course, no one said you had to like it, and no one said I had to care if you don't.

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I know the news is hard to take Chris, but it's not possible to hide a fail as big as yours.

sangha said:

I know the news is hard to take Chris, but it's not possible to hide a fail as big as yours.

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Whatever. The bottom line is inconclusive evidence does not equate to a person's innocence, especially when that evidence is most of the time nonexistent. I can completely understand the reason behind Ms. Farrow's "meltdowns" now, especially after reading your link (thank you very much BTW, again :mrgreen which really highlights what a disturbed individual this man really is. I think any woman in that situation would be a little loopy, but the person who I feel sorry for the most here is Dylan. She has to live with this for the rest of her life and she will probably never see justice. The poor girl.

ChrisL said:

Now, now, there is no need to resort to personal insults. I see that you're getting rather emotional about your lover Woody.

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You don't consider calling a man another mans lover a personal insult?

ChrisL said:

Whatever. The bottom line is inconclusive evidence does not equate to a person's innocence

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That is true. We will never know for sure that you have never molested a child.

ChrisL said:

It is unusual actually.

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Anecdotally it isn't that uncommon.

" According to these official figures, the number of reports of child abuse have skyrocketed — from 675,000 reports m 1974 to 1.6 million in 1985, a staggering increase (Besharov, 1985). ........

Though the number of abuse reports has indeed sky-rocketed, so have the percentage of unfounded reports. These writers now tell us of a second epidemic, that of false reports, a problem which in their view is as damaging as abuse itself (Wakefield & Underwager, 1988).


.....Legal experts such as Douglas Besharov, the first director for National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, tells us that the percentage of unfounded reports in 1985 reached 65%, as opposed to 35% ten years ago (Besharov, 1985). Practicing attorneys Gordon (1985) and Herzog (1986) have expressed vigorous concerns over the growing legal trends which have stretched the rules of evidence precariously thin. Over the past two years there has also been an explosion of articles on the problem of false reports. Social work specialists like Schultz (1985) as well as psychological and psychiatric experts have responded. Coleman (1986), Green (1986), and Gardner (1987), among many others, are also warning about the dangers facing the clinician as a result of the "epidemic" of false reports....
IPT Journal - "The Phenomenon of Child Abuse Hysteria as a Social Syndrome: The Case for a New Kind of Expert Testimony"

Gipper said:

Tell me about it. There are a few too many here guided totally on emotion and not at all by logic or rationality.

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I found on the web the archive article, dated May 4, 1993, posted at the New York Times about the findings of the doctor who headed the Connecticut investigation into whether Woody Allen molested his 7-year-old daughter.


And I quote from the article
"Dr. John M. Leventhal, who interviewed Dylan nine times, said that one reason he doubted her story was that she changed important points from one interview to another, like whether Mr. Allen touched her vagina. Another reason, he said, was that the child's accounts had "a rehearsed quality." At one point, he said she told him, "I like to cheat on my stories." "

"Dr. Leventhal said: "We had two hypotheses: one, that these were statements that were made by an emotionally disturbed child and then became fixed in her mind. And the other hypothesis was that she was coached or influenced by her mother. We did not come to a firm conclusion. We think that it was probably a combination."

Now the rest of the article

Dr. Leventhal's remarks were part of a sworn statement made on April 20 and entered into evidence in Mr. Allen's lawsuit to gain custody of Dylan and the couple's two other children. A transcript of the statement was made public yesterday, after editing by both sides to remove some of the most sensitive material.

The custody trial will conclude this week, with closing arguments beginning today.

Dr. Leventhal headed the hospital team that was asked by the Connecticut State Police to investigate the claim that Mr. Allen molested Dylan last August at Miss Farrow's summer home in Connecticut. The team told Mr. Allen and Miss Farrow on March 18 that it had concluded that Dylan was not molested, but the transcript gives the first look at the thinking behind that finding.

Dylan's statements in interviews at the hospital contradicted each other and the story she told on a videotape made by Miss Farrow, Dr. Leventhal said. "Those were not minor inconsistencies," he said. "She told us initially that she hadn't been touched in the vaginal area, and she then told us that she had, then she told us that she hadn't." 'Intense Relationship'

The doctor suggested a connection between Miss Farrow's outrage over Mr. Allen's affair with her adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Farrow Previn, and the accusation made by Dylan, who he said was unusually protective of her mother. "It's quite possible -- as a matter of fact, we think it's medically probable -- that she stuck to that story over time because of the intense relationship she had with her mother," he said.

Even before the claim of abuse was made last August, he said, "The view of Mr. Allen as an evil and awful and terrible man permeated the household. The view that he had molested Soon-Yi and was a potential molester of Dylan permeated the household."

Dr. Leventhal said it was "very striking" that each time Dylan spoke of the abuse, she coupled it with "one, her father's relationship with Soon-Yi, and two, the fact that it was her poor mother, her poor mother," who had lost a career in Mr. Allen's films.He also said it was possible that Miss Farrow encouraged her child to fabricate simply by videotaping her telling the story, because Dylan liked to perform.

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When you consider the timing of this latest resurrection of abuse claims through the behavior of Mia Farrow and son Rowan's twittering over Woody Allen's latest film being nominated and for his lifetime achievement award, and then a few days later Dylan's open letter telling of her abuse while she takes a shot at all the big stars in past Allen films and couple it with what the doctor's findings were, it's rather revealing.

Doctor Cites Inconsistencies In Dylan Farrow's Statements - NYTimes.com

"....False accusations of sexual abuse are also increasing although there is disagreement as to the frequency and nature of false claims. However, many professionals believe that false accusations have become a serious problem in vindictive and angry divorce and custody battles. Consequently, such false accusations have received much publicity and there have been many articles about this in the literature (Ash, 1985; Benedek & Schetky, 1985a & b; Bishop & Johnson, 1987a & b; Blush & Ross, 1987; Brant & Sink, 1984; Bresee, Stearns, Bess, & Packer, 1986; Dwyer, 1986; Ekman, 1989; Ferguson, D., 1988; Gardner, 1986 & 1987a; Goldzband & Renshaw, undated; Gordon, 1985; Green, 1986; Green & Schetky, 1988; Hindmarch, 1990; Jones & Seig, 1988; Levine, 1986; Levy, 1989; MacFarlane, 1986; Murphy, 1987; Ross & Blush, 1990; Schaefer & Guyer, 1988; Schuman, 1986; Sink, 1988b; Spiegel, 1986; Thoennes and Pearson (1988a & b); Underwager & Wakefield, 1989; Wakefield & Underwager, 1988; Wakefield & Underwager, 1989; Yates & Musty, 1988).

It is difficult to determine just how often sexual abuse accusations occur in custody and visitation disputes. Theonnes and her colleagues (Thoennes & Pearson 1988a & b; Thoennes & Tjaden, 1990) attempted to get information on the incidence and validity of sexual abuse allegations in divorce and custody cases. They gathered information through telephone interviews and mail surveys from 290 court administrators, judges, custody mediators, and child protection workers throughout the United States. They then conducted 70 in-depth interviews at five sites, and then finally tracked cases of sexual abuse allegations over a six month period from eleven court systems. This latter procedure yielded a pool of 160 cases of sexual abuse allegations.

They report that the initial survey and interviews at the five sites revealed a general consensus that sexual abuse allegations in custody disputes occur in "a small but growing" number of cases (Theonnes & Pearson, 1988a). They estimate that accusations of sexual abuse are found in approximately 2% of contested custody cases (the range across court sites was 1% to 8%). They state that there are approximately one million divorces annually, and of these, about 55% or 550,000 involve minor children. About 15% of these (82,500) result in court involvement due to custody and/or visitation disputes. Their estimate of 2% sexual abuse accusations in 82,500 custody disputes translates into 1,650 cases of sexual abuse accusations annually within the environment of a divorce/custody dispute.

We suspect that this estimate is too low. In addition to nearly 200 cases of sexual abuse allegations in divorce and/or custody disputes in which we have been formally involved, we have informally consulted on many more. We receive two or three calls or letters every week. When presenting this topic at a poster session at the American Psychological Society in June, 1990, three psychologists stopped to talk to us about similar cases. One reported having recently dealt with such a case, another reported a close friend who had this happen, and a third told us that she herself had been falsely accused by her former husband in a nasty custody battle.

Our own experiences cannot be used to estimate a nationwide frequency. Nevertheless, the large number of cases being seen by us and by others who have communicated with us suggests that the actual frequency may be higher than Theonnes and Pearson's estimate. For example, many matrimonial attorneys report that they are now handling more custody cases with sexual abuse allegations (Fisk, 1989).

There is not agreement as to how many of these cases turn out to be false, although most of the estimates range from one-third to four-fifths. Thoennes and her colleagues report that in 33% of the cases in their survey, no abuse was believed to have occurred. Abuse was believed likely in 50% and in 17% no determination could be reached (Thoennes & Pearson 1988a & b; Thoennes & Tjaden, 1990). However, the decision as to whether the abuse was factual was made by custody evaluators and child protection workers rather than by the justice system.

Most professionals believe that the proportion of false allegations of child sexual abuse is highest in divorce and custody disputes. Out of approximately 500 cases in which we have provided expert consultation in the past six years involving sexual abuse accusations, 40% were divorce and custody cases. Of these divorce and custody cases that have been adjudicated, for three-fourths there was no determination of abuse by the legal system. That is, charges were dropped or never filed or the person was acquitted in criminal court, or there was no finding of abuse in family court.

Dwyer (1986) reports similar statistics. She states that 77% of the divorce-linked allegations of sex abuse cases coming to the Human Sexuality Program at the University of Minnesota have turned out to be "hoax" cases. This was based upon the opinion reached by the agency staff that the allegations were not accurate..."
IPT Journal - "Personality Characteristics of Parents Making False Accusations of Sexual Abuse in Custody Disputes"

"...In many cases allegations of child sexual abuse occur in a nasty divorce made nastier by a custody fight. It is now so common that it has received scholarly attention and its own acronym, S.A.I.D. (Sexual Allegations in Divorce). The consensus is that in "S.A.I.D. syndrome" cases the number of such allegations increased so rapidly — up from 7 to 30% in the eighties — that one scholarly team called it an "explosion." Others, noting how often the guilt of the accused was assumed, used the word "hysteria" and searched for analogies in the Salem and the McCarthy witch hunts (Stein, 1992).

Another consensus is being reached: that the majority of these allegations are false. Melvin Guyer, Professor of Psychology at the University of Michigan, reports that "in highly contested custody cases where the allegation is made, a number of researchers have found the allegations to be false or unsubstantiated in anywhere from 60 to 80% of those cases " (Felten, 1991). Another investigative team stated that of 200 cases they studied" about three-fourths have ultimately been adjudicated as no abuse" (Felten, 1991). Some studies have come in with a lower but still significant estimate. For example, a 1988 study by the Association of Family and Conciliation Courts said that sexual molestation charges in divorces are probably false one-third of the time (Dvorchak, 1992).

Allegations of child abuse, both divorce related and in general, are flying out so frequently that those who believe themselves victimized by false charges have organized a nationwide support group, VOCAL (Victims Of Child Abuse Laws), which now includes 80 local chapters. This group refers its members to both informal and professional counsel, sends out a newsletter, and offers access to a rapidly expanding data base. In 1989, its summary of relevant statistics cited 23 studies which reported findings on both sexual and non-sexual child abuse. Among these, the lowest assessment of false allegation was 35%, the highest 82%, averaging at 66%..."
IPT Journal - "Believe Her! The Woman Never Lies Myth"

Hard Truth said:

"...In many cases allegations of child sexual abuse occur in a nasty divorce made nastier by a custody fight. It is now so common that it has received scholarly attention and its own acronym, S.A.I.D. (Sexual Allegations in Divorce). The consensus is that in "S.A.I.D. syndrome" cases the number of such allegations increased so rapidly — up from 7 to 30% in the eighties — that one scholarly team called it an "explosion." Others, noting how often the guilt of the accused was assumed, used the word "hysteria" and searched for analogies in the Salem and the McCarthy witch hunts (Stein, 1992).

Another consensus is being reached: that the majority of these allegations are false. Melvin Guyer, Professor of Psychology at the University of Michigan, reports that "in highly contested custody cases where the allegation is made, a number of researchers have found the allegations to be false or unsubstantiated in anywhere from 60 to 80% of those cases " (Felten, 1991). Another investigative team stated that of 200 cases they studied" about three-fourths have ultimately been adjudicated as no abuse" (Felten, 1991). Some studies have come in with a lower but still significant estimate. For example, a 1988 study by the Association of Family and Conciliation Courts said that sexual molestation charges in divorces are probably false one-third of the time (Dvorchak, 1992).

Allegations of child abuse, both divorce related and in general, are flying out so frequently that those who believe themselves victimized by false charges have organized a nationwide support group, VOCAL (Victims Of Child Abuse Laws), which now includes 80 local chapters. This group refers its members to both informal and professional counsel, sends out a newsletter, and offers access to a rapidly expanding data base. In 1989, its summary of relevant statistics cited 23 studies which reported findings on both sexual and non-sexual child abuse. Among these, the lowest assessment of false allegation was 35%, the highest 82%, averaging at 66%..."
IPT Journal - "Believe Her! The Woman Never Lies Myth"

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Interesting. I also find it interesting that the article that says that child abuse is most likely to happen in single mother households. I really have a hard time believing that MOST cases are false allegations. Do you really believe that?

ChrisL said:

It is unusual actually.

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Source evidence for this claim?

Andalublue said:

I've never claimed he's 'a regular dude'. He, and Farrow, are equally weird, but weird isn't criminal, isn't paedophile and is none of our business.

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None of our business. Really? That's your argument? That seems like flat-out apologism.

ecofarm said:

None of our business. Really? That's your argument? That seems like flat-out apologism.

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If they're not breaking the law, whose business is it the way someone conducts their private life?

Andalublue said:

If they're not breaking the law, whose business is it the way someone conducts their private life?

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ecofarm said:

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Yup, that's exactly the kind of person who emotes about the lives of others.