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Woody Allen - Pedophile?

Woody Allen

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NoC_T said:
I just think he's a bit of a weirdo, not a charlie chester. Without the most damning evidence, it's a hell of a thing to accuse someone of.
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It's also a hell of a thing to tell a victim we don't believe you/we don't care because you were too young to catch him on video. When a child is molested, who controls the situation? The molester or the child? Attitudes like what I'm seeing in this thread is one of the reasons kids don't speak out. It's sad.
 
X Factor said:
It's also a hell of a thing to tell a victim we don't believe you/we don't care because you were too young to catch him on video. When a child is molested, who controls the situation? The molester or the child? Attitudes like what I'm seeing in this thread is one of the reasons kids don't speak out. It's sad.
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Accusing someone of being a paedophile is possibly the worst thing anyone can be accused of in modern society, worse than a murderer, perhaps on a par with a psychopath. If you're going to accuse someone of that, you'd better be 110% certain of the facts before laying the accusation. One may believe or not believe the uncorroborated testimony of a single victim, but that in itself is probably insufficient for many, if not most, accusations of serious criminal activity.
 
X Factor said:
It's also a hell of a thing to tell a victim we don't believe you/we don't care because you were too young to catch him on video.
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Who's saying that? Certainly not me. That's an outrageous suggestion.

When a child is molested, who controls the situation? The molester or the child? Attitudes like what I'm seeing in this thread is one of the reasons kids don't speak out. It's sad.
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But we're not discussing a victim's capacity for self-defence.
 
What troubles me about these allegations
1. These allegations didn't arise until after Allen filed for custody of his two adopted children and Rowan who we all assumed was Woody Allen's biological son until last year Mia claimed in a Vanity Fair article that Rowan could very well be the son of Frank Sinatra. Nancy Sinatra has pretty much stated so. Also after Mia Farrow discovered her 20 year old adopted daughter and Allen were having an affair, Mia Farrow still continued to work on Allen's film Hannah and her Sisters and continue to see him for dinner according to the nannies.
2. Through testimonies of the nannies it was their opinion that the child had been coerced into making such claims. She was 7 years old. The day the alleged molesting occurred, the nanny on duty gave testimony that the child was not out of her sight for 5 minutes during her visitation with Allen and she never saw the child without her underpants. One of Allen/Farrows adopted sons, Moses from the time he was 15 to to this day uses the word "brainwashed" to described what happen to his adopted sister.
3. I don't think most people are aware that the child went through 8 different evaluations and all the professionals concluded there was no evidence the child had been molested.

Now if you can make an undeniable claim that someone molested a child with that type of evidence/testimony then I hope you never serve on a jury.
 
vesper said:
What troubles me about these allegations
1. These allegations didn't arise until after Allen filed for custody of his two adopted children and Rowan who we all assumed was Woody Allen's biological son until last year Mia claimed in a Vanity Fair article that Rowan could very well be the son of Frank Sinatra. Nancy Sinatra has pretty much stated so. Also after Mia Farrow discovered her 20 year old adopted daughter and Allen were having an affair, Mia Farrow still continued to work on Allen's film Hannah and her Sisters and continue to see him for dinner according to the nannies.
2. Through testimonies of the nannies it was their opinion that the child had been coerced into making such claims. She was 7 years old. The day the alleged molesting occurred, the nanny on duty gave testimony that the child was not out of her sight for 5 minutes during her visitation with Allen and she never saw the child without her underpants. One of Allen/Farrows adopted sons, Moses from the time he was 15 to to this day uses the word "brainwashed" to described what happen to his adopted sister.
3. I don't think most people are aware that the child went through 8 different evaluations and all the professionals concluded there was no evidence the child had been molested.

Now if you can make an undeniable claim that someone molested a child with that type of evidence/testimony then I hope you never serve on a jury.
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Interesting, I would like a link to support these claims please.
 
ChrisL said:
Interesting, I would like a link to support these claims please.
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Links have already been posted for the first two items, and while no links have been posted that show 8 evaluations, links have been posted that showed that some professionals concluded that there was no evidence of molestation, and not one link has been posted of a professional concluding that she had been molested. In fact, I think you posted a link which concluded there was no molestation.
 
sangha said:
Links have already been posted for the first two items, and while no links have been posted that show 8 evaluations, links have been posted that showed that some professionals concluded that there was no evidence of molestation, and not one link has been posted of a professional concluding that she had been molested. In fact, I think you posted a link which concluded there was no molestation.
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Inconclusive is different. How could you say with certainty she had not been molested? You cannot. Just because the testing was inconclusive does not mean it didn't happen. Like I've said, it is the most difficult crime to prove. I still believe the girl's story. It makes complete sense, she is an adult now, she claims she has clear memories and that her mother did not coach her. Her brother (who is Allen's biological son) backs her claims and supports them completely.

I also posted a link that said Woody Allen was already seeing a psychiatrist for inappropriate behavior with Dylan before the allegations of the affair with Soon-Yi were known.
 
NoC_T said:
Who's saying that? Certainly not me. That's an outrageous suggestion.


But we're not discussing a victim's capacity for self-defence.
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It is the doubt cast upon them, people calling them liars, looking down upon them. All of these things victimize a victim even further and makes them hesitant to report it. Molestation and rape are the LEAST reported crimes because of the shame and stigma involved.
 
Andalublue said:
I guess you're right, he seems to go for women exclusively in the 18-35-year-old age bracket. That must make him some kind of pervert.
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Not many people have married three teenagers, and a woman of age without spending a night together. Even fewer have adopted a wife. Pretending he's a regular dude is stupid. People are not blind.


Andalublue said:
I'm not fine with it, but I don't pretend it's something it's not. Culpable homicide is not murder. Shoplifting is not armed robbery. Ephebophilia is not paedophilia.
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You do not call collateral damage murder?
 
sangha said:
Links have already been posted for the first two items, and while no links have been posted that show 8 evaluations, links have been posted that showed that some professionals concluded that there was no evidence of molestation, and not one link has been posted of a professional concluding that she had been molested. In fact, I think you posted a link which concluded there was no molestation.
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ChrisL said:
Interesting, I would like a link to support these claims please.
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There are numerous articles on the web covering the story during the ugly custody battle. A lot of folks confuse the ugly custody battle with Allen being charged as a sex offender believe it or not. Allen was never charged because there was no evidence to support doing so. The little girl underwent several evaluations and none produced such evidence. Surely if something was discovered, the man would have been charged. The only so called evidence that was brought forth was a video that Mia Farrow made asking her daughter questions, "What did Daddy do to you"....."Then what did he do?". The tape started and stopped throughout. Even one of the nannies in an affidavit stated that the child wasn't interested in making the film and seemed like she was being coached what to say by her mother. Even those that know Allen personally are well aware of his claustrophobia and when they read the account given that the molestation occurred in a closet like attic, they said "No Way"! Last night on Kelly's Files she even brought up the numerous times the child had been seen by professionals and no evidence was found to support the claim. I believe she stated 7-8 times. So the evidence that shoots down these allegations comes from several different sources. From Farrow's on memoirs, book written by a former nanny, news articles covering the story, affidavits taken from nannies. Too much there for me to simply say he is guilty of such a thing.
 
vesper said:
There are numerous articles on the web covering the story during the ugly custody battle. A lot of folks confuse the ugly custody battle with Allen being charged as a sex offender believe it or not. Allen was never charged because there was no evidence to support doing so. The little girl underwent several evaluations and none produced such evidence. Surely if something was discovered, the man would have been charged. The only so called evidence that was brought forth was a video that Mia Farrow made asking her daughter questions, "What did Daddy do to you"....."Then what did he do?". The tape started and stopped throughout. Even one of the nannies in an affidavit stated that the child wasn't interested in making the film and seemed like she was being coached what to say by her mother. Even those that know Allen personally are well aware of his claustrophobia and when they read the account given that the molestation occurred in a closet like attic, they said "No Way"! Last night on Kelly's Files she even brought up the numerous times the child had been seen by professionals and no evidence was found to support the claim. I believe she stated 7-8 times. So the evidence that shoots down these allegations comes from several different sources. From Farrow's on memoirs, book written by a former nanny, news articles covering the story, affidavits taken from nannies. Too much there for me to simply say he is guilty of such a thing.
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Well, I would need links to see what you're talking about for myself. I mean, you can just make claims here, but if you want to be taken seriously you should have some links available to back them up. For all I know, you could be making things up.
 
ChrisL said:
Inconclusive is different. How could you say with certainty she had not been molested? You cannot. Just because the testing was inconclusive does not mean it didn't happen. Like I've said, it is the most difficult crime to prove. I still believe the girl's story. It makes complete sense, she is an adult now, she claims she has clear memories and that her mother did not coach her. Her brother (who is Allen's biological son) backs her claims and supports them completely.
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You've got it bass-ackwards. Claims like this need substantiation, and you have none


I also posted a link that said Woody Allen was already seeing a psychiatrist for inappropriate behavior with Dylan before the allegations of the affair with Soon-Yi were known.
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That is not true. It said nothing about "inappropriate behavior". Woody was described as having an "inappropriately strong interest" in Dylan. It explicitly stated that there was no evidence of anything sexual about that interest. It was inappropriate because Woody would focus all his attention on Dylan, and ignore the other children (which is inappropriate) because he felt that Mia was neglecting Dylan
 
vesper said:
There are numerous articles on the web covering the story during the ugly custody battle. A lot of folks confuse the ugly custody battle with Allen being charged as a sex offender believe it or not. Allen was never charged because there was no evidence to support doing so. The little girl underwent several evaluations and none produced such evidence. Surely if something was discovered, the man would have been charged. The only so called evidence that was brought forth was a video that Mia Farrow made asking her daughter questions, "What did Daddy do to you"....."Then what did he do?". The tape started and stopped throughout. Even one of the nannies in an affidavit stated that the child wasn't interested in making the film and seemed like she was being coached what to say by her mother. Even those that know Allen personally are well aware of his claustrophobia and when they read the account given that the molestation occurred in a closet like attic, they said "No Way"! Last night on Kelly's Files she even brought up the numerous times the child had been seen by professionals and no evidence was found to support the claim. I believe she stated 7-8 times. So the evidence that shoots down these allegations comes from several different sources. From Farrow's on memoirs, book written by a former nanny, news articles covering the story, affidavits taken from nannies. Too much there for me to simply say he is guilty of such a thing.
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Oh, and no evidence certainly does NOT equate to "he didn't do it." Like I said, this is the hardest crime to prove, and rarely is there good reliable physical evidence. It certainly is a he said/she said, so you have to look in your heart to see which story you believe, and I have to say that I believe the girl.

She is not a child anymore. She is an adult person now. She would know and remember if her mother coached her into saying these things about her father. In such a situation, a girl would probably despise her mother. And I have a hard time believing that a person would hurt themselves in this way and come out publicly with this if it didn't really happen. Because really, she is going to have a VERY difficult time.
 
sangha said:
You've got it bass-ackwards. Claims like this need substantiation, and you have none




That is not true. It said nothing about "inappropriate behavior". Woody was described as having an "inappropriately strong interest" in Dylan. It explicitly stated that there was no evidence of anything sexual about that interest. It was inappropriate because Woody would focus all his attention on Dylan, and ignore the other children (which is inappropriate) because he felt that Mia was neglecting Dylan
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Right, I'm just giving my opinion. I never stated there was any conclusive evidence either way. There usually isn't in these situations. No, in my link, it is specifically stated that Allen was seeing a psychiatrist for inappropriate behavior with Dylan before the revelation of his affair with the other child.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, I would need links to see what you're talking about for myself. I mean, you can just make claims here, but if you want to be taken seriously you should have some links available to back them up. For all I know, you could be making things up.
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I already have posted two or three links. One was an old newspaper account. Another was a piece posted at the Daily Beast. Another was to the book written by a former nanny. And now I just recently told you that on the show Kelly's Files on Fox, Kelly brought up the several times the child was evaluated by professionals and no evidence of molestation was found.
 
ChrisL said:
Oh, and no evidence certainly does NOT equate to "he didn't do it." Like I said, this is the hardest crime to prove, and rarely is there good reliable physical evidence. It certainly is a he said/she said, so you have to look in your heart to see which story you believe, and I have to say that I believe the girl.

She is not a child anymore. She is an adult person now. She would know and remember if her mother coached her into saying these things about her father. In such a situation, a girl would probably despise her mother. And I have a hard time believing that a person would hurt themselves in this way and come out publicly with this if it didn't really happen. Because really, she is going to have a VERY difficult time.
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Declaring yourself to be a "Woody" pretty much gave the game away years ago. The guy is creepy, though did great stand-up at one time.
 
sangha said:
The court said that there was nothing sexual about his "inappropriately intense" interest with Dylan. It does not say that any of his behavior was inappropriate
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sangha said:
You've got it bass-ackwards. Claims like this need substantiation, and you have none




That is not true. It said nothing about "inappropriate behavior". Woody was described as having an "inappropriately strong interest" in Dylan. It explicitly stated that there was no evidence of anything sexual about that interest. It was inappropriate because Woody would focus all his attention on Dylan, and ignore the other children (which is inappropriate) because he felt that Mia was neglecting Dylan
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As you can see above, you acknowledged the link and it's statements already prior in this discussion. Here is the link again with the particular excerpt.

Did Woody Allen molest his adopted daughter 22 years ago? Reviewing the evidence.

In the Time interview, Allen strongly suggests a cause-and-effect relationship between Farrow discovering his affair with Soon-Yi and the molestation allegations. But that account is hard to deduce from the timeline of events. Farrow found out about the affair when Allen left pornographic photographs of Soon-Yi on his mantel in January 1992—eight months before Dylan made her allegations. By Orth’s account, Allen was already in therapy for “inappropriate behavior” with Dylan before the revelation of the affair.

And in their May 1994 decision, the judges of the New York appellate court held that, with regard to the events of Aug. 4, 1992, “the testimony given at trial by the individuals caring for the children that day, the videotape of Dylan made by Ms. Farrow the following day and the accounts of Dylan's behavior toward Mr. Allen both before and after the alleged instance of abuse, suggest that the abuse did occur.” Although “the evidence in support of the allegations remains inconclusive,” the court stated, “our review of the record militates against a finding that Ms. Farrow fabricated the allegations without any basis.”
 
ChrisL said:
It is the doubt cast upon them, people calling them liars, looking down upon them. All of these things victimize a victim even further and makes them hesitant to report it. Molestation and rape are the LEAST reported crimes because of the shame and stigma involved.
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I'm fully aware of that, but let's be sure there's a victim at all before we condemn someone. Wild tangents and emotion don't undermine the concept of being innocent until proven guilty. This is the law and has been my one and only point. I don't appreciate having opinions attributed to me that I never in fact offered.
 
ChrisL said:
Oh, and no evidence certainly does NOT equate to "he didn't do it." Like I said, this is the hardest crime to prove, and rarely is there good reliable physical evidence. It certainly is a he said/she said, so you have to look in your heart to see which story you believe, and I have to say that I believe the girl.

She is not a child anymore. She is an adult person now. She would know and remember if her mother coached her into saying these things about her father. In such a situation, a girl would probably despise her mother. And I have a hard time believing that a person would hurt themselves in this way and come out publicly with this if it didn't really happen. Because really, she is going to have a VERY difficult time.
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I have no doubt in my heart she believes it happened. But the question here is was she taught that it happened by having a mother tell her over and over again that it did? You repeat something enough and it has a tendency to become the truth whether it is or isn't. I think there is enough red flags to consider that might just be what happened.
 
vesper said:
I already have posted two or three links. One was an old newspaper account. Another was a piece posted at the Daily Beast. Another was to the book written by a former nanny. And now I just recently told you that on the show Kelly's Files on Fox, Kelly brought up the several times the child was evaluated by professionals and no evidence of molestation was found.
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Well, I must have missed that. Please give me the post numbers or repost those links if it isn't too much trouble. Thanks.
 
vesper said:
I have no doubt in my heart she believes it happened. But the question here is was she taught that it happened by having a mother tell her over and over again that it did? You repeat something enough and it has a tendency to become the truth. I think there is enough red flags to consider that might just be what happened.
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Unless she is mentally deficient or disabled, no I believe that once she is an adult, she is able to think for herself and memories from age 7 at her age would be fairly easy to recall. I'm sorry, but if someone tells me they were molested, my first instinct is to believe that person and not to assume he or she is lying, especially when there is really no valid MO for this girl to do so. She states in her own words that she has very CLEAR memories of the molestation.
 
NoC_T said:
I'm fully aware of that, but let's be sure there's a victim at all before we condemn someone. Wild tangents and emotion don't undermine the concept of being innocent until proven guilty. This is the law and has been my one and only point. I don't appreciate having opinions attributed to me that I never in fact offered.
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You have a point, but molestation cases are different. It is normally going to be a he said/she said situation in most instances. Besides, I'm am not on the jury. :lol: I am just here on a website giving my opinions on the matter.
 
ecofarm said:
Not many people have married three teenagers, and a woman of age without spending a night together. Even fewer have adopted a wife. Pretending he's a regular dude is stupid. People are not blind.
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He hasn't married 3 teenagers. He's married 2, one of those when he too was a teenager.I've no idea when or whether each of his marriages were consumated. He's never adopted a wife. I've never claimed he's 'a regular dude'. He, and Farrow, are equally weird, but weird isn't criminal, isn't paedophile and is none of our business.

You do not call collateral damage murder?
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Nope. Do you?
 
ChrisL said:
You have a point, but molestation cases are different. It is normally going to be a he said/she said situation in most instances. Besides, I'm am not on the jury. :lol: I am just here on a website giving my opinions on the matter.
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But it's not different. I could accuse you of child molestation, but until I could prove it, you'd be innocent. Without enough evidence to convict, there'd be no case against you. Only speculation and unfounded accusations. These aren't sufficient to secure a conviction. We could all randomly accuse each other of this, that or the other. It doesn't mean ****. All these tangential arguments are so much window dressing to try and get around the concept of being innocent until proven guilty. Good luck having the legal system overhauled, but I think you're **** out of luck.
 
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