scatt
DP Veteran
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2013
- Messages
- 4,721
- Reaction score
- 509
- Gender
- Undisclosed
- Political Leaning
- Undisclosed
A whole lot.
Not at all. Zero.
A whole lot.
Missing the point of my post - let me decide when to wear a belt. I did mention I buckle up when I 'm not just on surface streets?What you describe is an aberration. Seat belts were never meant, nor could they ever be, a perfect solution. No safety measure can ever be 100%. They merely (greatly) increase the odds that you will survive a crash. If you let this single positive-ending incident dictate your decision, you are a fool.
This issue puts me in something of a quandary.
On the one hand I intensely resent the government telling me what to do. They do this way too often on way to many subjects that seriously are not their business.
On the other hand, I ALWAYS wear my seat belt, and precisely because I got in the habit when I lived in Germany for a couple years 30 years ago. They literally enforced it. I did it then because I had to... I ended up learning the wisdom of it... and it became second-nature to me to the point that now I feel naked if I don't wear a seat belt.
Hence, I wear a set belt by choice now. I feel that anybody who doesn't wear a seat belt is an idiot. Yet I still resent being told to.
:shrug:
I'm not buying the "human projectile" thing too much because really anything is going to become a projectile during an accident, anything in the vehicle or on the vehicle has that potential, so that's a lame reason for forcing adults to wear seat belts IMO.
You don't buy Newton's first law of motion?
You don't buy Newton's first law of motion?
This has to be the single wackiest debate I've ever taken part in. The only way to top this is to argue with someone that gravity is real.
I guess you didn't understand my post. I'm saying that can be the case with anything on or in the car, so I don't see that as a valid reason.
So you see then that seatbelts mitigate this?
So you see then that seatbelts mitigate this?
They don't prevent anything else in the car or on the car from becoming a projectile. I don't see this as a valid reason to have a seat belt law for adults. For children, sure.
They're not the ones who need to stay in control of it in case motion, inertia and centripetal force cause them to lose said control.
Seatbelts negate the possibility of losing control?
Because children aren't the ones driving the car. They're not the ones who need to stay in control of it in case motion, inertia and centripetal force cause them to lose said control.
Yes.
That's true, but I don't believe in forcing adults to wear seat belts while driving. I think if they know the risks and decide to not wear a seat belt they are stupid, but you really can't make laws to prevent stupidity. I've read that seat belt use is actually only about 10% higher when it's mandated anyway.
I'm totally cool with it, since some adults see this as an argument for their freedom and are incapable of seeing how their actions can endanger others, this is one of those cases where Mr. Policeman has to come in and make them play well with others.
I'm totally cool with it, since some adults see this as an argument for their freedom and are incapable of seeing how their actions can endanger others, this is one of those cases where Mr. Policeman has to come in and make them play well with others.
It's not that we can't, but that we don't find "safety" arguments worth considering.
There are certain people who don't find "personal property" arguments worth considering either. Laws are made because of people like them too.
If the government has the duty to keep us safe then you have to ask yourself where you limit this duty, and of course, you can't do that because there is no logical way to do so.
One of the government's primary duties is to keep its citizens safe from people who have no regard for the safety or property of others.