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Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

Do you believe in seat belt laws?

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Kal'Stang said:
Ok. Still I disagree with it. My taxes are mixed up in there as well. As such it pretty much nulls your taxes. Same with the rest of your objections. Not to mention with such an arguement you can use it to excuse any number of things. Including infringing on peoples Rights.
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Sure the same argument could be made for many other things, I mean if nothing else we are all linked through taxes. However with seat belts there's no downside whatsoever to wearing one, outside of a purely ideological argument there's no loss of freedom for anyone, people are still able to do things exactly as before, there's no impact on your daily life whatsoever.
 
Wiseone said:
Sure the same argument could be made for many other things, I mean if nothing else we are all linked through taxes. However with seat belts there's no downside whatsoever to wearing one, outside of a purely ideological argument there's no loss of freedom for anyone, people are still able to do things exactly as before, there's no impact on your daily life whatsoever.
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Except for that ticket that needs paid and being pulled over.
 
roguenuke said:
Since decisions to not wear seat belts can affect others besides that person, yes, I do support seat belt laws.

The human body becomes a projectile when it has been traveling at 30-60 mph in a car and suddenly that car is no longer traveling that speed. The body keeps going. A seat belt stops that motion. Without the seatbelt, the body can strike others within the car, causing damage to them or be ejected from the car, causing harm or problems to others traveling the road.
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Where is the intent to invade the person or property of another?
 
Henrin said:
Except for that ticket that needs paid and being pulled over.
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That you wouldn't have gotten if you had your seat belt on. But yes I take it back, if you're dumb enough as a person to drive a vehicle without a seat belt, and even more stupid of a person to drive a vehicle without a seat belt when you know you may get pulled over for it then it may have an impact on your daily life.

But you know that kind of applies to everything doesn't? I mean stupidity will have an impact on your daily life in everything, regardless of how simple, easy, or smart it is to do if you really try hard enough to be that much of a damn moron.
 
Grim17 said:
This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

Do you believe in seat belt laws?

a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


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As long as emergency services are going to be paid out of the common pool and funded by the taxpayer I think it's not the worst imposition on someone's liberties. I'm willing to restrict their rights for the rest of our sake.
 
Wiseone said:
That you wouldn't have gotten if you had your seat belt on. But yes I take it back, if you're dumb enough as a person to drive a vehicle without a seat belt, and even more stupid of a person to drive a vehicle without a seat belt when you know you may get pulled over for it then it may have an impact on your daily life.

But you know that kind of applies to everything doesn't? I mean stupidity will have an impact on your daily life in everything, regardless of how simple, easy, or smart it is to do if you really try hard enough to be that much of a damn moron.
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Yeah sure, usually speaking the government doesn't act on you until you're at least suspected of breaking some sort of law. Thanks for revealing to me something that everyone on the planet except maybe babies and toddlers was already aware of.
 
Henrin said:
Yeah sure, usually speaking the government doesn't act on you until you're at least suspected of breaking some sort of law. Thanks for revealing to me something that everyone on the planet except maybe babies and toddlers was already aware of.
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Wear your seat belt then.

Not that hard
 
The statistical experts at Freakonomics say there are strong indications that while seat belts save lives, car seat laws may make accidents more dangerous.

They covered it in their second book, and they have several follow-ups on their site.

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WillyPete said:
The statistical experts at Freakonomics say there are strong indications that while seat belts save lives, car seat laws may make accidents more dangerous.

They covered it in their second book, and they have several follow-ups on their site.

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Ahh! The treachery of reality, when good intentions hit it like a wall.
 
Wiseone said:
Hey man you're free to make all the stupid decisions you want, except when those stupid ass choices affect other people.
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Can you show that I intended to affect other people? No? I didn't think so.
 
Grim17 said:
This question applies to legal adults only, not children:

Do you believe in seat belt laws?

a) Yes. They are nessisary to protect the public for their own good.
b) No. I'm a consenting adult and shouldn't have to wear one if I don't want to.


Discuss...
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Do momentum and kinetic energy apply to consenting adults?
 
Wiseone said:
Hey man you're free to make all the stupid decisions you want, except when those stupid ass choices affect other people.
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You mean affect other people negatively. But of course very many things we do affect other people negatively and we do them and are allowed to do them all the time.
 
joG said:
You mean affect other people negatively. But of course very many things we do affect other people negatively and we do them and are allowed to do them all the time.
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That is because the maxim of the law is that there can be no crime without a criminal intent; that is, without the intent to invade the person or property of another. No one can prove intent here.
 
Lachean said:
I don't need the law to know to wear mine, but I am opposed to others being force to; Let those Darwin Award winners make the gene pool less stupid, stop protecting idiots, please.
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If those Darwin Award winners drove alone in the vast stretches of Iowa I could get on board with that. When other cars are on the road with them that thinking doesn't work very well.
 
Henrin said:
Can you show that I intended to affect other people? No? I didn't think so.
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Someone who doesn't believe in using a seat belt is too stupid to understand how their actions affect others, they also may be some brain dead libertarian.

joG said:
You mean affect other people negatively. But of course very many things we do affect other people negatively and we do them and are allowed to do them all the time.
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There's no reason not to wear a seat belt, every reason to wear one.
 
Wiseone said:
Someone who doesn't believe in using a seat belt is too stupid to understand how their actions affect others, they also may be some brain dead libertarian.
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So what you're saying is that you can't prove intent. Good to know.
 
Henrin said:
So what you're saying is that you can't prove intent. Good to know.
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I'm saying that the intent of someone not wearing a seat belt doesn't matter, much in the same way the intent of someone firing a gun into the doesn't matter if someone else is hit.

Anyone too god damn stupid or stubborn to wear a seat belt probably shouldn't be allowed to drive.
 
Wiseone said:
I'm saying that the intent of someone not wearing a seat belt doesn't matter, much in the same way the intent of someone firing a gun into the doesn't matter if someone else is hit.

Anyone too god damn stupid or stubborn to wear a seat belt probably shouldn't be allowed to drive.
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Sorry, if you can't prove intent than you have no case.
 
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