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Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

Do you believe in seat belt laws?


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That is of course your opinion. My sister almost died due to a seatbelt when she went of the road and into a river. Only reason she didn't is because she happened to have a knife with her.


Okay - your bullcrap arguments are really getting thick.

Had your sister not had her seat belt on she might have drowned from being knocked out upon impact with water.

The seat belt most likely saved her life by giving her the ability or opportunity to free herself.

It's fine to be opposed to something for many many reasons.

To make up ridiculous horse feces that's completely unsupported by fact is just going too far.

It's like saying "My grandfather smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day for 60 years, and lived to be 95 years old without ever getting cancer, so all this crap about the dangers of smoking is nothing more than big government interference in our lives. Smoking is obviously a safe habit."

Do you NOT swim in the ocean because a few people each year get killed by sharks?

To suggest that seat belts are dangerous to use is so ludicrous and stupid it's not even funny.
 
And getting rid of fast food restaruants and junk food would save lives also. Should we get rid of them? That would save even more lives that the 255 thousand some odd people that have been saved due to seatbelt use since 1975. Policy Impact: Seat Belts People would be better off.....right?

Point is...don't people have a right to determine how they live and what risks they take?




No one person has the right to determine that for everyone in the USA.

We have elected governments to make laws for all of us.

Anyone who doesn't like those laws should try to change them.

I predict that our current seat belt laws aren't going away.
 
It is amazingly stupid not to wear seat belts. But I dont see how it harms anyone else unless when ejected from the vehicle the dummy not wearing seatbelts lands on you. I do beleive we should have the right to be stupid if it harms no one else. And it might get rid of a few of them liberterians.

Government following our ideology doesn't make us go away, but instead makes us stronger. :mrgreen:
 
I have the right to harm myself or risk my own life, and so yes, I'm against seat belt laws.
 
Okay - your bullcrap arguments are really getting thick.

Had your sister not had her seat belt on she might have drowned from being knocked out upon impact with water.

The seat belt most likely saved her life by giving her the ability or opportunity to free herself.

The keyword in there is "might". I do know that if she hadn't had a knife with her she WOULD have died for sure.

It's fine to be opposed to something for many many reasons.

To make up ridiculous horse feces that's completely unsupported by fact is just going too far.

Sorry but what happened with my sister is a fact. Whether you want to believe it or not. Also the 10k people dead in 2003 due to faulty seatbelts is also a fact.

Do you NOT swim in the ocean because a few people each year get killed by sharks?

Whether a person does or not should be up to them. And yes, there are some people that won't swim in the ocean for that very reason.

To suggest that seat belts are dangerous to use is so ludicrous and stupid it's not even funny.

In certain circumstances seatbelts ARE dangerous. That is a proven fact. Denying it doesn't bring those 10k people back to life.
 
No one person has the right to determine that for everyone in the USA.

We have elected governments to make laws for all of us.

Anyone who doesn't like those laws should try to change them.

I predict that our current seat belt laws aren't going away.

Mob rule is not always the best way.
 
And getting rid of fast food restaruants and junk food would save lives also. Should we get rid of them? That would save even more lives that the 255 thousand some odd people that have been saved due to seatbelt use since 1975. Policy Impact: Seat Belts People would be better off.....right?

Point is...don't people have a right to determine how they live and what risks they take?

Generally, yes. Doesn't mean that the gov. shouldn't put in regulations that protect people.

You're basing your argument on a personal experience, which is very scary and I get that, but that doesn't mean that you are using logic when you decided to not put on your seat belt. The simple fact is, seat belts save lives, you are better off wearing a seat belt, and you are more likely to be killed by not wearing a seat belt than due to a faulty seat belt.

You are basing your decisions and arguments on a understandable, but illogical fear. Please, put on your seat belt, it could save your life.
 
Generally, yes. Doesn't mean that the gov. shouldn't put in regulations that protect people.

You're basing your argument on a personal experience, which is very scary and I get that, but that doesn't mean that you are using logic when you decided to not put on your seat belt. The simple fact is, seat belts save lives, you are better off wearing a seat belt, and you are more likely to be killed by not wearing a seat belt than due to a faulty seat belt.

You are basing your decisions and arguments on a understandable, but illogical fear. Please, put on your seat belt, it could save your life.

Even if it is illogical, do I not have the right to self determination? You didn't answer my question about the fast food restaruants and junk food. Which kills far more people than seat belts save. Should we get rid of them in the name of saving lives? (unless I missed your answer?)
 
Generally, yes. Doesn't mean that the gov. shouldn't put in regulations that protect people.

Yes, it does. The government is to act on crimes. If there was no crime there is no reason to act.
 
I support seat belt laws for all.
 
Even if it is illogical, do I not have the right to self determination? You didn't answer my question about the fast food restaruants and junk food. Which kills far more people than seat belts save. Should we get rid of them in the name of saving lives? (unless I missed your answer?)

No, obviously. But those are not the same things.

And if you can recognize that you're wrong about not wearing the seat belt, why do you still not wear it? It's idiotic.
 
No, obviously. But those are not the same things.

You opened up the door with your veggies comment. If its not useable as an analogy then.....? I figure that since your arguement is that seatbelts save lives then my question to you is the same since both would save lives.

And if you can recognize that you're wrong about not wearing the seat belt, why do you still not wear it? It's idiotic.

I recognize both possibilites. For me it is dependent on where I am driving. If I am in town where the speed limit ranges from 10mph-35mph then a seatbelt is pretty much useless as you won't get hit hard enough on a foward or back impact. You're not going fast enough to cause any serious damage to yourself. But getting T-boned on the driver side a seatbelt will restrict you to the point where you have the door or engine in your lap instead of you being pushed into the passenger seat. On the highway though where the speed limit is 60mph (my area) then yeah, wear a seatbelt.
 
I have no problem with adults not wearing seat belts so long as they are willing to only accept compensation fir the injuries they would have sustained if they had been wearing one in the case of an accident.

As my uncle, a retired fireman says.... In 32 years on the job he never unbuckled a corpse.
 
Since decisions to not wear seat belts can affect others besides that person, yes, I do support seat belt laws.

The human body becomes a projectile when it has been traveling at 30-60 mph in a car and suddenly that car is no longer traveling that speed. The body keeps going. A seat belt stops that motion. Without the seatbelt, the body can strike others within the car, causing damage to them or be ejected from the car, causing harm or problems to others traveling the road.
 
To not wear a seat belt is silly if you care about your safety. They obviously save lives in a huge way.

BUT...I do not believe for one second that the government has the right to force you to wear them.

If I want to further risk my life by not wearing a seat belt...that is my choice.

Bungy jumping and recreational skydiving are not safe...should the government outlaw them as well? Of course not.

I should be legally able to smoke crack, jump out of an airplane for fun, not wear a helmet while I ride a motorcycle, not wear seat belts or even kill myself...none of these things on their own are ANY of the government's business.

If I wish to abuse/subject my body to greater danger...including not wearing seat belts...that should be my choice.

The use of seatbelts saves money for every insured driver on the road.
 
What is reasonable to you? What is reasonable to me? Some people think that it is perfectly reasonble to ban all guns. Others think that it is perfectly reasonable to ban certain kinds of "hate" speech. This is why I said "not reasonable". What is and isn't reasonable is entirely subjective.

Also when I say "limited" I'm talking about in scope. Not in totality.
What is or isn't limited is subjective too. The point is that determining the appropriate limits of government is a wider question that would need to be discussed. Questions about a single specific law or regulation needs to be discussed on an individual case-by-case basis. Basically, regardless or where you stand on limits of government, the question of seat-belt laws could remain open.
 
The driver and front seat passenger need to wear a seatbelt . The driver needs to be kept in place so he/she can keep control of the vehicle if the car were to go into a skid . The front Passenger is because if the car crashes with enough force he/she would not eject and potentially strike another vehicle. which may lead into a lawsuit .
 
The driver and front seat passenger need to wear a seatbelt . The driver needs to be kept in place so he/she can keep control of the vehicle if the car were to go into a skid . The front Passenger is because if the car crashes with enough force he/she would not eject and potentially strike another vehicle. which may lead into a lawsuit .

Everyone in the car needs to wear a seatbelt. Everyone in that car is a projectile just waiting to get free.

There's a video on YouTube, that I just realized may be too graphic. "Seatbelt safety ads" will bring them up.

Newton's First Law of Motion. An object in motion stays in motion, unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. The seatbelt acts as that "unbalanced force". Without it, you become a dangerous heavy weapon flying around in the car.

And I wanted to add that many of the seatbelt safety ads from other countries are frick'n graphic. Ours are mainly "Click it or Ticket" ads, telling you that you will get a ticket for not doing it, theirs actually show violent accidents where seatbelts weren't worn and the effect, especially the UK.
 
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Considering that after the introduction in my country, fatalities in car accidents went down by 70%, I believe I have the legitemate right to call everyone who opposes it a fanatic knownothing.
So yall were bad drivers. You needed a nanny state to take control of your lives.
 
So yall were bad drivers. You needed a nanny state to take control of your lives.

I dont even know how to reply to such a hideous comment.


Yall in the swamp were fascists. So you needed a nanny state to take control of your lives and teach you that black people are human beings?
 
No, obviously. But those are not the same things.

And if you can recognize that you're wrong about not wearing the seat belt, why do you still not wear it? It's idiotic.

If idiots want to be idiots, why should the rest of us care. Let Darwin have them and the species will be improved.
 
Personally, I resented seat belt laws when they were first initiated. In retrospect, I was wrong. It is undeniable that seat belts save a lot of lives and are truly not too large of an inconvenience. The law starts with everyone, so when the kiddies grow up, they take it for granted and wonder why anyone would object. It is a wonderful example to set for the children and that is our duty as parents/responsible adults.
 
I don't need the law to know to wear mine, but I am opposed to others being force to; Let those Darwin Award winners make the gene pool less stupid, stop protecting idiots, please.
 
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