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Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

Do you believe in seat belt laws?


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It' is mighty hard for anyone to drive a motor vehicle if they have been knocked unconscious because they weren't wearing their seat belts.

Not wearing a seatbelt does not knock you out, shrubnos.
 
What about all the stuff that can be in the back of a pickup? Wood, tools, concrete blocks, whatever. They will potentially do a TON more damage then a flying body.

Not really, the things in your back seat are more of a threat to the driver and person on the front passenger seat. Only the things on the central back seat have a direct path outside.



and things loaded on top of a car mostly are a bigger threat to the car or people behing the one you crashed into.

Dont underestimate any potential projectile. With enough speed crashing into something or having something crash into you, everything is potentialy dangerous. Just remind yourself that a bird can take down a jumbo jet if gets sucked into the turbine.

And with (I believe) every new car equipped with air bags, how is the body going to get out?

That depends on the speed of the car. I forgot how fast it was, but at a speed of certainly above 80 km/h you get thrown out.

At a speed below without seatbelt, the airbag will kill you, since it crushes your ribcage.

Please show me a crash test video where the dummies were not belted AND they somehow flew out of the car through/over the air bags?

It`s not the enitre body that flies of. Your head can get smashed to pieces and it`s splinters become projectiles.

My brother (who worked as an army medic and for the red cross) told me about severed heads, arms, bits of jaws and teeth than can get catapulted out for distance of 40 meters.

Airbags today mostly prevent the entire body from flying out, and the highest risk is at the central back seat and at the side videos. But it can still happen



This is an animation used to reenact an accident at a court case



To fly out of the front you need to reach a certain minimum speed for each different car.

There are car models out of which you can get catapulted out entirely more likely than others.


Here is one where they definitely did not:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...laws-consenting-adults-21.html#post1062865135

Plus, most cars now come with side air bags as well.

Airbags simply break your ribs and sometimes even your spine if you dont wear a seatbelt. When driving at high speed it even can rip your head and arms off.

No.

The main thing that prevents people from flying out of the car is the glass.

Which itself becomes a dangerous projectile if it breaks.
 
I added some to my original post which you didn't get, but I don't think the self-injury argument should be used because the government should never legislate to protect people from themselves, only to protect people from other people. I think there might be enough evidence for the later case, but as I stated, I'd rather see it handled outside of the government, like insurances not paying out if you don't wear your seatbelt. (which is probably already the case). What's scarier, the thought that you might get a little ticket, or the thought that your family won't get your life insurance check if you die without the seatbelt?

True indeed. Yet, which driver thinks of insurance when driving?
 
You do not know what car insurance is?

Dont start to act is if you had something of a highgroun here.

You simply laberd "There is car insurance!"

Whilest nmot making any point on how it supposedly insures the use of seatbelts.

Nothing at all, just a utterly useless mentioning of a word.

I want to debate here as do most others, and not try to decifer what you mean when you posts sentences containing nothing but 2-4 words!
 
True indeed. Yet, which driver thinks of insurance when driving?

If they're not thinking about their own safety, or the well-being of their family if they do have a crash, why would they be thinking of a potential ticket?

And as a side note: children should 100% be required by law to wear seatbelts, as they are not adults who can make their own decisions.
 
You simply laberd "There is car insurance!"

Human skull fragments, from a car wreck, damaging property would be covered by car insurance.
 
Human skull fragments, from a car wreck, damaging property would be covered by car insurance.

And you completly miss the point that those skull fragments and projectiles produced by a human body in a car crash are a potential harm to people.


Are you trolling?
 
If they're not thinking about their own safety, or the well-being of their family if they do have a crash, why would they be thinking of a potential ticket?

And as a side note: children should 100% be required by law to wear seatbelts, as they are not adults who can make their own decisions.

Not just their own safety, but those of others aswell. Someone might ignore ones own safety, but not the safety of others.
 
And you completly miss the point that those skull fragments and projectiles produced by a human body in a car crash are a potential harm to people.

Do you even own a car? Have you moved out and started paying your own bills yet? Car insurance covers harm done to others.
 
Not really, the things in your back seat are more of a threat to the driver and person on the front passenger seat. Only the things on the central back seat have a direct path outside.



and things loaded on top of a car mostly are a bigger threat to the car or people behing the one you crashed into.

Dont underestimate any potential projectile. With enough speed crashing into something or having something crash into you, everything is potentialy dangerous. Just remind yourself that a bird can take down a jumbo jet if gets sucked into the turbine.



That depends on the speed of the car. I forgot how fast it was, but at a speed of certainly above 80 km/h you get thrown out.

At a speed below without seatbelt, the airbag will kill you, since it crushes your ribcage.



It`s not the enitre body that flies of. Your head can get smashed to pieces and it`s splinters become projectiles.

My brother (who worked as an army medic and for the red cross) told me about severed heads, arms, bits of jaws and teeth than can get catapulted out for distance of 40 meters.

Airbags today mostly prevent the entire body from flying out, and the highest risk is at the central back seat and at the side videos. But it can still happen



This is an animation used to reenact an accident at a court case



To fly out of the front you need to reach a certain minimum speed for each different car.

There are car models out of which you can get catapulted out entirely more likely than others.




Airbags simply break your ribs and sometimes even your spine if you dont wear a seatbelt. When driving at high speed it even can rip your head and arms off.

No.

The main thing that prevents people from flying out of the car is the glass.

Which itself becomes a dangerous projectile if it breaks.


Oh, come on now.

The smashed pieces of a skull?

Which would you rather have flying at you...what's left of someone's skull or a re-bar rod that flew out of a pickup bed?

If you say the former, you are either lying or ignorant on this.


I care about facts.

Like facts from UNBIASED SOURCES from major studies about the likelihood of unbelted humans flying through windows of >5 year old cars in an accident WITH LETHAL FORCE.

Or links to unbiased FACTS that there is a greater danger of being injured in an accident from an unbelted human in a >5 year old car then the contents of a typical pickup truck bed?

When you find and present those...then I am interested...not before.


And their are tens of millions of pickup's out there...most have something in the bed...and it's probably not fluffy and light.

They carry tools and motorcycles and just about anything else that can fit.

And what about trailers? Lots of people haul heavy things on trailers. What would a pair of ATV's flying off the back of a trailer do compared to 'smashed pieces of skull'?


Sure, an unbelted body could fly out a window with lethal force - though I think from a side/front air bagged car it is extremely unlikely.

But I say that the threat from that is far, FAR less then the threat from things people haul in cars, trucks and on trailers.

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Not wearing a seatbelt does not knock you out, shrubnos.




Bouncing around in a car because of not wearing seat belts has knocked people out.

in any case seat belt use is required by law all over the USA.

If you break the law, don't be surprised when you get a ticket.
 
It' is mighty hard for anyone to drive a motor vehicle if they have been knocked unconscious because they weren't wearing their seat belts.

That would pose an impediment.
 
Do you even own a car?

A Dacia.

Have you moved out and started paying your own bills yet?

Have you ever tried getting out of hillbilly land and seeing the actual civilised lands beyond the swamp?

I was kicked out of home age 17 and probably worked more in my life by now than you ever will!

Now obviously all you are here for is to see the threads go up in flames, so go and find some log in the swamp to bang your head against.

Car insurance covers harm done to others.

Not if you refused to prevent that harm being inflected on others by safety messures such as seatbelts.

And insurance is probably not mandetory in the US as it is here.
 
Not if you refused to prevent that harm being inflected on others by safety messures such as seatbelts.

Seatbelts do not prevent that.
 
Oh, come in now.

The smashed pieces of a skull?

Which would you rather have flying at you...what's left of someone's skull or a re-bar rod that flew out of a pickup bed?

The point is, I dont want anything flying at me.

Do you understand that concept of not wanting to have a projectile of any kind fly at your direction at high speed?

Or do I have to paint you a picture with some bright color crayons which you may understand?

If you say the former, you are either lying or ignorant on this.

Have a brother who worked as first responder and an uncle who is a court investigator at car accidents.

I know the numbers pritty well.

20% of all lethal car accidents happen due to lack of seatbelts.

The greatest threat to someones life in traffic today are drivers who dont put enought attention on the road or drive under the influence - thereby killing themselves or those they crash into.

Most leathal victims of car accidents today are people driven over by reckless drivers.

I could care less what you believe or what you say your mother's, brother's, best friend's, hairstylist's, aunt's banker says.

As you wish.

I care about facts.

So facts are numbers you dont chose to ignore because they are confirm with your opinion.

Like facts from UNBIASED SOURCES from major studies about the likelihood of unbelted humans flying through windows of >5 year old cars in an accident WITH LETHAL FORCE.

The ADAC is the organisation that oversees the safety of cars and decides wether they are or are not safe enought to be sold on the German market.

Or links to unbiased FACTS that there is a greater danger of being injured in an accident from an unbelted human in a >5 year old car then the contents of a typical pickup truck bed?

When you find and present those...then I am interested...not before.

And their are tens of millions of pickup's out there...most have something in the bed...and it's probably not fluffy and light.

I presented numbers and vids.

You presented 7 lines ranting about how biased everything is.

You so smart! You so good arguments!
 
It' is mighty hard for anyone to drive a motor vehicle if they have been knocked unconscious because they weren't wearing their seat belts.

Or thrown too far to the right through centripetal force to meaningfully control the vehicle in an emergency situation. Hell, just take a normal turn without a seatbelt and you'll feel the centripetal force pull you away from the steering wheel.

And even if you aren't knocked unconscious, your face will still be planted in your steering wheel, which isn't a very efficient way to be looking out the windshield.
 
The point is, I dont want anything flying at me.

Do you understand that concept of not wanting to have a projectile of any kind fly at your direction at high speed?

Or do I have to paint you a picture with some bright color crayons which you may understand?



Have a brother who worked as first responder and an uncle who is a court investigator at car accidents.

I know the numbers pritty well.

20% of all lethal car accidents happen due to lack of seatbelts.

The greatest threat to someones life in traffic today are drivers who dont put enought attention on the road or drive under the influence - thereby killing themselves or those they crash into.

Most leathal victims of car accidents today are people driven over by reckless drivers.



As you wish.



So facts are numbers you dont chose to ignore because they are confirm with your opinion.



The ADAC is the organisation that oversees the safety of cars and decides wether they are or are not safe enought to be sold on the German market.



I presented numbers and vids.

You presented 7 lines ranting about how biased everything is.

You so smart! You so good arguments!

Please let me know when you have links to those statistics from major studies from unbiased sources that I requested.

Until then, life is too short and Saturday's are too few for me to waste them in some pointless back-and-forth debate with you on this.

I say the state has no right to force me to wear a seatbelt. You say it does. Fine.


Why so many of you like these huge, pointless, multi-quote, theoretical debates is beyond me...seems a complete waste of time, IMO.

I say just state your position, why you feel that way, post your facts to back it up, read the facts the other person posted (if any), contemplate, give a summation...move on.


Good day.
 
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Please me know when you have links to those statistics from major studies from unbiased sources that I requested.

Until then, life is too short and Saturday's are too few for me to waste them in some pointless back-and-forth debate with you on this.

Good day.

Why didn`t you ask for those in the first place?

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Verkehr - Verkehrs- und Unfallstatistiken, Verkehrsteilnahme

Verkehr - Verkehrs- und Unfallstatistiken, Ortslagen

Verkehr - Verkehrs- und Unfallstatistiken, Altersgruppen

Verkehr - Verkehrs- und Unfallstatistiken, Unfallgeschen

Verkehr - Verkehrs- und Unfallstatistiken, Rahmenbedingungen
 
Not true as pointed out again in several posts I made.

It's not really a point you need to make to someone who's never driven a car. Let them drive for the first time and find out for themselves.
 
Nothing was offered to prove seatbelts stop human body projectiles.

How ironic that you post this under the very post that I post statistics.

Other than that, you dont post any statistics or sources of anykind and simply keep repeating the phrase

"Not true"

So you are not even worth having statistics and sources showed.
 
How ironic that you post this under the very post that I post statistics.

You made a post proving seatbelts stop human body projectiles?
 
I resist doing what I am forced to do. I had to go to traffic school once to keep the points from a speeding ticket off my record, saving me both fine and increased insurance costs. I got in an argument with the instructor over being forced to wear seat belts. As I've thought about it I realized that wearing a seat belt does reduce medical costs of those who have accidents. Those reduced costs make the pool of medical costs less expensive for insurance companies and those reduced costs help lessen insurance costs for everyone.

Not wearing a seat belt is a small thing but incase of accident has the potential to raise insurance costs for the pool being insured. I wear mine even though I'm told to.
 
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