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Do you believe in seat belt laws for consenting adults?

Do you believe in seat belt laws?


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No doctor would agree to this.

I shouldn't be required to take care of any people with increased medical fees.

I am ok with the increased fees so long as people are behaving in such a way that is generally not idiotic and by and large society acts like that. I get plenty of benefit so I am willing to pay a bit more, it balances out.
 
I am ok with the increased fees so long as people are behaving in such a way that is generally not idiotic and by and large society acts like that. I get plenty of benefit so I am willing to pay a bit more, it balances out.

Except the majority of people act idiotic in their choices including eating too much, smoking, drinking, etc.
 
Except the majority of people act idiotic in their choices including eating too much, smoking, drinking, etc.

those things are already factored into the current costs and I can't do anything about that.

I can oppose more stupidity though.

Another thing I would be ok with is that insurance companies increase their premiums for expected medical costs for this behavior. that would be acceptable to me too.
 
It's my body and should be my right to choose whether to wear one. I have been in a situation where a seat belt saved me from knocking my head on the dash and I have been in a situation where not wearing one allowed me to take the wheel and keep the car on the road when my friend passed out while driving.
 
I do not support any state regulation banning or supporting consensual consumer purchases.
Considering the amount of "Likes" you have given + your previous posts on this site, I'd imagine that you don't support much in the world.
 
To not wear a seat belt is silly if you care about your safety. They obviously save lives in a huge way.

BUT...I do not believe for one second that the government has the right to force you to wear them.

If I want to further risk my life by not wearing a seat belt...that is my choice.

Bungy jumping and recreational skydiving are not safe...should the government outlaw them as well? Of course not.

I should be legally able to smoke crack, jump out of an airplane for fun, not wear a helmet while I ride a motorcycle, not wear seat belts or even kill myself...none of these things on their own are ANY of the government's business.

If I wish to abuse/subject my body to greater danger...including not wearing seat belts...that should be my choice.
Seat belts do more than just save your life, they could help avoid an accident by keeping you behind the wheel regardless of what the car does. Obviously you've never been thrown across the front seat because of a violent maneuver you needed to avoid a crash. I have, when I was 16. I've worn seat belts ever since and that was looong before it was required by law.


My guess is, if the government couldn't make you wear them they'd be part of your auto insurance policy. No seat belt, no coverage.
 
It is amazingly stupid not to wear seat belts. But I dont see how it harms anyone else unless when ejected from the vehicle the dummy not wearing seatbelts lands on you. I do beleive we should have the right to be stupid if it harms no one else. And it might get rid of a few of them liberterians.
I have to disagree ... see above post.
 
It is because of comments like this that I am 100% percent certain that our species is doomed.
You have no valid, logical argument so you choose to spew an ad hominem attack.

Pathetic.
 
Seat belts do more than just save your life, they could help avoid an accident by keeping you behind the wheel regardless of what the car does. Obviously you've never been thrown across the front seat because of a violent maneuver you needed to avoid a crash. I have, when I was 16. I've worn seat belts ever since and that was looong before it was required by law.


My guess is, if the government couldn't make you wear them they'd be part of your auto insurance policy. No seat belt, no coverage.

Fine...when you can show me a major study done by a TOTALLY unbiased organization that categorically proves that driving with a seat belt offers a large and significant (like 25-33%) safety advantage BEFORE an accident, then I might re-think my position.

Until then, little chance.

And you and others are missing the point. And it's the same sort of argument with paranoia about terrorism security.

America is about personal freedom first..not safety.

Freedom, IMO, should always be the most important thing...safety second. Sure there is always a compromise as you have to have a certain degree of safety rules. But, for me, safety should never impinge on personal freedom and privacy.

And for me - and obviously not for you - giving the state the right to fine you (and I imagine if you refused to pay the fine, eventually jail you) simply because you are not wearing a strap while you drive that is universally stated to be a personal safety device (as opposed to being a road safety device) is wrong.


My (a sane adult's) personal safety is NONE of the state's business.

And I am not interested in debating this point...either you/others get it or you don't.
 
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You have no valid, logical argument so you choose to spew an ad hominem attack.

Pathetic.

The very first reply in this thread is my argument.

And all you do is scream "TYRANNY!!! NAH BLA BLAH BLA!!!!"

Are from south of the mason dixon line?
 
The very first reply in this thread is my argument.

And all you do is scream "TYRANNY!!! NAH BLA BLAH BLA!!!!"

Are from south of the mason dixon line?
Another ad hominem.

That's pathetic.
 
Another ad hominem.

That's pathetic.

Considering that you call yourself muhammed and obviously dedicated your presence on a political forum to mocking people you dont even know, you are the last person to call anyone pathetic.

Now show your arguments against seatbelts, or better show how they cost tax money as you previously claimed.
 
Considering that you call yourself muhammed and obviously dedicated your presence on a political forum to mocking people you dont even know, you are the last person to call anyone pathetic.

Now show your arguments against seatbelts, or better show how they cost tax money as you previously claimed.
I never argued against seatbelts in the first place, nor will I.

I've nothing against seatbelts, I just think totalitarianism is evil.
 
One of the stupidest, least enforceable, senseless laws on the books.

Not wearing your seatbelt is an action without a victim. You may, potentially, hurt yourself by choosing to not wear it.

That is, quite simply, not an adequate basis for the usage of the state's coercive force.
 
I never argued against seatbelts in the first place, nor will I.

I've nothing against seatbelts, I just think totalitarianism is evil.

rephrase: seatbelt regulations

Amazing that I have to rephrase considering that it is rather obvious what I meant.

Clearly you are just interested in annoying the piss out of people by being as evasive as possible.
 
One of the stupidest, least enforceable, senseless laws on the books.

Not wearing your seatbelt is an action without a victim. You may, potentially, hurt yourself by choosing to not wear it.

That is, quite simply, not an adequate basis for the usage of the state's coercive force.

Not true, if you dont wear a seatbelt you are a potential projectile.

Even with a seatbelt parts of your body can become projectiles.

When my brother worked as an army medic he had to do shifts with the red cross, he told me of a car accident in which someones head was smashed apart on the steering wheel after crashing into a house at 180 km/h and the skull splinters had driven themselves into the wall of the house he crashed into.
 
Not true, if you dont wear a seatbelt you are a potential projectile.

Even without a seatbelt parts of your body can become projectiles.

When my brother worked as an army medic he had to do shifts with the red cross, he told me of a car accident in which someones head was smashed apart on the weel after crashing into a house at 180 km/h and the skull splinters had driven themselves into the wall of the house he crashed into.

Car insurance exists.
 
Not true, if you dont wear a seatbelt you are a potential projectile.

Even without a seatbelt parts of your body can become projectiles.

When my brother worked as an army medic he had to do shifts with the red cross, he told me of a car accident in which someones head was smashed apart on the weel after crashing into a house at 180 km/h and the skull splinters had driven themselves into the wall of the house he crashed into.

I'm a very liberty oriented individual, and I don't think there can exist a crime without a victim, however I'm quite on the fence on this issue. I don't know the statistics, but if people without seatbelts very regularly become projectiles and dramatically increase the risk to others, I can understand the argument for them. However it should definitely never be more than a very modest fine, and never the possibility of any kind of jail time.

My decision hinges entirely on the becoming-a-projectile factor, and does not even take into consideration the self-damage done. The state should never legislate to protect one from himself, only to protect one from another. Honestly I'd rather seen it handled outside of government, like "If you crash and don't wear your seatbelt, your life insurance and car insurance won't pay your family a dime".
 
I'm a very liberty oriented individual, and I don't think there can exist a crime without a victim, however I'm quite on the fence on this issue. I don't know the statistics, but if people without seatbelts very regularly become projectiles and dramatically increase the risk to others, I can understand the argument for them. However it should definitely never be more than a very modest fine, and never the possibility of any kind of jail time.

I know the statistics here, car accident fatalities decreased by 70% after the interduction of seatbelt regulations.

There are alot of things that people dont know about how dangerous certain behavior can be when driving.

When driving at 80 km/h and looking at the cellphone for 1 second, you pass a distance of 120 meters on which you dont look at the road.

At which you can potentialy crash into pritty much anything, from a deer to a child jumping on the road.

And if you drive without a seatbelt and crash, the airbag is often what kills you, the extreme pressure and speed with which it forces itself against your rapedly approaching chest, breaks your ribbs and crushes your ribcage.

After which you painfully suffercate on your own blood.
 
Not true, if you dont wear a seatbelt you are a potential projectile.

Even with a seatbelt parts of your body can become projectiles.

When my brother worked as an army medic he had to do shifts with the red cross, he told me of a car accident in which someones head was smashed apart on the steering wheel after crashing into a house at 180 km/h and the skull splinters had driven themselves into the wall of the house he crashed into.

What about all the stuff that can be in the back of a pickup? Wood, tools, concrete blocks, rebar rods, whatever. They will potentially do a TON more damage then a flying body - assuming the latter works it's way outside of a window.
Plus, what about objects inside the car? Golf clubs, suitcases, whatever?

And with (I believe) every new car equipped with air bags, how is the body going to get out? I think it is extremely unlikely (though anything is possible) that unbelted humans would fly through windows with lethal force with modern cars equipped with front and side impact air bags.

Here is an example where they definitely did not:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...laws-consenting-adults-21.html#post1062865135
 
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I know the statistics here, car accident fatalities decreased by 70% after the interduction of seatbelt regulations.

There are alot of things that people dont know about how dangerous certain behavior can be when driving.

When driving at 80 km/h and looking at the cellphone for 1 second, you pass a distance of 120 meters on which you dont look at the road.

At which you can potentialy crash into pritty much anything, from a deer to a child jumping on the road.

And if you drive without a seatbelt and crash, the airbag is often what kills you, the extreme pressure and speed with which it forces itself against your rapedly approaching chest, breaks your ribbs and crushes your ribcage.

After which you painfully suffercate on your own blood.

I added some to my original post which you didn't get, but I don't think the self-injury argument should be used because the government should never legislate to protect people from themselves, only to protect people from other people. I think there might be enough evidence for the later case, but as I stated, I'd rather see it handled outside of the government, like insurances not paying out if you don't wear your seatbelt. (which is probably already the case). What's scarier, the thought that you might get a little ticket, or the thought that your family won't get your life insurance check if you die without the seatbelt?
 
Car insurance exists.

What a meaningless phrase.


Horses exist!

The sky exists!

Hair exist!

Windows exist!



Are you to incompentent to produce meaningfull phrases?
 
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