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Will obamacare make dem's lose senate

Will obamacare cost dems the senate


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I think it will somewhat balance out with the shutdown. Republicans were blamed for the shutdown more than he Democrats were. (From surveys by pollsters)
 
This is really interesting and really hopeful for anti dems like me.


"For Democrats, the politics of the health care law are creating a death spiral of their own. For the White House to protect its signature initiative, it needs to maintain a Democratic Senate majority past 2015. But to do so, Majority Leader Harry Reid needs to insulate vulnerable battleground-state Democrats, who are all too eager to propose their own fixes to the law that may be politically satisfying, but could undermine the fundamentals of the law.
Race-by-race polling conducted over the last month has painted a grim picture of the difficult environment Senate Democrats are facing next year. In Louisiana, a new state survey showed Landrieu's approval rating is now underwater; she tallied only 41 percent of the vote against her GOP opposition. In Arkansas, where advertising on the health care law began early, Sen. Mark Pryor's approval sank to 33 percent, a drop of 18 points since last year. A new Quinnipiac survey showed Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado, who looked like a lock for reelection last month, in a dead heat against little-known GOP opponents. Even a Democratic automated poll from Public Policy Polling showed Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina running neck-and-neck against Republican opposition, with her job disapproval spiking over the last two months. These are the types of numbers that wave elections are made of.


For Democrats, the politics of the health care law are creating a death spiral of their own. For the White House to protect its signature initiative, it needs to maintain a Democratic Senate majority past 2015. But to do so, Majority Leader Harry Reid needs to insulate vulnerable battleground-state Democrats, who are all too eager to propose their own fixes to the law that may be politically satisfying, but could undermine the fundamentals of the law.
Race-by-race polling conducted over the last month has painted a grim picture of the difficult environment Senate Democrats are facing next year. In Louisiana, a new state survey showed Landrieu's approval rating is now underwater; she tallied only 41 percent of the vote against her GOP opposition. In Arkansas, where advertising on the health care law began early, Sen. Mark Pryor's approval sank to 33 percent, a drop of 18 points since last year. A new Quinnipiac survey showed Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado, who looked like a lock for reelection last month, in a dead heat against little-known GOP opponents. Even a Democratic automated poll from Public Policy Polling showed Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina running neck-and-neck against Republican opposition, with her job disapproval spiking over the last two months. These are the types of numbers that wave elections are made of.

The Dems are definitely weakened and vulnerable. I'd say they might lose the senate IF the Republicans had learned their lesson from the last several years. Unfortunately, they are keeping on keepin' on with the same ol' same ol', which is more unpopular than Obamacare.

STILL there are loose Republican tongues about women's issues. STILL there are moves to force women to have object rapes in order to have a legal procedure done. STILL there are talks and bills about forcing others to do their bidding on social issues (abortion, gay marriages, marijuana), all of which is to STOP others from doing something or FORCE others to do something their way. They have strong feelings about those things. Fine. But most of the country disagrees with them. And that costs votes in some areas. And now, finally, we have a Republican proposal for healthcare reform, and it contains an increase in taxes for the middle class, as well as a mandatory provision of sorts (it's not called that, but you may never be able to purchase insurance again if you choose to go without it for one year, so that's a mandatory provision). That's their answer to Obamacare? It won't be popular.

And so it goes.
 
The Dems are definitely weakened and vulnerable. I'd say they might lose the senate IF the Republicans had learned their lesson from the last several years. Unfortunately, they are keeping on keepin' on with the same ol' same ol', which is more unpopular than Obamacare.

STILL there are loose Republican tongues about women's issues. STILL there are moves to force women to have object rapes in order to have a legal procedure done. STILL there are talks and bills about forcing others to do their bidding on social issues (abortion, gay marriages, marijuana), all of which is to STOP others from doing something or FORCE others to do something their way. They have strong feelings about those things. Fine. But most of the country disagrees with them. And that costs votes in some areas. And now, finally, we have a Republican proposal for healthcare reform, and it contains an increase in taxes for the middle class, as well as a mandatory provision of sorts (it's not called that, but you may never be able to purchase insurance again if you choose to go without it for one year, so that's a mandatory provision). That's their answer to Obamacare? It won't be popular.

And so it goes.

Maybe if the Republicans keep harping on the "social conservative" issues you speak of, and the Democrats are seen as the party of big government, the voters will get tired of them both and elect some libertarians.

Probably not, but we can dream, can't we?
 
The problem that Republicans have is their core base is so hung up on cultural issues that they have a tendency to vote for total nut jobs in the primaries, and kill their chances in statewide federal elections. It seems like they may do this again in 2014 and possibly cost themselves the senate yet again. Time will tell.
 
This will not help dems keep the senate.


"As the deadline for 2014 enrollment nears, Obamacare is increasingly growing unpopular, especially among the uninsured. A new Kaiser Family Foundation survey finds that about twice as many uninsured people have an unfavorable view of the health-care law than have a favorable one.

Among the uninsured, 47 percent view Obamacare in a negative light versus the 24 percent who view it favorably. That’s a change from 43 percent who viewed it unfavorably last month, and 36 percent who viewed it favorably. Overall, half of Americans view Obamacare unfavorably, while just over one-third have a positive take on the law. ​

More of the uninsured also said Obamacare made them worse off (39 percent) than improved their situation (26 percent), according to the poll"


Obamacare's Unpopularity Rises Among Uninsured | National Review Online
 
If they actually work the bugs out of the ACA…

If you're going to base anything on such a ridiculous fantasy as this, why not go all the way with it.

Instead of believing that there is any way that the ObamaCare scam will ever be “fixed” so that it actually has a positive effect rather than a destructive effect, why don't you just make up some fantasy that is based on magical faeries riding in on unicorns, waving their magic wands over us, and magically ending all illness, injury, poverty, war, crime, and other causes of human suffering? I'll even let you include, in such a fantasy, some way that the Democrats get to take credit for it.
 
Maybe if the Republicans keep harping on the "social conservative" issues you speak of, and the Democrats are seen as the party of big government, the voters will get tired of them both and elect some libertarians.

Probably not, but we can dream, can't we?

I would love to see Libertarians in control at the federal level.

Though I have some significant disagreement with some policies that unavoidably follow from pure libertarianism, I expect that any libertarian will agree with me that those areas where I am in disagreement with libertarian polices are areas where, per the Tenth Amendment, the federal government has no business being involved anyway.

But realistically, don't see any gain from voting for libertarians. The fact is that there are two parties in power. Whatever strengthens one of these parties weakens the other, and whatever weakens one, strengthens the other.

It's terrible that the situation must be looked at in such a negative way,but really, at this point, the important thing is to weaken the Democratic party, in order to limit the damage that they can do, and to try to undo as much as possible of the damage that they have already done. The ObamaCare scandal is really the key to all of this.
 
If they actually work the bugs out of the ACA that soon, then it will be the Republicans who will take a hit, but, then, they'll start convincing the voters that the whole thing was their idea, or that the fixes were all made by Republicans.

If it remains the mess it is now, then it will be the Democrats who take a hit, but, they'll blame the Republicans for the continued mess.

and, whether the Senate remains Democrat or goes Republican, nothing much will change. The same BS will continue to issue from Congress, and that august body will continue to earn single digit approval ratings.

This (bold mine). There was a recent story about a bill the Republicans proposed to fix problems with the ACA, and I saw the writing on the wall. Much of the rhetoric has been that the Republicans' greatest fear of Democrats passing a health insurance overhaul bill is that the Republicans would be unelectable for the next two generations, which I always thought was nonsense because there would be nothing to stop them from just taking credit for it anyway.
 
This (bold mine). There was a recent story about a bill the Republicans proposed to fix problems with the ACA, and I saw the writing on the wall.

In fact it was their idea.

It's Romneycare .. AND, it was designed by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation.

It was designed to thwart the call for single-payer .. which is exactly why Obama reached for it.

It's Romney 'Mr. 47%' Care.
 
I would love to see Libertarians in control at the federal level.

Though I have some significant disagreement with some policies that unavoidably follow from pure libertarianism, I expect that any libertarian will agree with me that those areas where I am in disagreement with libertarian polices are areas where, per the Tenth Amendment, the federal government has no business being involved anyway.

But realistically, don't see any gain from voting for libertarians. The fact is that there are two parties in power. Whatever strengthens one of these parties weakens the other, and whatever weakens one, strengthens the other.

It's terrible that the situation must be looked at in such a negative way,but really, at this point, the important thing is to weaken the Democratic party, in order to limit the damage that they can do, and to try to undo as much as possible of the damage that they have already done. The ObamaCare scandal is really the key to all of this.

You seem to think that there really is a big difference between the Tweedledeeblicans and the Tweedledumocrats. If you listen to their rhetoric, I can see how you would come to that conclusion. Watching what they do, however, is likely to lead to quite a different conclusion.

The maddening thing is that, if you actually list issues, most voters would agree with the libertarian stance that:
the purpose of government is to protect our rights, not to protect us from ourselves,
the government is not in control of the economy, or at least, shouldn't be.
the second amendment means what it says,
if you don't like abortion, don't get one,
if you disagree with gay marriage, don't enter into one,
your freedom ends where my nose begins,
trying to be the world's cop is not in our best interests,
the central government is bigger and more powerful than it needs to be,
the war on drugs is not working,

and probably several more I can't think of right now.
 
In fact it was their idea.

It's Romneycare .. AND, it was designed by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation.

It was designed to thwart the call for single-payer .. which is exactly why Obama reached for it.

It's Romney 'Mr. 47%' Care.

And gone will be the "Not one Republican voted for the bill!" cry we hear in most of these discussions.
 
Not if you pay attention to Gov. Beshear in Kentucky.
I'm promoting him to #1 challenger to Hillary.
Steve is far more popular than McConnell or surprisingly Paul in KY, who are barely above BHO.
McConnell may need some KY when Grimes and Beshear get done with him .
You may be right, the senate hinges on what happens in the coming months with obamacare. So far it looks like it will just get worse.
 
You seem to think that there really is a big difference between the Tweedledeeblicans and the Tweedledumocrats. If you listen to their rhetoric, I can see how you would come to that conclusion. Watching what they do, however, is likely to lead to quite a different conclusion.

The maddening thing is that, if you actually list issues, most voters would agree with the libertarian stance that:
the purpose of government is to protect our rights, not to protect us from ourselves,
the government is not in control of the economy, or at least, shouldn't be.
the second amendment means what it says,
if you don't like abortion, don't get one,
if you disagree with gay marriage, don't enter into one,
your freedom ends where my nose begins,
trying to be the world's cop is not in our best interests,
the central government is bigger and more powerful than it needs to be,
the war on drugs is not working,

and probably several more I can't think of right now.

I tend to agree but right now I hate dems more than reps. Sad that it has come to that but there it is.
 
it should. My insurance was one of the best, now it is barely a turd
 
In fact it was their idea.

It's Romneycare .. AND, it was designed by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation.

It was designed to thwart the call for single-payer
.. which is exactly why Obama reached for it.

It's Romney 'Mr. 47%' Care.

Can you source that? News to me.
 
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