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Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 42.4%
  • No

    Votes: 32 48.5%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 6 9.1%

  • Total voters
    66
Why don't you find out then instead of shooting the messenger?
Black president? I'm assuming that's it, and the promise of hope and change. He certainly hasn't contributed anything positive to the stability of the world. He's awesome at expanding domestic spy operations though. Nobel spy prize!

And then you go into a tirade on the President doing his job, one that is always overlapped with the previous POTUS.
With no blame to Bush-43, who overlapped with Clinton and so on .

Doing his job? Didn't he take an oath to protect the constitution?
As for Bush, I have no love for him, but if Obama is going to blame bush every other second, the least he can do is try not to follow suit every other second.
 
Just like Julian Assange and Bradley Manning, there are no rewards for telling people what they need to know today! What I find dispiriting is that in a very similar example 40 years ago: Daniel Ellsberg's publication of the Pentagon Papers, the substance of Ellsbergs copied documents were known by more people and discussed in the mainstream news media. Today, the MSM is a joke run by corporate owners of the media and almost devoid of real news content....Justin Bieber....I rest my case!
 
Doing his job? Didn't he take an oath to protect the constitution?
You have your opinion on that, I have mine.
As for Bush, I have no love for him, but if Obama is going to blame bush every other second, the least he can do is try not to follow suit every other second.
There was no blame for Mr. Bush in my post.Why do you turn right back to trashing Mr. Obama ?
 
You have your opinion on that, I have mine.
There was no blame for Mr. Bush in my post.Why do you turn right back to trashing Mr. Obama ?

Because one guy did one thing, called war criminal and enemy of the people
Another guy does the exact same thing, given a nobel peace prize and the champion of the American people.

Odd isn't it?
 
When was the Nobel Peace Prize given to Mr. Obama, before or after you say he was a war criminal ?
Because one guy did one thing, called war criminal and enemy of the people
Another guy does the exact same thing, given a nobel peace prize and the champion of the American people.

Odd isn't it?
 
Another issue very conservative people and social democrats like me can agree on. Hell no on a Nobel peace prize for Snowden, betraying your country like that and hiding in Russia does not make a man who has done something outstanding to promote peace in the world.

The NSA and those who authorized them to spy on Americans are basically wiping their asshole clean with the 4th amendment and Snowden is the traitor?
 
Maybe Pukin can trot out Snowden during the Winter Olympics and you can applaud.
Like you did for the soldier last night that Mr. Obama honored.
Were you this outraged when Cheney wiped his asshole, using your words, with the 4th amendment?
The NSA and those who authorized them to spy on Americans are basically wiping their asshole clean with the 4th amendment and Snowden is the traitor?
 
Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

(he has been nominated, apparently)

I say yes he deserves the Nobel Peace prize, but I am sure there are more deserving people out there.
 
Maybe Pukin can trot out Snowden during the Winter Olympics and you can applaud.
Like you did for the soldier last night that Mr. Obama honored.
Were you this outraged when Cheney wiped his asshole, using your words, with the 4th amendment?

Since you are spewing bull **** then that means you do not wish to answer the question.
 
This would be a far more impressive post if he hadn't fled to one of the most dictatorial and repressive countries on the face of the earth with his little bag of goodies. A country that locks up rock and roll singers and homosexuals - yeah, I can see why Snowden went there. I'm sure they aren't at all interested in the intelligence windfall he brought with him.

Given his fears of being killed, which are very legitimate, I can see why he chose Moscow. And...Moscow was not where he wanted to end up. Deals had been brokered for him in Iceland and Ecuador however he was forced to stay in Moscow due to passport issues. I would suggest there was nothing Snowden could give them that the he had not already given the world. He had provided the entirety of the documentation he took to the media by this time.

I don't really buy into the Russian connection honestly. I think it's a safe haven of sorts for him, as his alternative is life in prison or death.
 
There was ample forewarning for 9/11. It never should have been allowed to happen. The USA was warned by Germany, Russia, Israel, and France and those are just the foreign that warned us. Our own Intelligence Agencies had more information.

Outstanding point! 9/11 was horrific but it was preventable. A lack of communication, priority, and action are what caused the breakdown in national security here. Not a lack of intelligence gathering efforts domestically and abroad. Our intelligence community had the information. The Bush administration and intelligence/law enforcement/military leadership failed to understand the imminent nature and act on it. While Clinton took Bin Laden and international terrorism more seriously than Bush did prior to 9/11 he didn't take it seriously enough. Recommendation from U.S. counter terrorism and intelligence assets had been largely neglected. The information was gathered, it was just not taken seriously enough.

9/11 nor the subsequent "Global War on Terror" are justification for the breach of our liberties and the principles that allegedly identify this country. And the arrogance of "if other countries don't like the U.S. then **** 'em...who needs 'em?" is both ignorant and self destructive. Denying the history of U.S. foreign policy and it's impact on large parts of the world is to expose ourselves to generations of enemies.
 
NO. Better than that, HELL NO. We're talking about an individual who committed a crime under US law and who put USServicemen and women in danger because of it.

I don't think he should win but who did he put in danger?
 
Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?

(he has been nominated, apparently)

I think Snowden should eventually receive an amnesty (not right now) and that his acts have served a greater good (unlike Manning). However I just have to imagine that there are more worthy choices out there that directly relate to the maintenance of peace and avoidance of bloodshed. Even someone like Francois Hollande who I'd wager has saved more lives by his decision to dispatch troops to Bangui than Snowden ever has or will. It just doesn't seem like an award that fits in my mind.
 
I think Snowden should eventually receive an amnesty (not right now) and that his acts have served a greater good (unlike Manning). However I just have to imagine that there are more worthy choices out there that directly relate to the maintenance of peace and avoidance of bloodshed. Even someone like Francois Hollande who I'd wager has saved more lives by his decision to dispatch troops to Bangui than Snowden ever has or will. It just doesn't seem like an award that fits in my mind.

You make a good point. I think it's one of those things while he didn't necessarily save any lives, he might have a significant impact on peaceful future relations between the U.S. and others. Possibly. It's a long shot. And I'm grasping for the reasoning, but if his actions were to result in these blatantly over reaching programs to be rolled back and oriented in a way that doesn't result in us violating our citizens privacy or that of citizens of other countries then this could be, in a sense, disarming an international time bomb. Or at least containing the damage.

I don't know. Like I said, I'm grasping.

I said yes because I lean more that he should than he shouldn't, if that make sense. But I don't really hold the Nobel Peace Prize in very high regard right now. I'm not an Obama hater but I just don't understand how you give it to him. It "cheapens" it to me I guess.
 
And you believe him? Who has these files again?

He reportedly turned it all over to the Washington Post and Guardian. There is no reason for him to keep them. If you're going to sell them or give them to the enemy then you just do that. You don't give them over to the media first. What would be the point? I can promise you the Chinese or the Russians could get that info from those news organizations a lot easier than they could get it from inside NSA.

Short answer, he has no reason to lie.
 
Short answer, he has no reason to lie.

This is very crucial. He's been living in exile, in less than desirable circumstances. Someday he might make some money on a book deal...but as of now, he has yet to gain anything from this aside from a target on his head. He did not do this for personal gain. It was to help the American people and the world understand the insidious nature of their government, and the extent of their overreach.
 
The NSA and those who authorized them to spy on Americans are basically wiping their asshole clean with the 4th amendment and Snowden is the traitor?

What he made public might deserve to be public, but he as a person, someone who signed his name to a document in which he promised that he would keep what he saw secret and then betrayed his employer and the oath he took/signed.
 
What he made public might deserve to be public, but he as a person, someone who signed his name to a document in which he promised that he would keep what he saw secret and then betrayed his employer and the oath he took/signed.

However there is a breakpoint with regard to that paper you sign, or oath you take. When it becomes apparent that the company you are working for is helping the government breach public trust and undermine the security of this nation (from it's own government), you then do something different...called whistle blowing.
 
What he made public might deserve to be public, but he as a person, someone who signed his name to a document in which he promised that he would keep what he saw secret and then betrayed his employer and the oath he took/signed.

Last I checked elected officials take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
 
My vote is that he should win a couple of decades of residence in his own private room, with all of his meals and living expenses paid for by the federal government.
 
My vote is that he should win a couple of decades of residence in his own private room, with all of his meals and living expenses paid for by the federal government.

Stick it to the 53% who actually pay individual income taxes.
 
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