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Do you support school choice?

Do you support school choice?


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Sounds good, just let them opt out of taxes paying for other kids.

I agree.

I also agree with open enrollment in respect to public schools, but with a caveat.

Better performing public schools are frequently better performing because they're situated in more affluent communities where higher property taxes allow for greater school funding.

If a family from a less affluent community wants to avail themselves of open enrollment then they should be required to pay whatever per capita portion of property taxes it is that the more affluent community allots to its public schools.

Just as a "for instance", the average property tax burden in Passaic County NJ is a hair over $8000 a year.

I live in, and deliberately bought in, a community with among the most highly ranked K-8 public school systems in Passaic County and in NJ.

In an average year $8500 of my property taxes goes to the school system so I'm paying a greater share of taxes just for these good schools than the average Passaic County homeowner is paying in total.

I have no problem letting other kids into the school system, so long as my neighbors and I aren't footing the bill for them to attend.
 
You say poorer families should pay more to come to richer schools.
The poor schools are poorer because of lower property values.
Got catch-22 ?
I agree.

I also agree with open enrollment in respect to public schools, but with a caveat.

Better performing public schools are frequently better performing because they're situated in more affluent communities where higher property taxes allow for greater school funding.

If a family from a less affluent community wants to avail themselves of open enrollment then they should be required to pay whatever per capita portion of property taxes it is that the more affluent community allots to its public schools.

Just as a "for instance", the average property tax burden in Passaic County NJ is a hair over $8000 a year.

I live in, and deliberately bought in, a community with among the most highly ranked K-8 public school systems in Passaic County and in NJ.

In an average year $8500 of my property taxes goes to the school system so I'm paying a greater share of taxes just for these good schools than the average Passaic County homeowner is paying in total.

I have no problem letting other kids into the school system, so long as my neighbors and I aren't footing the bill for them to attend.
 
Do you support school choice?

Yes
Yes but with certain exceptions. Please list those exceptions.
no, students should only go to schools in their public school district.
other
maybe


School choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Open enrollment

Open enrollment refers to educational policies which allow residents of a state to enroll their children in any public school, provided the school has not reached its maximum capacity number for students, regardless of the school district in which a family resides.
Open enrollment can be either intra-district or inter-district. Intra-district choice allows parents to send their children to any school within their designated district. Parents can enroll their children in schools outside of their catchment area. Inter-district school choice allows parents to select public schools outside of their resident district.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Inequality of Open Enrollment

An open enrollment policy allows parents to choose the school they want their children to attend from any of the schools in their area, provided there is space for them. This definition gives the impression that everyone has an equal opportunity to choose a school, but the reality of such equality has been called into question.[SUP][2][/SUP] For example, in rural areas the option of taking advantage of open enrollment is greatly diminished because of limited access to alternate schools.


Vouchers

Main article: School voucher
When the government pays tuition to a private school on behalf of the parents, this is usually referred to as a voucher. A voucher is given to the family for them to spend at any school of their choice for their child's study. The two most common voucher designs are universal vouchers and means-tested vouchers. Means-tested vouchers are directed towards low-income families and constitute the bulk of voucher plans in the United States.
Tuition tax credits

A tuition tax credit is similar to most other familiar tax credits. Certain states allow individuals and/or businesses to deduct a certain amount of their income taxes to donate to education. Depending on the program, these donations can either go to a public school or to a School Tuition Organization (STO), or both. The donations that go to public schools are often used to help pay for after-school programs, schools trips, or school supplies. The donations that go to School Tuition Organizations are used by the STO to create scholarships that are then given to students. These programs currently exist in Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island in the United States.[SUP][8][/SUP]
Charter schools

Main article: Charter school
Charter schools are public schools with more relaxed rules and regulations. These relaxed rules tend to deal with things like Teacher Union contracts and state curriculum. The majority of states (and the District of Columbia) have charter school laws. Minnesota was the first state to have a charter school law and the first charter school in the United States, City Academy High School, opened in St. Paul, Minnesota in 1992.[SUP][9][/SUP]
Dayton, Ohio has between 22–26% of all children in charter schools.[SUP][10][/SUP] This is the highest percentage in the nation. Other hotbeds for charter schools are Kansas City (24%), Washington, D.C. (20-24%) and Arizona. Almost 1 in 4 public schools in Arizona are charter schools, comprising about 8% of total enrollment.
Charter schools can also come in the form of Cyber Charters. Cyber charter schools deliver the majority of their instruction over the internet instead of in a school building. And, like charter schools, they are public schools, but free of many of the rules and regulations that public schools must follow.
Magnet schools

Main article: Magnet school
Magnet schools are public schools that often have a specialized function like science, technology or art. These magnet schools, unlike charter schools, are not open to all children. Much like many private schools, there are some (but not all) magnet schools that require a test to get in.
Home schooling

Main article: Homeschooling
"Home education" or "home schooling" is instruction in a child's home, or provided primarily by a parent, or under direct parental control. Informal home education has always taken place, and formal instruction in the home has at times also been very popular. As public education grew in popularity during the 1900s, however, the number of people educated at home using a planned curriculum dropped. In the last 20 years, in contrast, the number of children being formally educated at home has grown tremendously, in particular in the United States. The laws relevant to home education differ throughout the country. In some states the parent simply needs to notify the state that the child will be educated at home. In other states the parents are not free to educate at home unless at least one parent is a certified teacher and yearly progress reports are reviewed by the state. Such laws are not always enforced however. According to the federal government, about 1.1 million children were home educated in 2003.[SUP][11][/SUP]




I do support school choice.The future of our kids is more important than any job security of any teacher. We can not wait until they fix **** at the local level while our children's education suffers because unions do not want to allow us to easily fire bad teachers or reform their teaching programs. Plus the tax dollars used to educate that child should follow that child regardless if that child goes to a public school,charter school or a voucher for a private school.

I oppose vouchers, but other than that, sure. In fact, I would love to see more "magnet schools", including potentially some public ones. They can be a great way to give kids a head start in a chosen field.
 
Do you support parents taking their taxes to the private schools?
do you support giving these parents even more money beyond their taxes?
do you support the lowering of already low wages in the countryside for teachers with privatization?

I support a full voucher system, where every child is assigned an education voucher, and the parents can select any of the public or private schools in the area.
 
Where does the money for the voucher come from ?
I support a full voucher system, where every child is assigned an education voucher, and the parents can select any of the public or private schools in the area.
 
I support a full voucher system, where every child is assigned an education voucher, and the parents can select any of the public or private schools in the area.

I sort of agree. I think all schools should be accredited so that we can be sure they provide a decent education that a state college would accept without remedial classes provided the student makes adequate grades.

If you don't than a lot of scams are going to pop up and a lot of parents aren't knowledgeable enough to tell the difference.
 
Where does the money for the voucher come from ?

Taxes, the same place it comes from now.

I sort of agree. I think all schools should be accredited so that we can be sure they provide a decent education that a state college would accept without remedial classes provided the student makes adequate grades.

If you don't than a lot of scams are going to pop up and a lot of parents aren't knowledgeable enough to tell the difference.

I agree 100%. To be eligible to accept the voucher an institution would have to be accredited. Not any yahoo can open a school and start collecting checks.
 
I would think that you vote on local funds that are dedicated for schools, but I can only presume that you also get state funds which theoretically could follow the student, and federal funds which also could theoretically follow the student. Perhaps it is those funds which could follow the student and if there is any difference between the local school option for parents, then they could either pay or get back the difference.

Perhaps this could be one of those compromise thingies people keep referring to.
Fed money is only 2% of our budget and pays for Fed programs. I somehow doubt a (normal) private school will have JROTC, for example. I'd bet private schools with those Fed programs already get Fed money. I'm pretty sure Wentworth Military Academy gets Fed money and it's private.
 
Taxes, the same place it comes from now..

States and the Federal government are in debt, from what I hear from the GOP.
Yet they want another government program .
 
States and the Federal government are in debt, from what I hear from the GOP.
Yet they want another government program .

First, I'm not the GOP. Second, this program would not add any significant amount of debt. All it does is allow the money that would be spent on a child in public school be used in another public school, or a private school. The same amount of money is being spent on the same child's education.
 
You're not concerned with increased short-term debt for schools that lose money, budgets that have been planned out for years .
First, I'm not the GOP. Second, this program would not add any significant amount of debt. All it does is allow the money that would be spent on a child in public school be used in another public school, or a private school. The same amount of money is being spent on the same child's education.
 
You're not concerned with increased short-term debt for schools that lose money, budgets that have been planned out for years .

Welcome to the market.
 
Fed money is only 2% of our budget and pays for Fed programs. I somehow doubt a (normal) private school will have JROTC, for example. I'd bet private schools with those Fed programs already get Fed money. I'm pretty sure Wentworth Military Academy gets Fed money and it's private.

A whole lot of info that doesn't really address my point. In my school district, revenues were $18,000 per student. Of that 79.5% ($14,292) was local, 18.5% ($3325) was state and 2% was federal ($359) was federal. Why couldn't the $3684 ($3325+$359) follow the student where ever they may attend school (assuming in the same state)?
 
You're not concerned with increased short-term debt for schools that lose money, budgets that have been planned out for years .

No, I'm not. Schools need to strive to be competitive so that people will want to send their kids there. Sending kids to substandard schools and rob them of an education screws them for life.
 
So you're not on the ground dealing with real-life school situations .
No, I'm not.
Schools need to strive to be competitive so that people will want to send their kids there.
Have you been involved with the school changes since the 1970's with SLO's heading into Madeline Hunter's Theory of Learning?
Sending kids to substandard schools and rob them of an education screws them for life.

Do you have any idea what disadvantages these screwed kids have coming from home?
 
So you're not on the ground dealing with real-life school situations . Have you been involved with the school changes since the 1970's with SLO's heading into Madeline Hunter's Theory of Learning?

Do you have any idea what disadvantages these screwed kids have coming from home?

Is that really your question? Why, YES, I have been involved with school changes since the 1970's, especially with SLO's and even Madeline Hunter's Theory of Learning!

You're just a statist that wants to prevent parents from selecting their kids schools.
 
Yes, within reason. I think there ought to be a minimum national curriculum that every school, public, private and home, is required to teach. They can teach other things but these are things that must be taught in order for a child to be considered educated. There are no exceptions. I think every student ought to be required at least once per year to go to a public school and take national placement tests to ensure they are actually learning this material. Any home schooled student that fails this test by a significant degree will not be permitted to be homeschooled any longer.
 
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a dirty evil authoritarian statist.

Of course not, but in this case it just might be. If children in a poor neighborhood can't get a proper education because the local school is abysmal, why shouldn't they be able to go to another school? Why would you want to force someone into that?
 
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