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If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

Your vote would be?

  • Ban guns

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Constitutional carry

    Votes: 24 100.0%
  • Total voters
    24
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So if you could cast a vote during an election that would either completly ban guns and remove the 2nd amendment from the consititution or make constitutional carry the law of the land in all 50 states ( I.E. do you not need a permit to CC or OC a gun). Which way would you vote?
 
cpgrad08 said:
So if you could cast a vote during an election that would either completly ban guns and remove the 2nd amendment from the consititution or make constitutional carry the law of the land in all 50 states ( I.E. do you not need a permit to CC or OC a gun). Which way would you vote?
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Ill pass, both are ridiculous extremes and I don't think either would productively solve any problems with guns.
 
Wiseone said:
Ill pass, both are ridiculous extremes and I don't think either would productively solve any problems with guns.
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Wiseone said:
Ill pass, both are ridiculous extremes and I don't think either would productively solve any problems with guns.
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Really?

Arizona has been a Constitutional Carry state since 2010 with no ill effects. In fact, in 2012 we saw the lowest homicide rate we've had since 1965.
Arizona Crime Rates 1960 - 2012
 
Neither. It's a stupid poll that only goes to the extremes.
 
I really don't like either extreme, but I guess I'd choose constitutional carry in all 50 states if I had to vote either way.
 
Extremes are where gun-paranoids on dp go with these threads .
 
Cephus said:
Neither. It's a stupid poll that only goes to the extremes.
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It's not that stupid. Right now 6 states are effectively "constitutional carry" and several others have recently proposed legislation to become that way.
 
Lutherf said:
It's not that stupid. Right now 6 states are effectively "constitutional carry" and several others have recently proposed legislation to become that way.
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Which doesn't make it a good idea, just because a couple of states have done it.
 
Lutherf said:
Really?

Arizona has been a Constitutional Carry state since 2010 with no ill effects. In fact, in 2012 we saw the lowest homicide rate we've had since 1965.
Arizona Crime Rates 1960 - 2012
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Correlation doesn't equate to causation, but even if it did here then I'd say what worked in Arizona may not work elsewhere
 
NIMBY said:
Extremes are where gun-paranoids on dp go with these threads .
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Extremes are where you find your actual beliefs.
 
I wouldnt vote cuz both these options suck.
 
Lutherf said:
The increase in violent crime is miniscule and all three years are STILL less than any year since 1971.
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That's because all crime has gone down dramatically in the past 20 years.
 
Wiseone said:
Correlation doesn't equate to causation, but even if it did here then I'd say what worked in Arizona may not work elsewhere
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Well, if you look at the crime stats for the states that are Constitutional Carry you won't see any of them with a significant increase in homicide or violent crime since the law passed.

Maybe it wouldn't work everywhere but it hasn't been tried everywhere yet and in the places where it has been tried it doesn't seem to do any harm.
 
Lutherf said:
Well, if you look at the crime stats for the states that are Constitutional Carry you won't see any of them with a significant increase in homicide or violent crime since the law passed.

Maybe it wouldn't work everywhere but it hasn't been tried everywhere yet and in the places where it has been tried it doesn't seem to do any harm.
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Most states with Constitutional carry have only implemented in the last year or two except for Alaska, which did it in 2003, and Vermont which has had it since it was a state. Since implementing the law Alaska has seen only one year with a higher murder rate than the year of the ban, but unlike Arizona where you can say it has its lowest murder rate since 1965 Alaska had a lower rate in 2009

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

But regardless I still say there's a lot more than one single thing that affects crime, including murder, rates so even if the data seemed to favor the argument that the Constitutional Carry didn't help the murder problem I wouldn't post it.
 
Lutherf said:
The increase in violent crime is miniscule and all three years are STILL less than any year since 1971.
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Right. They went up. So your no ill effects statement, by your own data, is false.
 
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