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If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

Your vote would be?

  • Ban guns

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Constitutional carry

    Votes: 24 100.0%
  • Total voters
    24
scatt said:
Yep. Try asking specifics.
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No you didn't.

I'll add a bit more: How does choosing an extreme reflect what your actual beliefs are? I can guarantee you that I'm for regulation of firearms, but I'd rather have Constitutional Carry than a gun ban. (I'd argue than a gun ban is more extreme than Constitutional Carry)
 
Robbie Loucks said:
I'll add a bit more: How does choosing an extreme reflect what your actual beliefs are?
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Again, the extremes are where you find out your actual beliefs. Take for instance, theft. Most people agree taking 100 dollars from a poor person is theft, but that number falls drastically when you ask if taking one penny from a billionaire is theft.
 
cpgrad08 said:
So if you could cast a vote during an election that would either completly [sic] ban guns and remove the 2nd amendment from the consititution [sic] or make constitutional carry the law of the land in all 50 states ( I.E. do you not need a permit to CC or OC a gun). Which way would you vote?
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“Constitutional carry” already is the law of the land. The only issue is that government refuses to obey this law. Passing another law, or even ratifying another amendment, will do nothing to convince a government that already refuses to obey the Constitution. The only thing that will ever work is to hold corrupt public servants directly accountable for their malfeasance in this matter.
 
scatt said:
Again, the extremes are where you find out your actual beliefs. Take for instance, theft. Most people agree taking 100 dollars from a poor person is theft, but that number falls drastically when you ask if taking one penny from a billionaire is theft.
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I'm not following your logic here. I have my spot on the firearm regulation spectrum and I don't belong to either extreme of the spectrum. I don't know where you're going with this.
 
Wiseone said:
Ill pass, both are ridiculous extremes and I don't think either would productively solve any problems with guns.
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Cephus said:
Neither. It's a stupid poll that only goes to the extremes.
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NIMBY said:
Extremes are where gun-paranoids on dp go with these threads .
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Obeying the Constitution is not, and never will be “extreme”. It is only the position that willfully disobeys the Constitution that is extreme.

And the Constitution is absolutely clear about the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
 
Robbie Loucks said:
I have my spot on the firearm regulation spectrum and I don't belong to either extreme of the spectrum.
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I am aware of your state intervention political views.
 
scatt said:
I am aware of your state intervention political views.
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Just never mind then, I don't know what point you're trying to get across and your blunt one sentence replies aren't helping. :(
 
I believe you when you say you cannot understand the concept.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Obeying the Constitution is not, and never will be “extreme”. It is only the position that willfully disobeys the Constitution that is extreme.

And the Constitution is absolutely clear about the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
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Disobeying is extreme. Bob has apparently gone so far in his defense of freedom he's taken the burden to define freedom for you.
 
Wiseone said:
Disobeying is extreme.
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Yes, that's what I said. Disobeying the Constitution is the extreme position. And all gun control laws disobey the Constitution; therefore, all gun control laws are extreme.


Wiseone said:
Bob has apparently gone so far in his defense of freedom he's taken the burden to define freedom for you.
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This doesn't appear to mean anything.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Yes, that's what I said. Disobeying the Constitution is the extreme position. And all gun control laws disobey the Constitution; therefore, all gun control laws are extreme.

This doesn't appear to mean anything.
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Taking the opinion that all other positions besides yours are extreme, is an extremist position in and of itself. When you leave no room for compromise, disagreement, discussion, etc, etc, you are an extremist.
 
Wiseone said:
Most states with Constitutional carry have only implemented in the last year or two except for Alaska, which did it in 2003, and Vermont which has had it since it was a state. Since implementing the law Alaska has seen only one year with a higher murder rate than the year of the ban, but unlike Arizona where you can say it has its lowest murder rate since 1965 Alaska had a lower rate in 2009

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

But regardless I still say there's a lot more than one single thing that affects crime, including murder, rates so even if the data seemed to favor the argument that the Constitutional Carry didn't help the murder problem I wouldn't post it.
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But if there's no evidence that it hurts why not allow it?
 
cpgrad08 said:
So if you could cast a vote during an election that would either completly ban guns and remove the 2nd amendment from the consititution or make constitutional carry the law of the land in all 50 states ( I.E. do you not need a permit to CC or OC a gun). Which way would you vote?
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The 2nd amendment already grants us the right to carry without a permit.That said I would vote for another amendment reaffirming that right.But there should be 5-10 year prison sentence for any any elected or appointed officials trying to infringe on that right as well as permanently barring that individual from any future appointed or elected offices..
 
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jamesrage said:
The 2nd amendment already grants us the right to carry without a permit.That said I would vote for another amendment reaffirming that right.But there should be 5-10 year prison sentence for any any elected or appointed officials trying to infringe on that right as well as permanently barring that individual from any future appointed or elected offices..
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Not enough.

Twenty years, minimum, per offense. Consecutive, not concurrent.
 
Does Constitutional Carry include any restrictions on 'where' you can carry?

Or does it just mean that adults dont need a permit to carry concealed?
 
Cephus said:
Which doesn't make it a good idea, just because a couple of states have done it.
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6 states are not an isolated case....that's enough to provide a comparison.

And there havent been any reasons to show that it's 'not a good idea' when compared to states with restrictions.
 
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Balance the budget, end the fed, bring all troops home.
 
Lursa said:
What has the trend been in violent crime rate in all the other states?
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Down. Since the mid-80s, crime has been trending down nation wide. In 2010 alone, the last year I could find data, violent crime (murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault) fell by 5.5% against 2009 figures.
 
DA60 said:
Balance the budget, end the fed, bring all troops home.
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You'll never have that when there are two liberal parties in power.
 
cpgrad08 said:
So if you could cast a vote during an election that would either completly ban guns and remove the 2nd amendment from the consititution or make constitutional carry the law of the land in all 50 states ( I.E. do you not need a permit to CC or OC a gun). Which way would you vote?
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I would abstain, since I don't support either of those things.
 
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