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Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

Is the Media Matters story below fact or fiction?

  • Fact - Glenn Beck reported the woman's story as fact

    Votes: 7 58.3%

  • Fiction - The Media Matters assertion is false. Beck did not report the woman's claim as fact

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
Cardinal said:
Tell me about it. The standards have dropped such that one crap journalist can quote another crap journalist site and that somehow qualifies as news.
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Right. But it's worse then that. It's like catty gossip and there is an agenda behind it. An agenda that only serves the people who personally profit from ratings.
 
Cardinal said:
I consider all news that's reported "as it's available" to be laziness incarnate. Ratings and the need to be the first to release a scoop is why so much inaccuracy gets spread, and it's why such "journalists" have an increasingly terrible reputation. Add to that the need to cater an ideology to your audience and the format becomes utter garbage. And yes, I consider sites like Huffingtonpost and MM to be just as deplorable.

They're all brain rot.
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I think as long as the reporters are clear that it's a breaking story it's acceptable.

But Beck was presenting facts on an opinion show and providing biased commentary, which is fine, but shouldn't be confused with news reporting.
 
My mother, and millions like her, believe every word Beck says. If they know enough to look for the fine print, they watch something else.
Moon said:
I think as long as the reporters are clear that it's a breaking story it's acceptable.

But Beck was presenting facts on an opinion show and providing biased commentary, which is fine, but shouldn't be confused with news reporting.
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Cardinal said:
Tell me about it. The standards have dropped such that one crap journalist can quote another crap journalist site and that somehow qualifies as news.
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I agree with this.
 
Moon said:
I think as long as the reporters are clear that it's a breaking story it's acceptable.
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Right, just as it's also legitimate so long as it's premised under "asking questions." It's no different than fudging the truth so long as you remember to cross your fingers behind your back first. I can't believe literate people who can tie their shoes and remember to put their pants on after their underwear watch this stuff. Unbelievable.
 
mak2 said:
He presented a message with the intent to deceive.
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JFC man, you must be joking. Telling viewers that he hadn't received verification of her claims, and saying that he didn't know if her claims were true, is about as counterproductive to deception as it gets.

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you pretend that those statements are meaningless or that they simply don't exist?
 
Whats JFC?
 
Cardinal said:
Right, just as it's also legitimate so long as it's premised under "asking questions." It's no different than fudging the truth so long as you remember to cross your fingers behind your back first. I can't believe literate people who can tie their shoes and remember to put their pants on after their underwear watch this stuff. Unbelievable.
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Not sure what you mean by "this stuff". The part you quoted was where I referenced news reporting, not opinion shows which I don't watch at all. I do watch the local news.
 
Media Matters is a left wing think tank....No more no less.
 
Moon said:
Not sure what you mean by "this stuff". The part you quoted was where I referenced news reporting, not opinion shows which I don't watch at all. I do watch the local news.
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"This stuff" = Media Matters, Huffpo, Beck, Malkin, 90% of AM radio, etc.

But yes, local news has also very much fallen prey to the lazy journalism I described.
 
mak2 said:
My mother, and millions like her, believe every word Beck says. If they know enough to look for the fine print, they watch something else.
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So when Beck says "we don't know", you don't believe your mother is smart enough to understand that maybe he really doesn't know?
 
Moon said:
So when Beck says "we don't know", you don't believe your mother is smart enough to understand that maybe he really doesn't know?
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"Did Moon really own a sweatshop run entirely by 6 year old children?"

Sadly, it's well understood that such a question already plants the suggestion that you did, regardless of how inappropriate or baseless it may be. That's the state of so much journalism today.
 
Grim17 said:
I hope you've learned just how valuable an education is Pete... and always remember these 2, very important things:

"The mind, it's a terrible thing to waste"

and

Reading is Fundamental
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You are indeed funny Grim. Did you read this:

BECK: OK. Let's see if I have this right. She's -- she never spanked her kids, but she did shoot her husband dead. She doesn't spank her kids, but you can bring in 13-year-old illegal aliens and have them be hookers.

I mean, where do you even begin, America? This is twisted, bizarre, macabre -- I mean, is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But, gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder. And the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know, so everybody in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder.

In fairness, I don't understand people who stay in abusive relationships. I don't. I get it. I get it. And maybe a jury might conclude that it was justifiable homicide. I don't know, but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody's asking questions. See if the mainstream media will follow this one.
 
No, she gets the message Beck is trying to convey. And no, she believes every single word the goof ball says. Millions more are just like her, or he would not have been on a national news network every day. I would be willing to bet you believe almost everything he says, because you are defending him. Just sayin...
Moon said:
So when Beck says "we don't know", you don't believe your mother is smart enough to understand that maybe he really doesn't know?
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Grim17 said:
JFC man, you must be joking. Telling viewers that he hadn't received verification of her claims, and saying that he didn't know if her claims were true, is about as counterproductive to deception as it gets.

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you pretend that those statements are meaningless or that they simply don't exist?
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It's very possible Fox never requested verification of the woman's claims, so they never would have received verification.
 
mak2 said:
My mother, and millions like her, believe every word Beck says. If they know enough to look for the fine print, they watch something else.
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Oh,your mom and my mom should totally hang out, except that mine believes every word of Media Matters. She'll keep forwarding me their emails and I'll say, "Mom, don't you think it's a little weird that not one of these Media Matters stories can be traced back to a legitimate source?" But she won't have any of it.
 
They did not want verification. Even if they had it they wanted to run the story. They did without verification because it fit their agenda.
pbrauer said:
It's very possible Fox never requested verification of the woman's claims, so they never would have received verification.
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But when my Mom goes to Fox it says "Fair and Balanced" all over the screen. My Mom believes that. MM stated mission is to expose RW media lies. That is exactly why they claim to exist. IF MM said they were fair and balanced I would have they exact same problem with them. See the difference?
Cardinal said:
Oh,your mom and my mom should totally hang out, except that mine believes every word of Media Matters. She'll keep forwarding me their emails and I'll say, "Mom, don't you think it's a little weird that not one of these Media Matters stories can be traced back to a legitimate source?" But she won't have any of it.
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mak2 said:
They did not want verification. Even if they had it they wanted to run the story. They did without verification because it fit their agenda.
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Very True. They were smearing ACORN.
 
mak2 said:
But when my Mom goes to Fox it says "Fair and Balanced" all over the screen. My Mom believes that. MM stated mission is to expose RW media lies. That is exactly why they claim to exist. IF MM said they were fair and balanced I would have they exact same problem with them. See the difference?
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Oh god, it's worse than I remember. I just went back to check and it's not Media Matters she's constantly forwarding everything on to me...it's MoveOn.
 
Cardinal said:
Oh,your mom and my mom should totally hang out, except that mine believes every word of Media Matters. She'll keep forwarding me their emails and I'll say, "Mom, don't you think it's a little weird that not one of these Media Matters stories can be traced back to a legitimate source?" But she won't have any of it.
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What do you mean they can't be traced back to the legitimate source?
 
ok sure, I get dozens of emails from crazy RW sites every month, usually from my Mom, but several friends send me emails too. The RW noise machine around here drowns everything else out. I really truly dont believe the lefties have a noise machine, but that might just be becuase of where I live.
Cardinal said:
Oh god, it's worse than I remember. I just went back to check and it's not Media Matters she's constantly forwarding everything on to me...it's MoveOn.
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pbrauer said:
What do you mean they can't be traced back to the legitimate source?
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I mean that there are often no links to a mainstream media source, or the story links only to another MoveOn article, or it links to a separate leftwing blog that links back to MoveOn, or there are simply no links at all. While I think the RW noise machine is a lot louder and more shrill, the leftwing noise machine is pretty damn dumb as well.
 
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