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Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

Is the Media Matters story below fact or fiction?

  • Fact - Glenn Beck reported the woman's story as fact

    Votes: 7 58.3%

  • Fiction - The Media Matters assertion is false. Beck did not report the woman's claim as fact

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
Deuce said:
Yes. The question mark was the giveaway, if you were wondering.
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He asked himself a question and provided the answer. The question was "Did she make the story up", to which he answered "I don't know".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that him saying to his audience "I don't know if what she said on that tape was true"? According to my understanding of the English language, that's not only exactly what he conveyed to his audience, but there is no possibility that it could have been interpreted any other way.

So tell me then... How can Media Matters possibly claim that Beck reported what that woman said on that video tape as factual to his audience? I really want to understand the logic here.

So far, not one person who says the Media Matters story is true, has been able to explain how:

"Beck telling his audience he didn't know if what she said was factual" = "Beck reported the woman's story as factual"
 
opendebate said:
Why even run the story if you haven't been able to confirm it. Good question. What other possible motive could there be????? Hmmmmmm?
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Already answered... Unfortunately though, totally irrelevant to the question posed in the poll.
 
JumpinJack said:
Well, the media matters story that I saw there was relating to several Fox stories on air...Hannity, Van Sustern, Carl Rove. None of which mention Beck, and go on at length about the story, as well as that Acorn worker also discussing other illegal things with the fake prostitute.
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I have a wacky, off the wall suggestion for you... This may sound strange, but try clicking the link I provided on the very first post on this thread... You never know... Maybe, just maybe, there's some mention of Beck in there.

Wadda ya say... Think it's worth a try?

Fox News reports fake murder story from ACORN video as fact | Research | Media Matters for America

So, yes, Fox was reporting a fake story as fact.
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Gee, I'm sorry... But that wasn't the question posed on this thread.

I'm curious, did you even bother to read post #1 and the attached poll question at all, or did you just jump in the middle and decide to wing it?
 
I think his issue is that he has enough people that do not understand how he qualifies his statements so they cannot be called fact.

That is why Becks fiction gets taken as fact or worse, gets re-released by other commentators as fact.

He superpower is throwing crap up against the wall and see what sticks.

But frankly, how is technically not telling a lie - when you clearly were out to seed the brains of your viewers with wrong information a good thing?

Can't tell you how many times in the past (mostly during the Bush years) that I had people quoting his words as truth. They would defend his words with passion.
 
My Mom believes every word he says.
year2late said:
I think his issue is that he has enough people that do not understand how he qualifies his statements so they cannot be called fact.

That is why Becks fiction gets taken as fact or worse, gets re-released by other commentators as fact.

He superpower is throwing crap up against the wall and see what sticks.

But frankly, how is technically not telling a lie - when you clearly were out to seed the brains of your viewers with wrong information a good thing?

Can't tell you how many times in the past (mostly during the Bush years) that I had people quoting his words as truth. They would defend his words with passion.
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Grim17 said:
What do you mean setting it up?

I posted Media Matters claim, and I posted the relevant portion of Beck's quote from the Media Matters story.

You either believe he presented her story as fact, or that he didn't... Just look at his words, and decide...
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Isn't timing important on this one?

How much time passed between the Fox report and the woman saying she made it up?

Did she say she made it up only after Fox News reported on it or was that known beforehand?

I think the story was an Acorn employee saying she killed her husband and not that she actually did it.

The story, I think, was to show the kind of people that worked at Acorn and what kind of sick **** do you have to be to say you killed you husband on tape, which she said she knew was being taped and wanted to mess with them.
 
Mason66 said:
Isn't timing important on this one?
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Of course.


How much time passed between the Fox report and the woman saying she made it up?
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It was the next day.


Did she say she made it up only after Fox News reported on it or was that known beforehand?
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It was after Fox News showed the video... She told CNN that she didn't know she was being video taped when it happened.



I think the story was an Acorn employee saying she killed her husband and not that she actually did it.

The story, I think, was to show the kind of people that worked at Acorn and what kind of sick **** do you have to be to say you killed you husband on tape, which she said she knew was being taped and wanted to mess with them
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Without any doubt, that's exactly what it was... The fact that there are people on this forum with such a high level of hatred for Fox, Glenn Beck and/or the political right in general, that they would actually claim that the woman's story was reported as fact when it wasn't, is very dissapointing to say the least... I just don't understand how politics can effect people like that.
 
Grim17 said:
Of course.




It was the next day.




It was after Fox News showed the video... She told CNN that she didn't know she was being video taped when it happened.





Without any doubt, that's exactly what it was... The fact that there are people on this forum with such a high level of hatred for Fox, Glenn Beck and/or the political right in general, that they would actually claim that the woman's story was reported as fact when it wasn't, is very dissapointing to say the least... I just don't understand how politics can effect people like that.
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Umm, Fox did not issue a disclaimer, they just aired the video IOW they showed it as fact just like they did with the other James O'Keefe's videos.
 
pbrauer said:
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Umm, Fox did not issue a disclaimer, they just aired the video IOW they showed it as fact just like they did with the other James O'Keefe's videos.
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Now they needed a disclaimer... LMFAO
 
Grim17 said:
Now they needed a disclaimer... LMFAO
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Beck: "I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder." After airing video of Tresa Kaelke stating that she shot her ex-husband, Beck stated, "This is twisted, bizarre, macabre -- I mean, is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But, gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder. And the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know, so everybody in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder." Beck later added, "[W]e we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody's asking questions." [Glenn Beck, 9/15/09]




Rove: ACORN must have "terrific ... human resources department to hire people like that." Karl Rove stated that Kaelke "admitted to -- or claimed to have killed her husband because she thought he was going to abuse her at some point. So, she's claimed that she shot him in the head. I mean, this is an organization that really must have a terrific human relations -- human resources department to hire people like that." [On the Record, 9/15/09]




Hannity: "he's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." Hannity asked Hannah Giles, the woman who posed as a prostitute, "Have you ever checked to see if in fact she had a husband who was killed?" Giles stated, "We're working on that." Hannity later stated, "So she's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." During a later segment, country music singer John Rich said, "[W]hat kind of screening process are they going through that they let a lady who admits to killing her husband standing right there?" [Hannity, 9/15/09]
 
What exactly do you think they made up?
 
mak2 said:
What exactly do you think they made up?
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In this case, Fox did not claim the story was true. I've read other MM stories that were also stretching the truth (to be polite about). I dont give them much in the way of credibility.

Oh, and I dont watch Fox. Too repetitive and strident for my taste.
 
It was presented as truth, my Mom would have and probably did believe every word, as did millions of Faux believers. It was intended to mislead, and it did. That is indeed a lie. But call it whatever you like. Now, something MM made up.
Moon said:
In this case, Fox did not claim the story was true. I've read other MM stories that were also stretching the truth (to be polite about). I dont give them much in the way of credibility.

Oh, and I dont watch Fox. Too repetitive and strident for my taste.
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mak2 said:
It was presented as truth, my Mom would have and probably did believe every word, as did millions of Faux believers. It was intended to mislead, and it did. That is indeed a lie. But call it whatever you like. Now, something MM made up.
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The woman said she killed her husband in order to mislead.

Reporting that she said that is not misleading, she did say that.
 
A real news agency would have checked out her story just a bit, and I am sure Faux did, it would probably have taken a couple of minutes. But that would have destroy that days Fauxrage. Come on, you know it was presented to fire up the base, just like the rest of the daily outrages.
Mason66 said:
The woman said she killed her husband in order to mislead.

Reporting that she said that is not misleading, she did say that.
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Deuce said:
Technically he did not report it as fact, he was "just asking questions," which is typical of Fox News and Glenn Beck in particular. This way, they aren't technically lying to you, they just get to report lies. The other common method is "People are saying Barack Obama ate a puppy yesterday." Yes, technically some people are saying that. Like the crazy person you just had on your show, Hannity. But if your organization was a legitimate news organization you would have bothered to check and see if Obama had actually eaten a puppy, discovered he hadn't, and then not reported it as news.

Using the same ACORN situation, Fox News' Morning Dip****s show had James O'Keefe on the air soon after the "scandal." O'Keefe was dressed in the pimp outfit you saw in the video on Fox News. One of the idiots on the morning show mentioned he'd worn that in the ACORN office. O'Keefe didn't deny it, but he didn't affirm it either. Technically O'Keefe didn't lie. Now, anyone could have known for a fact that O'Keefe hadn't actually worn that outfit in the ACORN office. This information was out there. The impression from the video tape was false. His excuse was "Oh that was just B-roll stuff!" But Fox n Friends didn't check.

Because nobody on that network is actually a journalist. They are a network devoted to pushing an agenda and will do anything and everything to further that agenda. They'll even actually tell lies, deliberately. They fought a wrongful termination lawsuit regarding that, and their defense was that lying on the news isn't illegal, so firing reporters for refusing to lie isn't wrongful termination covered by whistleblower laws.

So, did Glenn Beck lie? Not technically. But the effect and intention is still to deceive you.
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This is bang on.
 
mak2 said:
A real news agency would have checked out her story just a bit, and I am sure Faux did, it would probably have taken a couple of minutes. But that would have destroy that days Fauxrage. Come on, you know it was presented to fire up the base, just like the rest of the daily outrages.
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Like I said, the story was an Acorn employee saying she killed her husband. That is to show Acorn hires mentally disturbed people.

No normal person is going to brag about shooting her husband in the head.

Fox didn't need to check out her story, the fact that she said that was the story.
 
mak2 said:
It was presented as truth, my Mom would have and probably did believe every word, as did millions of Faux believers. It was intended to mislead, and it did. That is indeed a lie. But call it whatever you like. Now, something MM made up.
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What she said on the video was correctly presented as a fact. The truthfulness of her admission was correctly questioned. There is no lie there, regardless of how much you wish it were so.
 
Of course there isnt. When you pesent something intended to decieve, it is a lie, even on Fox.
Moon said:
What she said on the video was correctly presented as a fact. The truthfulness of her admission was correctly questioned. There is no lie there, regardless of how much you wish it were so.
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Mason66 said:
Like I said, the story was an Acorn employee saying she killed her husband. That is to show Acorn hires mentally disturbed people.

No normal person is going to brag about shooting her husband in the head.

Fox didn't need to check out her story, the fact that she said that was the story.
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What is your opinion of people posing as a pimp and a ho with a story about bringing minors into a life of prostitution?
 
Moon said:
What she said on the video was correctly presented as a fact. The truthfulness of her admission was correctly questioned. There is no lie there, regardless of how much you wish it were so.
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So facts are not important to Fox.
 
Grim17 said:
I don't know about you all, but the answer is obvious to me.

How can it possibly be a case of Beck reporting her story as fact, when he says he doesn't know a) if her husband was killed b) if he is actually dead c) if she even had a husband and d) says he doesn't know if she just made the story up...

It's a slam dunk... It's Media Matters fiction.
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I seem to remember back when Glen Beck was part of Fox News Channel, Beck would have a disclaimer on every episode that went something like this. > "Don't take my word for being fact, do your own research."<

Kind of comparable to Wikipedia's disclaimer.

But Beck did do America a favor back in 2009, he exposed Marxist and other communist with in the Obama administration and Obama was forced to remove them from his administration. But Obama continued his association with these radical leftist.

On the "Discover the Networks" disclaimer they go further pointing out Media Matters.

>" It distinguishes DiscoverTheNetworks from political attack sites posing as databases, like Media Matters, Media Transparency, the Southern Poverty Law Center's "Intelligence Project," and People For the American Way's "Right Wing Watch" -- which make no attempt to correct factual inaccuracies and mischaracterizations on their sites when these are pointed out to them..."<
 
mak2 said:
Of course there isnt. When you pesent something intended to decieve, it is a lie, even on Fox.
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I'm sure then that you'll have no problem proving there was an intent to deceive.
 
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